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Quote from: BioMike on October 10, 2015, 03:25:01 PM

Well, you were too late for that action. The IPO was started already and filling op quick. Next time better i guess... for now more than enough said. All positive vibes to Gulden again, pls Cool

Yeah... an IPO below market price... sure that fills up quickly.

BioMike, you are a complete ass. Dont you read? The IPO started at a time the price was around 500 sats en was filled way before the explosion to almost 1500.

And what is your point anyway in bringing this up? Its always and ALWAYS only you and LTEX that incite people inside the community. Just stop the FUD!

The IPO was completed before the price increase (did the maths at 520 sat, where an offer of 500 sat was made). When I funded a large part of the iOS wallet development costs the price was much higher than the market price.

My point is that I want the time, money and effort invested in NLG is respected. Questioning decisions is part of that from my side, you have only been nagging me about price not going to the moon. We are just critical and not someone who always says yes.

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Quote from: leipebarry on October 10, 2015, 03:38:15 PM

Quote from: LTEX on October 10, 2015, 03:35:20 PM

Quote from: BioMike on October 10, 2015, 03:25:01 PM

Quote from: LTEX on October 10, 2015, 03:37:30 PM

Well, you were too late for that action. The IPO was started already and filling op quick. Next time better i guess... for now more than enough said. All positive vibes to Gulden again, pls Cool

Yeah... an IPO below market price... sure that fills up quickly.

BioMike, you are a complete ass. Dont you read? The IPO started at a time the price was around 500 sats en was filled way before the explosion to almost 1500.

And what is your point anyway in bringing this up? Its always and ALWAYS only you and LTEX that incite people inside the community. Just stop the FUD!

Come on Jero, maybe you should watch the movie TimeMachine first. Maybe then you can decide wether you want to be an Eloy or a Morloch...

Better agree with LTEX!
Because if you do not agree with him you are dumb and he will put a big wall on 1680sat.
That is the LTEX way of doing things right?

About the GULDEX, everybody now knows it is a pump hype and fail.
Sorry mate better luck next time Shocked

Keep going and I'll make sure you are grounded for one month Wink

Oehw that sounds like a threat, keep it going.

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Quote from: leipebarry on October 10, 2015, 03:33:22 PM

Quote from: LTEX on October 10, 2015, 03:35:20 PM

LTEX raised up a good point, shouldn't we be more carefull with the ways in which the premine is spent and perhaps wait till the market cap has increased significantly? I mean the premine is the fuel that drives this project to new heights right? Huh

I mean for 1 million premine you get 1k euros which you can use to materialize nice things, however if that same 1 million premine is worth 400k euro's it's much better, you can do public advertisements, hire that BBW blonde from the PLUS supermarket to do a commercial and lots of other cool stuff. My concern is that the devs are thinking too small whereas they should start thinking big and anticipate on the future more.

Why should the devteam do that?
We have the 1680club right?
They will put their money where their mouth is!
They can do marketing right?
LTEX is specialized in marketing right?
You guys see the bigger picture so act on it!
Does the devteam needs to give you a kiss on the forehead before you actually do the things you are talking about?

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No, they just need to stop deciding single-handedly on everything and at least honor serious questions by serious members with an answer (decent or not)!

No they should at least talk it over with the LTEX and if the LTEX says it is oke they are allowed to proceed right?
They better listen or else they get a 1680sat wall because that is the way LTEX debates.
LTEX you have lost all credibility!

BioMike keep it up being the underling of LTEX, how's life under the table? Grin

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@MaNI, so if you consider yourself as part of the whole team. What's your opinion about the community members that feel like they are ignored and held back by the dev team? How do you as a team plan to improve that? The discussion about IPO for the iOS app is just one example, the problem is (and long time has been) bigger than that.

And don't use the open source of the wallet as an excuse for guarantee that everything will be fine, you should know better that that is a false excuse.

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Quote from: BioMike on October 10, 2015, 03:25:01 PM

Quote from: leipebarry on October 10, 2015, 03:33:22 PM

Well, you were too late for that action. The IPO was started already and filling op quick. Next time better i guess... for now more than enough said. All positive vibes to Gulden again, pls Cool

Yeah... an IPO below market price... sure that fills up quickly.

BioMike, you are a complete ass. Dont you read? The IPO started at a time the price was around 500 sats en was filled way before the explosion to almost 1500.

And what is your point anyway in bringing this up? Its always and ALWAYS only you and LTEX that incite people inside the community. Just stop the FUD!

Come on Jero, maybe you should watch the movie TimeMachine first. Maybe then you can decide wether you want to be an Eloy or a Morloch...

Better agree with LTEX!
Because if you do not agree with him you are dumb and he will put a big wall on 1680sat.
That is the LTEX way of doing things right?

About the GULDEX, everybody now knows it is a pump hype and fail.
Sorry mate better luck next time Shocked

LTEX

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ltex.nl

LTEX raised up a good point, shouldn't we be more carefull with the ways in which the premine is spent and perhaps wait till the market cap has increased significantly? I mean the premine is the fuel that drives this project to new heights right? Huh

I mean for 1 million premine you get 1k euros which you can use to materialize nice things, however if that same 1 million premine is worth 400k euro's it's much better, you can do public advertisements, hire that BBW blonde from the PLUS supermarket to do a commercial and lots of other cool stuff. My concern is that the devs are thinking too small whereas they should start thinking big and anticipate on the future more.

Why should the devteam do that?
We have the 1680club right?
They will put their money where their mouth is!
They can do marketing right?
LTEX is specialized in marketing right?
You guys see the bigger picture so act on it!
Does the devteam needs to give you a kiss on the forehead before you actually do the things you are talking about?

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No, they just need to stop deciding single-handedly on everything and at least honor serious questions by serious members with an answer (decent or not)!

LTEX

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Quote from: BioMike on October 10, 2015, 03:25:01 PM

Quote from: MaNI on October 10, 2015, 03:19:17 PM

Well, you were too late for that action. The IPO was started already and filling op quick. Next time better i guess... for now more than enough said. All positive vibes to Gulden again, pls Cool

Yeah... an IPO below market price... sure that fills up quickly.

BioMike, you are a complete ass. Dont you read? The IPO started at a time the price was around 500 sats en was filled way before the explosion to almost 1500.

And what is your point anyway in bringing this up? Its always and ALWAYS only you and LTEX that incite people inside the community. Just stop the FUD!

Come on Jero, maybe you should watch the movie TimeMachine first. Maybe then you can decide wether you want to be an Eloy or a Morloch...

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Quote from: Meije on October 10, 2015, 03:03:16 PM

Quote from: MaNI on October 10, 2015, 02:17:38 PM

Quote from: LTEX on October 10, 2015, 02:07:45 PM

to become owner of one of Guldens most valuable assets, being the IOS wallet and other IOS apps.

Sorry I've tried to not get involved in this but I can't sit back and watch such misinformation being wilfully spread.
They will not be the owner of the app (which is any way open source), just the distributor, and more than that most likely the *temporary* distributor, something which they are doing as a favour for us the dev team because we asked them and because this is the best tactic to solve our current app store problemand what has worked for other coins.
Repeating a lie often enough does *not* make it true, it is quite clear to me that you are trying to make an issue here where there is none.

Please do not get involved in this MaNi, you are doing a fantastic job. This frustration began long before you got into the dev team and many people left because of it. I know the language is sometimes not appropriate but sometimes there is no other way for people to listen than to bang them on the head.

Unfortunately people leave me very little choice but to become involved (and believe me I have many other things I would much rather be doing) when they make broad sweeping statements about the dev team.
We are very much a *team* and not separate individuals. While I may primarily be in the dev team for my coding skills I am consulted on and we discuss almost everything, this latest decision of how to go forward on the Apple situation, for example I was very much involved in.

While this animosity may have started before I joined, I am part of the team now and an attack (and I use the word attack because really that is what this is) on the 'dev team' is very much an attack on me it is that simple. So perhaps people should contemplate this sort of stuff in more depth and consider exactly who they are insulting when they make insults or insinuations about the dev team.
When that attack contains complete misinformation and lies I am left no choice but to defend myself and the team as a whole.

I actually never used the word 'dev team' because we do not know anything how things are decided behind the curtains so it might well have been that you didn't know anything about this. It is indeed an attack but a attack with founded argument( at least on my side) that such a decision is not the devs team to make but everyone's decision, the Bitcoin devs got in trouble lately with similar issues. There should have been a democratic voting with such a big decision and not just a dev team decision, bypassing the entire community is just not appropriate, although i do partially agree with the outcome of the decision.
Anyway, it's done now so no going back, i just hope that next time we will have a voice in similar matters, just forum talk won't cut it, we need official voting for such big decisions.

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Quote from: BioMike on October 10, 2015, 03:25:01 PM

LTEX raised up a good point, shouldn't we be more carefull with the ways in which the premine is spent and perhaps wait till the market cap has increased significantly? I mean the premine is the fuel that drives this project to new heights right? Huh

I mean for 1 million premine you get 1k euros which you can use to materialize nice things, however if that same 1 million premine is worth 400k euro's it's much better, you can do public advertisements, hire that BBW blonde from the PLUS supermarket to do a commercial and lots of other cool stuff. My concern is that the devs are thinking too small whereas they should start thinking big and anticipate on the future more.

Why should the devteam do that?
We have the 1680club right?
They will put their money where their mouth is!
They can do marketing right?
LTEX is specialized in marketing right?
You guys see the bigger picture so act on it!
Does the devteam needs to give you a kiss on the forehead before you actually do the things you are talking about?

LTEX

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Quote from: BioMike on October 10, 2015, 03:25:01 PM

Well, you were too late for that action. The IPO was started already and filling op quick. Next time better i guess... for now more than enough said. All positive vibes to Gulden again, pls Cool

Yeah... an IPO below market price... sure that fills up quickly.

I was not too late, actually I was the first to offer 1BTC if only we could discuss creating a foundation in stead of funding a privately owned limited!:

https://community.gulden.com/t/help-us-get-nocks-and-gulden-on-the-app-store/1285/9?u=ltex

But that's the whole reason this discussion exists isn't it? The way this works is simple:

-We decided to do this and need cash
-Everyone who backs this gets cheap NLG for their support
-Dont ask questions, we don't like that, just put up the cash and STFU!
-If you do have questions, don't share them with us, we will ignore you, shut you out and try to blame you for any damage that comes from our dictatorial behavior...

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Well, you were too late for that action. The IPO was started already and filling op quick. Next time better i guess... for now more than enough said. All positive vibes to Gulden again, pls Cool

Yeah... an IPO below market price... sure that fills up quickly.

BioMike, you are a complete ass. Dont you read? The IPO started at a time the price was around 500 sats en was filled way before the explosion to almost 1500.

And what is your point anyway in bringing this up? Its always and ALWAYS only you and LTEX that incite people inside the community. Just stop the FUD!

BioMike

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Quote from: Meije on October 10, 2015, 03:03:16 PM

Well, you were too late for that action. The IPO was started already and filling op quick. Next time better i guess... for now more than enough said. All positive vibes to Gulden again, pls Cool

Yeah... an IPO below market price... sure that fills up quickly.

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Quote from: MaNI on October 10, 2015, 02:17:38 PM

Quote from: LTEX on October 10, 2015, 02:07:45 PM

to become owner of one of Guldens most valuable assets, being the IOS wallet and other IOS apps.

Sorry I've tried to not get involved in this but I can't sit back and watch such misinformation being wilfully spread.
They will not be the owner of the app (which is any way open source), just the distributor, and more than that most likely the *temporary* distributor, something which they are doing as a favour for us the dev team because we asked them and because this is the best tactic to solve our current app store problemand what has worked for other coins.
Repeating a lie often enough does *not* make it true, it is quite clear to me that you are trying to make an issue here where there is none.

Please do not get involved in this MaNi, you are doing a fantastic job. This frustration began long before you got into the dev team and many people left because of it. I know the language is sometimes not appropriate but sometimes there is no other way for people to listen than to bang them on the head.

Unfortunately people leave me very little choice but to become involved (and believe me I have many other things I would much rather be doing) when they make broad sweeping statements about the dev team.
We are very much a *team* and not separate individuals. While I may primarily be in the dev team for my coding skills I am consulted on and we discuss almost everything, this latest decision of how to go forward on the Apple situation, for example I was very much involved in.

While this animosity may have started before I joined, I am part of the team now and an attack (and I use the word attack because really that is what this is) on the 'dev team' is very much an attack on me it is that simple. So perhaps people should contemplate this sort of stuff in more depth and consider exactly who they are insulting when they make insults or insinuations about the dev team.
When that attack contains complete misinformation and lies I am left no choice but to defend myself and the team as a whole.

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Quote from: LTEX on October 10, 2015, 03:00:28 PM

Quote from: veertje on October 10, 2015, 02:54:17 PM

So now positive again please Grin

I think the dev team is doing a great job and LTEX can support as well and did very good things for Gulden. Trust is needed here first on both sides. Can take a while after this maybe. Maybe talk face to face in a meeting and join forces. All want the best for Gulden, so old cows have to get burried here for trust between both parties, i think.

I want nothing else (or less) than a positive and trustful cooperation with anyone here, especially the dev team. They are absolutely doing an awesome job, but that makes it the more sad that I lost trust in the way they chose to dictate things here without any room for serious debate!

Let it sink for a few days. I think you reased some good questions and discussion is there now. For the funding it was ok to do so, is my oppinion, else it wasn't supported. Don't be too negative on it, i think. Wink

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The Gulden team reminds me of how Donald Trump is going about his presidential campaign.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/251753-trump-i-dont-want-lobbyists-special-interests

The only problem for the team is they don't have the money Mr Trump has but the way they are raising funds doesn't leave them having to answer to anyone and they can do what they think is best for the currency.

I am not saying LTEX would have them by the balls if he donates large sums of money and expects favours in return in the future.

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Quote from: Meije on October 10, 2015, 03:06:46 PM

Talking about positivity, who hasn't voted yet Grin

? https://funding.gulden.com/sponsoren-van-de-drone-racing-kampioenschappen-in-de-jaarbeurs2016/

I did @Meije

Really good advertising for Gulden this is!

And you also combined your hobby/interest with Gulden. Wish more people can do that, awesome!

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