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legendary
Activity: 1658
Merit: 1001
October 10, 2015, 03:53:36 PM
Well, you were too late for that action. The IPO was started already and filling op quick. Next time better i guess... for now more than enough said. All positive vibes to Gulden again, pls  Cool

Yeah... an IPO below market price... sure that fills up quickly.

BioMike, you are a complete ass. Dont you read? The IPO started at a time the price was around 500 sats en was filled way before the explosion to almost 1500.

And what is your point anyway in bringing this up? Its always and ALWAYS only you and LTEX that incite people inside the community. Just stop the FUD!

The IPO was completed before the price increase (did the maths at 520 sat, where an offer of 500 sat was made). When I funded a large part of the iOS wallet development costs the price was much higher than the market price.

My point is that I want the time, money and effort invested in NLG is respected. Questioning decisions is part of that from my side, you have only been nagging me about price not going to the moon. We are just critical and not someone who always says yes.
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
October 10, 2015, 03:48:51 PM
Well, you were too late for that action. The IPO was started already and filling op quick. Next time better i guess... for now more than enough said. All positive vibes to Gulden again, pls  Cool

Yeah... an IPO below market price... sure that fills up quickly.

BioMike, you are a complete ass. Dont you read? The IPO started at a time the price was around 500 sats en was filled way before the explosion to almost 1500.

And what is your point anyway in bringing this up? Its always and ALWAYS only you and LTEX that incite people inside the community. Just stop the FUD!

Come on Jero, maybe you should watch the movie TimeMachine first. Maybe then you can decide wether you want to be an Eloy or a Morloch...

Better agree with LTEX!
Because if you do not agree with him you are dumb and he will put a big wall on 1680sat.
That is the LTEX way of doing things right?

About the GULDEX, everybody now knows it is a pump hype and fail.
Sorry mate better luck next time  Shocked

Keep going and I'll make sure you are grounded for one month  Wink Cheesy


Oehw that sounds like a threat, keep it going.
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
October 10, 2015, 03:42:05 PM
LTEX raised up a good point, shouldn't we be more carefull with the ways in which the premine is spent and perhaps wait till the market cap has increased significantly? I mean the premine is the fuel that drives this project to new heights right?  Huh I mean for 1 million premine you get 1k euros which you can use to materialize nice things, however if that same 1 million premine is worth 400k euro's it's much better, you can do public advertisements, hire that BBW blonde from the PLUS supermarket to do a commercial and lots of other cool stuff. My concern is that the devs are thinking too small whereas they should start thinking big and anticipate on the future more.

Why should the devteam do that?
We have the 1680club right?
They will put their money where their mouth is!
They can do marketing right?
LTEX is specialized in marketing right?
You guys see the bigger picture so act on it!
Does the devteam needs to give you a kiss on the forehead before you actually do the things you are talking about?
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No, they just need to stop deciding single-handedly on everything and at least honor serious questions by serious members with an answer (decent or not)!

No they should at least talk it over with the LTEX and if the LTEX says it is oke they are allowed to proceed right?
They better listen or else they get a 1680sat wall because that is the way LTEX debates.
LTEX you have lost all credibility!

BioMike keep it up being the underling of LTEX, how's life under the table?  Grin
legendary
Activity: 1658
Merit: 1001
October 10, 2015, 03:39:32 PM
@MaNI, so if you consider yourself as part of the whole team. What's your opinion about the community members that feel like they are ignored and held back by the dev team? How do you as a team plan to improve that? The discussion about IPO for the iOS app is just one example, the problem is (and long time has been) bigger than that.

And don't use the open source of the wallet as an excuse for guarantee that everything will be fine, you should know better that that is a false excuse.
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
October 10, 2015, 03:38:15 PM
Well, you were too late for that action. The IPO was started already and filling op quick. Next time better i guess... for now more than enough said. All positive vibes to Gulden again, pls  Cool

Yeah... an IPO below market price... sure that fills up quickly.

BioMike, you are a complete ass. Dont you read? The IPO started at a time the price was around 500 sats en was filled way before the explosion to almost 1500.

And what is your point anyway in bringing this up? Its always and ALWAYS only you and LTEX that incite people inside the community. Just stop the FUD!

Come on Jero, maybe you should watch the movie TimeMachine first. Maybe then you can decide wether you want to be an Eloy or a Morloch...

Better agree with LTEX!
Because if you do not agree with him you are dumb and he will put a big wall on 1680sat.
That is the LTEX way of doing things right?

About the GULDEX, everybody now knows it is a pump hype and fail.
Sorry mate better luck next time  Shocked
legendary
Activity: 1025
Merit: 1000
ltex.nl
October 10, 2015, 03:37:30 PM
LTEX raised up a good point, shouldn't we be more carefull with the ways in which the premine is spent and perhaps wait till the market cap has increased significantly? I mean the premine is the fuel that drives this project to new heights right?  Huh I mean for 1 million premine you get 1k euros which you can use to materialize nice things, however if that same 1 million premine is worth 400k euro's it's much better, you can do public advertisements, hire that BBW blonde from the PLUS supermarket to do a commercial and lots of other cool stuff. My concern is that the devs are thinking too small whereas they should start thinking big and anticipate on the future more.

Why should the devteam do that?
We have the 1680club right?
They will put their money where their mouth is!
They can do marketing right?
LTEX is specialized in marketing right?
You guys see the bigger picture so act on it!
Does the devteam needs to give you a kiss on the forehead before you actually do the things you are talking about?
[/b]

No, they just need to stop deciding single-handedly on everything and at least honor serious questions by serious members with an answer (decent or not)!
legendary
Activity: 1025
Merit: 1000
ltex.nl
October 10, 2015, 03:35:20 PM
Well, you were too late for that action. The IPO was started already and filling op quick. Next time better i guess... for now more than enough said. All positive vibes to Gulden again, pls  Cool

Yeah... an IPO below market price... sure that fills up quickly.

BioMike, you are a complete ass. Dont you read? The IPO started at a time the price was around 500 sats en was filled way before the explosion to almost 1500.

And what is your point anyway in bringing this up? Its always and ALWAYS only you and LTEX that incite people inside the community. Just stop the FUD!

Come on Jero, maybe you should watch the movie TimeMachine first. Maybe then you can decide wether you want to be an Eloy or a Morloch...
full member
Activity: 192
Merit: 100
October 10, 2015, 03:33:58 PM
to become owner of one of Guldens most valuable assets, being the IOS wallet and other IOS apps.
Sorry I've tried to not get involved in this but I can't sit back and watch such misinformation being wilfully spread.
They will not be the owner of the app (which is any way open source), just the distributor, and more than that most likely the *temporary* distributor, something which they are doing as a favour for us the dev team because we asked them and because this is the best tactic to solve our current app store problemand what has worked for other coins.
Repeating a lie often enough does *not* make it true, it is quite clear to me that you are trying to make an issue here where there is none.

Please do not get involved in this MaNi, you are doing a fantastic job. This frustration began long before you got into the dev team and many people left because of it. I know the language is sometimes not appropriate but sometimes there is no other way for people to listen than to bang them on the head.
Unfortunately people leave me very little choice but to become involved (and believe me I have many other things I would much rather be doing) when they make broad sweeping statements about the dev team.
We are very much a *team* and not separate individuals. While I may primarily be in the dev team for my coding skills I am consulted on and we discuss almost everything, this latest decision of how to go forward on the Apple situation, for example I was very much involved in.

While this animosity may have started before I joined, I am part of the team now and an attack (and I use the word attack because really that is what this is) on the 'dev team' is very much an attack on me it is that simple. So perhaps people should contemplate this sort of stuff in more depth and consider exactly who they are insulting when they make insults or insinuations about the dev team.
When that attack contains complete misinformation and lies I am left no choice but to defend myself and the team as a whole.

I actually never used the word 'dev team' because we do not know anything how things are decided behind the curtains so it might well have been that you didn't know anything about this. It is indeed an attack but a attack with founded argument( at least on my side) that such a decision is not the devs team to make but everyone's decision, the Bitcoin devs got in trouble lately with similar issues. There should  have been a democratic voting with such a big decision and not just a dev team decision, bypassing the entire community is just not appropriate, although i do partially agree with the outcome of the decision.
Anyway, it's done now so no going back, i just hope that next time we will have a voice in similar matters, just forum talk won't cut it, we need official voting for such big decisions.
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
October 10, 2015, 03:33:22 PM
LTEX raised up a good point, shouldn't we be more carefull with the ways in which the premine is spent and perhaps wait till the market cap has increased significantly? I mean the premine is the fuel that drives this project to new heights right?  Huh I mean for 1 million premine you get 1k euros which you can use to materialize nice things, however if that same 1 million premine is worth 400k euro's it's much better, you can do public advertisements, hire that BBW blonde from the PLUS supermarket to do a commercial and lots of other cool stuff. My concern is that the devs are thinking too small whereas they should start thinking big and anticipate on the future more.

Why should the devteam do that?
We have the 1680club right?
They will put their money where their mouth is!
They can do marketing right?
LTEX is specialized in marketing right?
You guys see the bigger picture so act on it!
Does the devteam needs to give you a kiss on the forehead before you actually do the things you are talking about?
legendary
Activity: 1025
Merit: 1000
ltex.nl
October 10, 2015, 03:33:16 PM
Well, you were too late for that action. The IPO was started already and filling op quick. Next time better i guess... for now more than enough said. All positive vibes to Gulden again, pls  Cool

Yeah... an IPO below market price... sure that fills up quickly.

I was not too late, actually I was the first to offer 1BTC if only we could discuss creating a foundation in stead of funding a privately owned limited!:

https://community.gulden.com/t/help-us-get-nocks-and-gulden-on-the-app-store/1285/9?u=ltex

But that's the whole reason this discussion exists isn't it? The way this works is simple:

-We decided to do this and need cash
-Everyone who backs this gets cheap NLG for their support
-Dont ask questions, we don't like that, just put up the cash and STFU!
-If you do have questions, don't share them with us, we will ignore you, shut you out and try to blame you for any damage that comes from our dictatorial behavior...
hero member
Activity: 638
Merit: 500
October 10, 2015, 03:31:42 PM
Well, you were too late for that action. The IPO was started already and filling op quick. Next time better i guess... for now more than enough said. All positive vibes to Gulden again, pls  Cool

Yeah... an IPO below market price... sure that fills up quickly.

BioMike, you are a complete ass. Dont you read? The IPO started at a time the price was around 500 sats en was filled way before the explosion to almost 1500.

And what is your point anyway in bringing this up? Its always and ALWAYS only you and LTEX that incite people inside the community. Just stop the FUD!
legendary
Activity: 1658
Merit: 1001
October 10, 2015, 03:25:01 PM
Well, you were too late for that action. The IPO was started already and filling op quick. Next time better i guess... for now more than enough said. All positive vibes to Gulden again, pls  Cool

Yeah... an IPO below market price... sure that fills up quickly.
sr. member
Activity: 275
Merit: 250
October 10, 2015, 03:19:17 PM
to become owner of one of Guldens most valuable assets, being the IOS wallet and other IOS apps.
Sorry I've tried to not get involved in this but I can't sit back and watch such misinformation being wilfully spread.
They will not be the owner of the app (which is any way open source), just the distributor, and more than that most likely the *temporary* distributor, something which they are doing as a favour for us the dev team because we asked them and because this is the best tactic to solve our current app store problemand what has worked for other coins.
Repeating a lie often enough does *not* make it true, it is quite clear to me that you are trying to make an issue here where there is none.

Please do not get involved in this MaNi, you are doing a fantastic job. This frustration began long before you got into the dev team and many people left because of it. I know the language is sometimes not appropriate but sometimes there is no other way for people to listen than to bang them on the head.
Unfortunately people leave me very little choice but to become involved (and believe me I have many other things I would much rather be doing) when they make broad sweeping statements about the dev team.
We are very much a *team* and not separate individuals. While I may primarily be in the dev team for my coding skills I am consulted on and we discuss almost everything, this latest decision of how to go forward on the Apple situation, for example I was very much involved in.

While this animosity may have started before I joined, I am part of the team now and an attack (and I use the word attack because really that is what this is) on the 'dev team' is very much an attack on me it is that simple. So perhaps people should contemplate this sort of stuff in more depth and consider exactly who they are insulting when they make insults or insinuations about the dev team.
When that attack contains complete misinformation and lies I am left no choice but to defend myself and the team as a whole.
legendary
Activity: 952
Merit: 1000
October 10, 2015, 03:18:42 PM
So now positive again please  Grin I think the dev team is doing a great job and LTEX can support as well and did very good things for Gulden. Trust is needed here first on both sides. Can take a while after this maybe. Maybe talk face to face in a meeting and join forces. All want the best for Gulden, so old cows have to get burried here for trust between both parties, i think.

I want nothing else (or less) than a positive and trustful cooperation with anyone here, especially the dev team. They are absolutely doing an awesome job, but that makes it the more sad that I lost trust in the way they chose to dictate things here without any room for serious debate!

Let it sink for a few days. I think you reased some good questions and discussion is there now. For the funding it was ok to do so, is my oppinion, else it wasn't supported. Don't be too negative on it, i think.  Wink
legendary
Activity: 988
Merit: 1000
October 10, 2015, 03:16:58 PM
The Gulden team reminds me of how Donald Trump is going about his presidential campaign.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/251753-trump-i-dont-want-lobbyists-special-interests

The only problem for the team is they don't have the money Mr Trump has but the way they are raising funds doesn't leave them having to answer to anyone and they can do what they think is best for the currency.

I am not saying LTEX would have them by the balls if he donates large sums of money and expects favours in return in the future.
hero member
Activity: 638
Merit: 500
October 10, 2015, 03:09:28 PM

I did @Meije

Really good advertising for Gulden this is!

And you also combined your hobby/interest with Gulden. Wish more people can do that, awesome!
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
October 10, 2015, 03:09:04 PM
Barry stop that attitude please, LTEX is doing the project and the community a great favor in many different ways. You probably don't understand how projects like this are set up, you can't just go from A to Z without passing B, C, D etc. You start off small and you keep feeding the fire untill it becomes a roaring blaze. Unless you yourself have any credentials in this thing of ours, I think an attitude of gratitude is much more fitting than your current attitude which in my opinion sounds pretty trollish...

Nope I am saying as it is.
I am not an underling of LTEX, you or the devteam.
You are probably right, I don't understand those things because I am sooooo dumb and you guys are soooo smart!

Perhaps maybe you are right... here is some gratitude.
Thank you for the Epic fail of 1680club and kwartjeterug.  Grin



Like I said before but still have not recieved any comments of LTEX on that matter.
50K NLG bet, 1 year GULDEX online, applying to Dutch regulations.
Prove me wrong LTEX or should I stop asking from now on?
full member
Activity: 192
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October 10, 2015, 03:06:46 PM
hero member
Activity: 638
Merit: 500
October 10, 2015, 03:04:37 PM
@LTEX

When GuldenWallet was removed from the Apple Store we, as a community, had a big problem which must be solved quick. At the same time the Nocks Native app which was funded by the community as well (ref. https://community.gulden.com/t/nocks-native-voor-ios/1040) will have the same challenge. With the already sold 1 million premine the Nocks construction was set up. A very logic and solid solution for this time without any, in the meantime proven, future worries at all. This IPO was sold in a blink of an eye so there is the strength of the community again. There are no legitimate reasons to let the dev team answer any doubts only you have.

Please stop this endless nowhere going discussion, people get tired up with this kind of *

@Jero If time was of the essence, they should have asked me for the € 1K directly and they would have it in the bank 2 minutes afterwards. I've shown my pro active participation in that way many times before.

I still think that the premine should not have been used to fund a private company to become the registrant of Guldens IOS apps. If everyone that supported this IPO for the sake of Gulden and not their private benefits, I will offer to buy their NLG back at the same rate right now and donate it to the Refugees charity...

Well, you were too late for that action. The IPO was started already and filling op quick. Next time better i guess... for now more than enough said. All positive vibes to Gulden again, pls  Cool
member
Activity: 84
Merit: 10
October 10, 2015, 03:03:30 PM
So now positive again please  Grin I think the dev team is doing a great job and LTEX can support as well and did very good things for Gulden. Trust is needed here first on both sides. Can take a while after this maybe. Maybe talk face to face in a meeting and join forces. All want the best for Gulden, so old cows have to get burried here for trust between both parties, i think.

I want nothing else (or less) than a positive and trustful cooperation with anyone here, especially the dev team. They are absolutely doing an awesome job, but that makes it the more sad that I lost trust in the way they chose to dictate things here without any room for serious debate!

Really debate?
Putting coins on a 1680 sell wall to make a statement?
You call that debate?
LTEX is always right and everyone else is wrong.

Better agree with LTEX or else millions on a 1680 sat wall!
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