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Oh FFS. It's their coin. If you start a coin you can do whatever the fuck you like with it. I don't go down to my bank and start chucking chairs about if I don't like the way they do things. I MOVE TO ANOTHER BANK.

I've been in this coin from the beginning and there's only one thing that has made me question my position and that is the actions of you and your 'supporters' during the recent 1680 sell wall debacle. I wonder how many potential investors swerved it when they saw you throwing your toys out of the pram.

All of this because the dev team won't listen to you. Awww diddums. I bet you were one of those kids that got a prize everytime you played weren't you.

Nonsense, users can post wherever they want, therefore it is impossible to dictate what forum users choose to use.

If the community - Which part by the way? You keep talking as if the community is one mass but in reality any community consists of multiple different groups of people who all want, feel and think different things.
You seem to for some reason think that you speak for everyone and I don't understand where you get that idea from, you speak for (from what I can tell) a very small group of people, or do you get input from every last community member before you make statements? It certainly doesn't seem that way...  - wants a forum then there is absolutely nothing stopping them from building one, the devs have certainly put up no roadblocks in that respect.
The gulden.zone forum was mentioned on all official pages (even our Github) alongside the existing forums, I even answered questions there on occasion when it was requested of me. What more support could you possibly want, do you mean we must actually do all the work for you? What is stopping you from advertising your own forum - there are many places including here where you could do such a thing, we have no monopoly on this either.

In fact if there were an overwhelming demand for this forum it would have been built already, it is *not* hard to launch a new forum, it can be done with very little skill with less than a few hours work, the fact that it has not been done shows that:
1) There is not as much demand for it as is being claimed
2) The people who are pissing and crying about it are more interested in making a big fuss (political agenda) about the dev team and using this situation to try stir things up then they are in actually having a forum. - And this is the part that really grinds me, what utter short sightedness to constantly drag the coins name into the dirt through public crying like this over something as petty and silly as a forum, when you are free to make your own.


It is really really sad that a very small group of people are still crying about a forum change months later and taking every opportunity to bring it up over and over again, causing damage to the very coin they claim to support, instead of just getting over it like grown adults and moving on whether that be by making their own forum or finding something else to do with their time.


Actually at the time a vote was taken and the vast majority of the vote was in favour of keeping the new forums, after this vote some who *still* disagreed made a new forum, which the dev team had no problem with, after all we already have two BTC, community, a third is no problem.
Please stop trying to revise history.

Anyone can setup a forum around Gulden, should they wish so.

Yet it cannot be expected from the devteam, to have them involved in every fora regarding Gulden with "official" questions.
Those kinda questions, which would require a devteam involvement or direct answer, could be asked here, or on the official forum. Should those kind of questions be asked NOT here or NOT on the official forum, those questions should be re-directed towards; it is kinda illogical, to expect other way around...  

Can you explain to us here on BTCtalk as we missed what happened with the backstabbing on the other forums.

When I make a mistake I usually say sorry and try to correct whatever I have done wrong. In this case the respons was slightly different (STFU and accept our way bitches) resulting in this ongoing discussion. DeVries didn't close his .zone forum because he wants to let down this community, he did so because he realized he could never do any good with it because he got backstabbed by Rijk time and time again. I want to build (or a facilitate it it least) a new forum, but not if it gets ignored and bypassed by the devteam the same way the .zone forum has.

1. Biomike and Criptoe are with you on AUR team? This tells me they agree with you and will side with you whatever you say. It is just human nature as you have close relationship.

2. The community can serve the majority of the community. I do agree the switch over to new forum without consultation wasn't very smart and premature. Have they done this again since? They also human and will make mistakes and that was a mistake sure but to keep on and on about the same shit is getting old.
Stop complaining and build a new forum.

I truly don't know where you always get the impression I'm controlling anything or have sock puppets working for me. FYI, I'm the only one here that is member of Criptoe, no other active member here as far as I know. And BioMike is a big boy, that can perfectly speak for himself. As far as I'm concerned I'm one of the community members of Gulden, just as you are. I might be a bit more concerned with things than others, but that doesn't mean I'm trying to dictate things.


Now this is something I fully agree on. This is also the reason why this discussion keeps coming back again and again. Why? Because it's not us, the community members who get to decide what forum is going to be used, that is being dictated by the ones in control of the media, being the Dev's. They refuse to cooperate in building a community forum the community (by large majority) asks for. They singlesidedly changed "our" forum overnight into something very technical, without any consultation whatsoever. A vast majority complained about that and kept asking to go back to the old one. Up to this moment, Rijk refuses to even discuss that.

So explain to me how the dev team is here only to serve the majority of the community, while they even refuse to let that community use their main means of existence the way they ask for?

For the record, I'm more than happy to accommodate in any way a new community build forum that is run by the community itself. I can provide servers, licenses, cash, time and knowledge. All the dev team has to do is say they will acknowledge that forum and link forum.gulden.com to it...

Well, you could PM the moderator or the owner of Bitcointalk, to adjust your posting rights. You have a valid case, so chances are they will adjust it... 

LTEX I know Biomike and criptoe are your sock puppets and the team will have there sock puppets supporting them. You do the thinking for biomike and criptoe and team does thinking for it's supporters. Not everyone can have their needs met.

I have an idea for the team, shutdown the official forum and let a person in the community build one. 99% of the other coins have forums setup by community then it doesn't become your issue and everyone is content. Like others have said it's a waste of time for the team to be focussing on something as trivial as a forum.

I couldn't agree more! This goes for all of us, including the Dev-team. However, they seem to be the only ones really dictating things and get away with it all the time!

I can only speak on my own behalf, but I have never dictated anything to anyone. I simply have tried over and over again (and will keep doing that) to get open and transparant discussions on serious matters I think need attention. Those discussions always end in direct ignoring of the dev-team and a bunch of sock puppets accusing me I'm trying to undermine things, when all I do is raise funded questions.

Meanwhile the Dev team goes on doing exactly as they please without any serious consult or decent discussion with a majority of this community. Now who is really dictating here?

All this pissing and whinging about a forum and disagreements between the 'groups' is fucking embarrassing.

Just because you own a large amount of coins it doesn't give you the right to dictate to anyone which direction the coin should take. Just because you may have done a lot for the coin of your own accord, it doesn't give you the right to dictate to anyone which direction the coin should take. Just because you think you know better than the devs (and you might do - who knows), well guess what. It doesn't give you the right to dictate to anyone which direction the coin should take.

If you don't like the way things are going with Gulden it's very simple. Sell your fucking coins and fuck off. Jesus.

Yeah you are right, it's just too bad that I can't post pictures from this account yet.

I do agree gulden.zone was much busier and I think people are not advanced enough or used to using the new official forum. Instead of Frais carrying on with gulden.zone he punishes the whole community that was using it and I can't even PM to ask if he wants to sell his coins to me if he has any left. Are these people 12 years old?

On the official forum if the team see it's not attracting as many users then it's not unreasonable to go to a old school forum format like simple machines that people are more comfortable with. You guys are obviously ahead of your time because of the work you doing but it doesn't equate to the rest of the people being as advanced as you are.

Don't forget to post anything (related to) official under your new nickname, guldencoin... 

 it isn't even a group.. They are all individual people who have interest in NLG. It's not a small part group of people that don't like how things are going. Had multiple PM's about it. Most people would want gulden.zone come back. I believe that the way some things are going is really stupid and also really unheard of. Look at activity on the forum. Dont give me that bullshit, we are on slack. Talk over there.

No people want an open and transparent forum where they can look back at things. Frais offered to make one forum of both that does work for everyone. So all people would be happy. Now he got denied again like many times before and that even started before you were here.

How come the same people get denied over and over again. I believe it's a personal matter. Maybe even pride.

https://github.com/Gulden/gulden-dev/pull/48
https://github.com/Gulden/gulden-dev/pull/49
https://github.com/Gulden/gulden-dev/pull/46
https://github.com/Gulden/gulden-dev/pull/45

The dev team has  and will continue to accept all valid positive contributions from anyone regardless of their affiliations, motives or how many coins they hold. This does not mean that we always have to agree with everyone, it is impossible to please 100% of the people 100% of the time, and if there is a small group that feels slighted that a few decisions didn't please them there is nothing we can do about that, we continue to serve the *majority* of users not a small group of people *regardless of how many coins this small group may hold*


"To avoid criticism say nothing, do nothing, be nothing."

Define: 'some others' please.
Also, aren't those guys al member of this group called cameltoe or something? Forgot the name, but i'm not really into all those groups.

I made a new account to back on Frais.

He stated that he wanted one forum for the whole community, instead of two. He, me and some other people tried talking to Rijk about this, but the devteam didn't want anything to do with it. If you ask me and if the devteam really cared about Frais his specialty (like some others who moved to the background) than they would have taken his offer to make one better forum than what community.gulden.com is so that there would be one place where people could have an open and clear chat with the community.

Frais is specialized in advertising, making him a really good asset to the community. Only thing he got, was denied. But the real question is why? Since gulden.zone is down a lot of the community got more or less on the background. I will state some names which are real assets to Gulden, but get constantly denied. For what?? Frais, LTEX, Biomike and some others. If you think it through it is kinda retarted that the dev-team didn't gave any trust in these people. Is it because they are loaded with Gulden? Or any other reason.

We have two camps here, which is so obvious. If they just gave some trust in these people, you'll see that things will even go bigger, greater. Not for themselves, but because they believe in Gulden.

@bluestreet I even offered to take over the forum, but that will not solve the problem. Gulden should have one community forum which is good accessible for everyone. Young and old and not so high tech looking than the forum there is now.

Last thing I've said about this. I'll be sitting on my shitload of Guldens for a while and see how it turns out.

That is a good perspective bluestreet. At the team if you get burnt out like Frais please ask for help and I will try help along with my brother who has also been buying coins.

This is why we very fortunate to have a team that appears committed to the end. Community projects fall apart at times, I have seen this with digibyte too. At least Frais made the effort and gave the Dutch community another place to have chats but if I were to guess his life outside of crypto started to get too busy and found it difficult to maintain his forums.

It's a pity no one offered to take over Frais forums for the Dutch communities sake.