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legendary
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January 13, 2015, 02:26:12 PM

Am I missing something?  What does Digibyte's private investor in Asia have to do with Cryptsy, or was that not the reason this was brought up?

If the discussion is about looking for a private investor, and not the exchanges, then you need to have something for the investment to go towards.  I think we would need to ask this one question- what would we do with $250k?

If we're brainstorming projects, I would say one way to raise awareness is to target tourism with NLG themed "all-inclusive" packages.  Maybe push for a bread and breakfast or small private hotel to take NLG.  Or even create a home-swap/weekly rental site for people looking to stay in NL and NL provinces with NLG.  Aruba is part of NL, right?  I would pay NLG to stay in Aruba.  I'd even pay to rent a flat in NL for a week.  And if my NLG vacation included more shops and restaurants that accepted NLG, you could create that all-inclusive vacation that I'm talking about.  Taking $250k to partner with the travel and tourism bureau would be a nice move.

Another thing I've been thinking about is that 1 page ad that was discussed.  $250k would go a long way to get some full page or half page advertising for NLG to bring recognition to the coin.  Or one big party... like a launch party.  Young hipsters in one big place at once... food, drinks, live music... and lots of info about NLG all around.

There's lots of ideas I have bouncing around my head.  If I had the time, money and people to work with I could probably come up with some real world solutions.  LTEX is good at this, as proven by the petrol idea.  Maybe we need to all meet together for a NLG conference of sorts and work on this stuff.  I could use break from the US for a bit.

-Fuse
legendary
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January 13, 2015, 01:28:47 PM
what about a invester like digibyte?

What about him?  You have a link?  I'd like to read up on the connection.

-Fuse

Private Investor

http://altcoinpress.com/2014/12/digibyte-dgb-receives-250000-from-private-investor/
legendary
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January 13, 2015, 01:20:07 PM
what about a invester like digibyte?

What about him?  You have a link?  I'd like to read up on the connection.

-Fuse
legendary
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January 13, 2015, 01:08:46 PM
what about a invester like digibyte?
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January 13, 2015, 11:33:06 AM
Personally, I see what you're saying, and I too am a big fan of Cryptsy (it's my #1 exchange), but aside from fandom and opinion, you haven't really justified putting NLG on Cryptsy. You've just outlined why you like something over something else.

Don't take my response personal, I'm not jabbing you, I'm just pointing out fact.

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January 13, 2015, 11:17:38 AM
The APIs that Cryptsy offers not only benefit multipools, but they benefit trading bots as well.  Cryptsy is also pretty well known for the pump and dumps that happen there.  PND groups will randomly pick a coin on there and play god with the price.

I've brought this stuff up every time Cryptsy is mentioned in this thread.  So the negatives have been discussed.  Let's do this differently.

What can Cryptsy do for NLG that the other exchanges that currently trade NLG can't do?

-Fuse

Volume.
and a spare exchange with volume when Bittrex runs out.  Just like today bittrex went offline for couple of hours.

and for me personall, i really hate bittrex.

lol... I really hate Cryptsy.  I've found Bittrex to be a much better experience overall.

But we have spare exchanges:

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I can understand the volume concern, but getting accepted at Cryptsy isn't going to increase volume, it's going spread the volume thinner between Bittrex and Cryptsy.

IMO, trading is in a lull right now.  It has been for a while.  When NLG was trading at a higher price, the volume wasn't an issue.  When CM is off the chain, and the market isn't 70% insta-selling, we'll see a more true market for NLG on Bittrex.

-Fuse

Yeah maybe it´s something personal but i find bittrex is slow in placing orders and that kind of stuf. + The support of cryptsy is really good in my experience!Also with updating wallets for hardforks etc.  I have been contacting every exchange for digibyte and cryptsy had a great support with all of the updates.


First,i dont trust cryptorush anymore but thats something else.
i know there are more exchanges but cryptsy haves high volume traders.It's trusted just like bittrex. 
On every exchanges there are pumps and dumps, Botted or not it happens on all places.  But i really do understand that cryptsy opens things for the "bad traders".But when the coin (algo etc.) is good it will get more positive exposure. 
I know its not a good time for now to add it on cryptsy because of the blockchain problems but when thats solved it is good.
And getting some votes now already will place NLG higher in the ranking list so that means less votes to go to the top when Digishield is working the right way.



100% agree! No doubt about that


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January 13, 2015, 11:04:17 AM
I echo Fuse's comments. Cryptsy, or another large/well-known exchange, wouldn't bring NLG true volume, it would bring more instant-awareness to a lot of the trading/mining-pool platforms out there. From there, you'd have an increase in nethash from people looking to get something from the coin. It would be a bubble/hype-inflation of volume, not real-user volume, and as such would eventually crash, and the cycle would repeat.

At the moment, presume that whatever percent of hashrate CM owns, is also the percent of trade volume occurring. A part of that may be genuine NLG users, and another part will be folks just mining to make money. Say 50/50. This means that the real NLG volume is lower than what you see even on Bittrex. We don't need to spread volume among the exchanges any lower, we just need to keep making infrastructure and security improvements to ensure that large hashrate doesn't stall the coin. Hashrate is good, even if it's from a multipool--but pumping and burning the coin isn't. Let them hash with us, but don't encourage the exchange burn.

Remember, after BTC/LTC/FTC, altcoins popped up essentially because people were upset they missed the initial inflation boat which brought many people into riches, so they tried to make their own, and lots of people just pump/dump. Let's not let NLG get caught up in that.
legendary
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January 13, 2015, 10:56:27 AM
The APIs that Cryptsy offers not only benefit multipools, but they benefit trading bots as well.  Cryptsy is also pretty well known for the pump and dumps that happen there.  PND groups will randomly pick a coin on there and play god with the price.

I've brought this stuff up every time Cryptsy is mentioned in this thread.  So the negatives have been discussed.  Let's do this differently.

What can Cryptsy do for NLG that the other exchanges that currently trade NLG can't do?

-Fuse

Volume.
and a spare exchange with volume when Bittrex runs out.  Just like today bittrex went offline for couple of hours.

and for me personall, i really hate bittrex.

lol... I really hate Cryptsy.  I've found Bittrex to be a much better experience overall.

But we have spare exchanges:


I can understand the volume concern, but getting accepted at Cryptsy isn't going to increase volume, it's going spread the volume thinner between Bittrex and Cryptsy.

IMO, trading is in a lull right now.  It has been for a while.  When NLG was trading at a higher price, the volume wasn't an issue.  When CM is off the chain, and the market isn't 70% insta-selling, we'll see a more true market for NLG on Bittrex.

-Fuse
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January 13, 2015, 10:26:43 AM
The APIs that Cryptsy offers not only benefit multipools, but they benefit trading bots as well.  Cryptsy is also pretty well known for the pump and dumps that happen there.  PND groups will randomly pick a coin on there and play god with the price.

I've brought this stuff up every time Cryptsy is mentioned in this thread.  So the negatives have been discussed.  Let's do this differently.

What can Cryptsy do for NLG that the other exchanges that currently trade NLG can't do?

-Fuse

Volume.
and a spare exchange with volume when Bittrex runs out.  Just like today bittrex went offline for couple of hours.

and for me personall, i really hate bittrex.
legendary
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January 13, 2015, 10:20:01 AM
The APIs that Cryptsy offers not only benefit multipools, but they benefit trading bots as well.  Cryptsy is also pretty well known for the pump and dumps that happen there.  PND groups will randomly pick a coin on there and play god with the price.

I've brought this stuff up every time Cryptsy is mentioned in this thread.  So the negatives have been discussed.  Let's do this differently.

What can Cryptsy do for NLG that the other exchanges that currently trade NLG can't do?

-Fuse
legendary
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January 13, 2015, 10:13:09 AM

Vote for NLG on crytpsy,

https://www.cryptsy.com/coinvotes

Please don't.  We've gone over why this is not a good idea at the moment.

Maybe when the DIGI code is live, and we've evaluated it's effectiveness, but not right now, please.

-Fuse

I  ask, why push for a big exchange such as Cryptsy? Get more infrastructure and low-level person-to-person, person-to-market use in place first. Cryptsy access, right now, would just encourage pools to mine and burn.

Listen to the Hero Members folks! They are right!
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January 13, 2015, 10:09:22 AM
If the iphone wallet is added to the app-store it will be much easier to get people into the Guldencoin because allot of people here in the Netherlands have iphones. The only thing that we miss here in Utrecht is stores to pay with Guldencoins, i think it is time to go talk with the Subway here.
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January 13, 2015, 09:54:30 AM
I  ask, why push for a big exchange such as Cryptsy? Get more infrastructure and low-level person-to-person, person-to-market use in place first. Cryptsy access, right now, would just encourage pools to mine and burn.
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January 13, 2015, 09:37:39 AM
Vote for NLG on crytpsy,

https://www.cryptsy.com/coinvotes

Please don't.  We've gone over why this is not a good idea at the moment.

Maybe when the DIGI code is live, and we've evaluated it's effectiveness, but not right now, please.

-Fuse

Well you gonna need allot of votes to get on top.
Getting higher in the voting list will get a little more attention. After the hardfork you can start a "voting campaign".
Get votes or others will and then it will be harder to get on top.
legendary
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January 13, 2015, 09:14:07 AM
Vote for NLG on crytpsy,

https://www.cryptsy.com/coinvotes

Please don't.  We've gone over why this is not a good idea at the moment.

Maybe when the DIGI code is live, and we've evaluated it's effectiveness, but not right now, please.

-Fuse
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January 13, 2015, 08:18:56 AM
Vote for NLG on crytpsy,

https://www.cryptsy.com/coinvotes
newbie
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January 13, 2015, 06:03:07 AM
When promoting, the main problem often is people have a hard time giving an explanation as to why others should buy crypto money.

Basically, when people try to explain it goes like this: "uhm.. well, more users/merchants = more value, so we'll make money!"  Smiley

People outside crypto basically only hear: "become part of our great ponzi and become rich!" and they think, I won't buy into that shit.

Crypto members often feel offended but in a way those outsiders are right.

Lets ask ourselves: why would the average Joe really want to buy into Guldencoin? Lets summarize:

Buying goods. Ok.. but why would people prefer to buy with Bitcoin/Guldencoin instead of fiat? Lets face the facts. Bitcoin went down like 50% last year. Why would people sell their euros for something like that? Their purchasing power would decrease, right?

What would be the intrinsic value of Gulden[Suspicious link removed]d question. One could argue the cryptograpic network, when alright distributed, has some value. So we have our first point: a network can be assigned value if it is distributed well and is therefore hard to attack. Like when we could say: "we are saver than Mastercard!", that would be someting  Smiley

I would like to hear 24kilo's opinion on this, how far we really are on that security aspect and how to improve. BioMike's mining idea might also help in this regards.

Another point we might be able to leverage; the ease of use. For users like us, it's fairly easy to spend our coins, with the mobile wallet for example. But here we also got our first problem: immediate use is impossible due to the requirement first having to download (part) of the blockchain. We might need a more 'light' solution for that. Ok, now assume this problem would be solved and people would only need to start the wallet to spend coins. Would it be easier than iPay, Mastercard, PIN etc.? Can we leverage on this?

What I would like is an option to buy coins in the mobile wallet using Apple/Google credit. This would be perfect. If this option would be impossible in such a wallet, we might consider a web wallet..? I know, we probably won't be able to realize this right now, I'm just trying to summarize what we have and/or might need to convince new users.

I could continue with this analysis but I think there's one thing that's really important to understand. For any (ad-)campaign we do, we should try to come up with a real life example where Guldencoin is really better than fiat/gift card or anything else. Like for example, in the weekends, banks are closed, can we leverage this? Or the fact it's more anonymous than fiat, easier in use than Paysafecard? Or the fact you wouldn't need to take your "fiat" wallet with you to college/work because you only want to buy some food at Subway during your break? The fact you can send 'value' back to someone, without delay, when you're out with friends and someone has paid all the drinks?

I think we need a campaign that makes people aware special things can be accomplished with Guldencoin/crypto that weren't possible before, and that "crypto" actually might be "the next big thing!" Wink

Last thing, to the members who feel lost sometimes when debating Guldencoin with outside people, I might have some recommendations: when in a conversation and you don't have the right answer ready, don't feel attacked. When you do, you risk the possibility people think you're persuading them for personal gains. Never say: "never mind, wait till next year" or "you just don't understand". People will, I don't exactly know why, link this to what they know about "scammers". Like: "see; you're trying to sell me bullshit!". Try to find a good answer, and if you can't find it, tell them you will get back to them and compliment them with their "very smart/intelligent question". It can be easy as that Smiley

Icebear

this is what I am talking about, when I said the website doesn't attract new people. Like Icebear said why should the average Joe really want to buy Guldencoin?..  Like the reason for me to get into Gulden coin is..first and foremost...I know it's the future. Everything has changed in the 20st century and we are now in 21st century, so there will be more changes. This is one of the things I think will make big.  Second it isn't centralized...you can now say there are also other alt coins who offer the same options..and the reason for a country coin as Gulden coin to make big is (The community ROCKS!!!)...The Netherlands isn't that big of a country. It should be easy to make everyone know about Gulden coin and make it succesful.

btw usually when you see enthusiastic people others get enthusiastic aswell. Maybe the website should put videos or comments of people who uses Gulden coin? why they use it? Why they want people to use it? etc. the average Joe might get enthusiastic and show interest xD
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January 13, 2015, 04:28:27 AM
At these Bitcoin prices I think Clevermining is mining at a loss? If so, why they don't change to other alts?
Keeps me wondering atm
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