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Topic: Namecoin and Bitcoin value are now equal (based on difficulty) (Read 4586 times)

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Chill dawgs. Namecoiners gotta stick together yo!

I made a thread here: https://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=28388.0

"Are you a Namecoiner?"
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
Chill dawgs. Namecoiners gotta stick together yo!
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 101
All discussion as to the usability of namecoin aside, difficulty at parity actually means taking a loss mining namecoin.

Mining in a pool has a pool fee off the top, then there is a fee to transfer the namecoins from the pool to you, then a fee to transfer the namecoins to the exchange, the exchange charges a fee to exchange namecoins to bitcoins, then there is a fee to withdraw the bitcoins. This is all before the regular fees of bitcoin, 5 fees. They may be small individually but as you use it they add up. So if you generate the same number of bitcoin-valued namecoins you are taking a loss over directly generating bitcoins.

Who made that exchange site, adding fees to withdraw, destroyed namecoins trading. Congratulation!

Because taking 0.01 on withdrawing is going to kill all trading!
Yup 0.01 NMC is currently 0.37 cents. So yeah at the current rate if you withdraw your namecoins, you bet your ass they are taking a big chunk of your account!

It's a static fee. Withdrawing 5000 NMC costs 0.01 NMC.

Are you trolling, or just a little... not all there?

Obviously you aren't able to decipher what is sarcasm and what is meant to be real. Once again, your attitude has gotten the best of you. LOL. I'm surprised you are listed as a hero member when you make remarks like the one above and also in the other discussion string.

Oh and one more thing. It's not a static fee because when a .bit domain costs go to 0.01 namecoins you bet your ass the fees will be more like 0.00001 NMC. If it can change it is semi-static/semi-dynamic.

Are you bored, or just a little... just little (in every form)?

I just post too much because I have no life, I don't deserve hero status.
legendary
Activity: 2492
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
All discussion as to the usability of namecoin aside, difficulty at parity actually means taking a loss mining namecoin.

Mining in a pool has a pool fee off the top, then there is a fee to transfer the namecoins from the pool to you, then a fee to transfer the namecoins to the exchange, the exchange charges a fee to exchange namecoins to bitcoins, then there is a fee to withdraw the bitcoins. This is all before the regular fees of bitcoin, 5 fees. They may be small individually but as you use it they add up. So if you generate the same number of bitcoin-valued namecoins you are taking a loss over directly generating bitcoins.

Who made that exchange site, adding fees to withdraw, destroyed namecoins trading. Congratulation!

Because taking 0.01 on withdrawing is going to kill all trading!
Yup 0.01 NMC is currently 0.37 cents. So yeah at the current rate if you withdraw your namecoins, you bet your ass they are taking a big chunk of your account!

It's a static fee. Withdrawing 5000 NMC costs 0.01 NMC.

Are you trolling, or just a little... not all there?

Obviously you aren't able to decipher what is sarcasm and what is meant to be real. Once again, your attitude has gotten the best of you. LOL. I'm surprised you are listed as a hero member when you make remarks like the one above and also in the other discussion string.

Oh and one more thing. It's not a static fee because when a .bit domain costs go to 0.01 namecoins you bet your ass the fees will be more like 0.00001 NMC. If it can change it is semi-static/semi-dynamic.

Are you bored, or just a little... just little (in every form)?
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 101
All discussion as to the usability of namecoin aside, difficulty at parity actually means taking a loss mining namecoin.

Mining in a pool has a pool fee off the top, then there is a fee to transfer the namecoins from the pool to you, then a fee to transfer the namecoins to the exchange, the exchange charges a fee to exchange namecoins to bitcoins, then there is a fee to withdraw the bitcoins. This is all before the regular fees of bitcoin, 5 fees. They may be small individually but as you use it they add up. So if you generate the same number of bitcoin-valued namecoins you are taking a loss over directly generating bitcoins.

Who made that exchange site, adding fees to withdraw, destroyed namecoins trading. Congratulation!

Because taking 0.01 on withdrawing is going to kill all trading!
Yup 0.01 NMC is currently 0.37 cents. So yeah at the current rate if you withdraw your namecoins, you bet your ass they are taking a big chunk of your account!

It's a static fee. Withdrawing 5000 NMC costs 0.01 NMC.

Are you trolling, or just a little... not all there?
legendary
Activity: 2492
Merit: 1473
LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
All discussion as to the usability of namecoin aside, difficulty at parity actually means taking a loss mining namecoin.

Mining in a pool has a pool fee off the top, then there is a fee to transfer the namecoins from the pool to you, then a fee to transfer the namecoins to the exchange, the exchange charges a fee to exchange namecoins to bitcoins, then there is a fee to withdraw the bitcoins. This is all before the regular fees of bitcoin, 5 fees. They may be small individually but as you use it they add up. So if you generate the same number of bitcoin-valued namecoins you are taking a loss over directly generating bitcoins.

Who made that exchange site, adding fees to withdraw, destroyed namecoins trading. Congratulation!

Because taking 0.01 on withdrawing is going to kill all trading!
Yup 0.01 NMC is currently 0.37 cents. So yeah at the current rate if you withdraw your namecoins, you bet your ass they are taking a big chunk of your account!
legendary
Activity: 966
Merit: 1004
Keep it real
All discussion as to the usability of namecoin aside, difficulty at parity actually means taking a loss mining namecoin.

Mining in a pool has a pool fee off the top, then there is a fee to transfer the namecoins from the pool to you, then a fee to transfer the namecoins to the exchange, the exchange charges a fee to exchange namecoins to bitcoins, then there is a fee to withdraw the bitcoins. This is all before the regular fees of bitcoin, 5 fees. They may be small individually but as you use it they add up. So if you generate the same number of bitcoin-valued namecoins you are taking a loss over directly generating bitcoins.

Who made that exchange site, adding fees to withdraw, destroyed namecoins trading. Congratulation!

Because taking 0.01 on withdrawing is going to kill all trading!
qed
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 100
All discussion as to the usability of namecoin aside, difficulty at parity actually means taking a loss mining namecoin.

Mining in a pool has a pool fee off the top, then there is a fee to transfer the namecoins from the pool to you, then a fee to transfer the namecoins to the exchange, the exchange charges a fee to exchange namecoins to bitcoins, then there is a fee to withdraw the bitcoins. This is all before the regular fees of bitcoin, 5 fees. They may be small individually but as you use it they add up. So if you generate the same number of bitcoin-valued namecoins you are taking a loss over directly generating bitcoins.

Who made that exchange site, adding fees to withdraw, destroyed namecoins trading. Congratulation!
hero member
Activity: 602
Merit: 500
All discussion as to the usability of namecoin aside, difficulty at parity actually means taking a loss mining namecoin.

Mining in a pool has a pool fee off the top, then there is a fee to transfer the namecoins from the pool to you, then a fee to transfer the namecoins to the exchange, the exchange charges a fee to exchange namecoins to bitcoins, then there is a fee to withdraw the bitcoins. This is all before the regular fees of bitcoin, 5 fees. They may be small individually but as you use it they add up. So if you generate the same number of bitcoin-valued namecoins you are taking a loss over directly generating bitcoins.
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
Quote from: Bitname.org admin
while i believe in a free and distributed dns, i also need to abide to local laws. therefore, i will block names if i'm legally required to do so.

Wikileaks is blocked for one.. Instant failure.

Use namecoin.us then.

Whether one of the resolvers sucks or not is irrelevant. The point is that people can browse .bit domains without needing to add a new DNS server.
legendary
Activity: 1694
Merit: 1006
That's why I did not even bother to start mining namecoins . It was obvious that arbitragers will even thing out quickly and it is so much simpler to just continue mining bitcoins than mess with all the namecoin thing (unless you really want those namecoins).

Its so easy though. It took me a little time tinkering to get solo mining working (pool mining is much easier). But really, you can switch between namecoin mining and BTC in literally 2 seconds. There's nothing to it. And I'm just your average nerd, not major geek.
sr. member
Activity: 500
Merit: 253
Can't you just register your DNS through the client?
sr. member
Activity: 252
Merit: 251
Namecoin doesn't work on the "real" internet.

To invent a random demonstrating number, 99.9% of people are not willing to set up a browser to use a separate DNS server, or even bother to change their DNS in Windows, to access some .bit sites.

You don't have to, you can access .bit sites through normal DNS servers using resolvers like bitname.org or namecoin.us.

Quote from: Bitname.org admin
while i believe in a free and distributed dns, i also need to abide to local laws. therefore, i will block names if i'm legally required to do so.

Wikileaks is blocked for one.. Instant failure.
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
Namecoin doesn't work on the "real" internet.

To invent a random demonstrating number, 99.9% of people are not willing to set up a browser to use a separate DNS server, or even bother to change their DNS in Windows, to access some .bit sites.

You don't have to, you can access .bit sites through normal DNS servers using resolvers like bitname.org or namecoin.us.
sr. member
Activity: 500
Merit: 253
If namecoin has a 21 million coin cap like bitcoin, then namecoin will eat bitcoin eventually and there will be alot of angry people about that.
legendary
Activity: 2058
Merit: 1431
Isnt there a calculator, where i can see how many namecoins i mine in 24h with current difficulty? Something like deepbit has, because i still think it's more profitable to mine namecoins.
http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php
replace difficulty with the one you get from namecoind getdifficulty
sr. member
Activity: 252
Merit: 251
Namecoin doesn't work on the "real" internet.

To invent a random demonstrating number, 99.9% of people are not willing to set up a browser to use a separate DNS server, or even bother to change their DNS in Windows, to access some .bit sites.

Usability is more important than domain seizures to the overwhelming majority of the world's web surfers.
Namecoin is made with the domain owner's protection in mind. What about visitors? How many average people will tweak with settings just to access some domain subset?

Whereas anyone with a normal internet connection, Linux, Windows, Mac, can open a bitcoin wallet within a minute or less or recieve payments.

Few people want to buy something that gives you a domain not accessible by anyone besides a few thousand people in the world.
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Activity: 154
Merit: 100
Namecoins are a clone of bitcoins with narrower adoption.  Their marginal utility of alternate DNS is more than offset by not having an established ecosystem like bitcoins.  The same risks bitcoins faced earlier on are there for namecoins.

The only way to buy and sell namecoins is through bitcoins, they are tied to the fortunes of bitcoin. 

TL;DR all the risks of bitcoins are doubled if you go with namecoins.
sr. member
Activity: 392
Merit: 250
Now that the diffuculty in computing either is the same the additional risk of being invested in namecoins outweighs the benefits and I'm be converting the namecoins I mined to bitcoins.

What is the additional risk of namecoin?
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Activity: 154
Merit: 100
Bingo.  Mining namecoins was a way to get in closer to the top of that pyramid while there was a huge difficulty vs payout gap.   

Now that the diffuculty in computing either is the same the additional risk of being invested in namecoins outweighs the benefits and I'm be converting the namecoins I mined to bitcoins.
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