Topic: NASA May Have Invented Warp Drive (A.K.A. : Perfect engine for a 1000yo human?) - page 3. (Read 3466 times)

I'm not that good at maths so I'm glad you realise that but the thing is people are just going to decide themselves it IS powered by magic that's my point lol even though I'm not good at equations I know that thrust doesn't come from nothing.

I don't know much about negative mass unfortunately to comment on it, what pisses me off though is rather than say that people will jump to their own conclusions and claim it's magic, the point is though the thrust isn't produced by anti-matter or any bullshit like that. It seems to me though that he just found a clever way to reverse the thrust and people are trying to figure out how he actually did it while others are just trying to dismiss his work. I'm not saying don't be skeptical, technology like this should be scrutinised like crazy, but don't dismiss it out of hand like idiots did with the Hadron Collider.

In the end, the reason people were saying that is because they didn't want the Higgs Boson particle being found in the same way that they couldn't believe that we might finally have a real chance of leaving this planet. The information is all there on his website though so it's just a matter of going through it and taking the actual time to figure it out.

Good luck with your travel to Alpha Centaury, idiot. Don't forget to give them all your money. You can also give all your money, house, etc. to me. Since your're not gonna be needing them in space.

can it do time travel also.

Oh fuck off, people like you are the type who believe the Hadron Collider could make a black hole aren't you? Also it's got nothing to do with breaking the laws of physics it's just that people are too stupid to look properly at the evidence presented, there's a clue in the name "EM" ElectroMagnetic, the engine generates microwaves and doesn't break the laws of physics at all.

Damn morons will believe anything that they read or are told.

Here's Roger Shawyers actual website, it goes into a full explanation of how it works.

http://www.rexresearch.com/shawyer/shawyer.htm#gb239

The official reason tha was given that the EMDrive 'didn't work' was because of the amount of thrust it produced was so small etc. but they've clearly been testing it properly now and trying to increase the power, but as the guy rightly said who invented the prototype they're going to be pretty far behind other companies who are more willing to experiment with this. From what I've seen it looks like if you want to produce any kind of real movement from it you're going to have to power it with an electricity source but that's a far better option than wasting a ton of fuel in space to get to where you need to go and then get stuck because there isn't any oil or gas elsewhere.

In theory, I guess you could use the solar energy from the sun to power this thing which is a far more efficient method than what's been come up with so far.


Oh and I just edited my post, I don't know why you didn't read anything but it even says in one line it uses electrical energy to produce thrust and that's the case in the actual document I gave you too. I worry for the fucking future of civilisation when people are practically handed space travel technology and just dismiss it because they're so proud of being stupid.

(Red colorization mine.)

NASA May Have Invented Warp Drive?
LOL, another science scam to attract taxpayers money. Laws of physics forbids it. Forget it people. We stuck on this planet. Everyone who saying different is a scammer who just want your money. That's all.

We would not? Are you sure about this or are you just writing nonsense? The mentioned Z8 GND 5296 is actually 13.1 billion light years away. 30 billion light years is the comoving distance to that galaxy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comoving_distance

Not http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Impulse_drive ?

“NASA” (i.e., the Illuminati) was aware of the possibility that negative matter is freed inside “the EmDrive’s resonance chamber” (Russon): the velocity of “some of the laser beams” (Russon) was negatively decreased (i.e., increased).

hmm....

Well since the universe is about 13.8 billion years old, even if we went one way and an object went the opposite direction at the speed of light, it wouldn't be 30 billion light years away....LOL, does that prove FTL travel?

As for the quoted travel time to Mars, it's similar to travel time to Philedelphia from Rotterdam in the 18th century (60-80 days).  However, actual distance to Mars varies from 54M km to 400M km due to the orbits.

18th century German immigrant ships, which normally sailed from Rotterdam to Philadelphia via Deal, Portsmouth, etc. I'm researching the owners, ships, captains, and crews rather than the immigrants they carried. Sailing times for the westbound leg are fairly well documented, and normally 60-80 days, England to Philadelphia.

At least the fucking assholes mentioned Shawyer was the original creator of the EMDrive, these guys were originally dismissing it along with other scientists, it's quite simple really, they were likely dismissing his work so it wouldn't get as much interest then quietly working on it until they got a better version up and running.

At least, that's what I reckon they're up to.

I don't get it. Was following this for a while. Now nasa says it worked in a vacuum. I believe previous tests were not done in a vacuum. I still don't get it but nasa says the engine works...

It means what we know as "reality" is still very strange to me. Obviously not strange for the dude behind the idea and was mocked for it.


Although it is sad to see articles with over the top titles like this one, just for click baits.

That's true. I was saying that there was massive improvements when it comes to computer (i.e. informatics). I guess the upcoming years are going to be interesting when it all interconnects (it already has but to some degree).

How is it wrong? That might be wrong if you're looking inside the box. Mars is 225,300,000 kilometers away from earth (225,3 times 10^5). Z8 GND 5296 (it doesn't even have a proper name) is one of the most distant astronomical objects that we've discovered so far in the observable universe. It is 30 bly away (yes, billion light years); converting into kilometers would result in a very big number. Don't get me started on things outside the observable part of the universe.
So don't tell me that a 70 day trip to Mars, which is 0.00002381423ly away, is not slow.

Well.....

To understand look at the LAST 50 years  - 1965 to now.  Cars are about the same, aircraft have somewhat improved jet turbine engines.  Powerplants are somewhat better, a lot cleaner of course.

So in all these power systems what has improved tremendously?  All the monitoring and control and computer components.

Basic propulsion systems do not evolve according to the same trend as electronics.  Well of course unless you created a propulsion system embedded in a pc board somehow....

Oh, and saying going to Mars in 70 days is slow is sort of wrong, because it does not show a comprehension of the enormous distances involved.  Having said that, there look to me to be a lot of wild speculation and math/numerical errors in the press release/article/post.

As far as I can tell this is better than sci-fi. It is my understanding it is a closed system. It is also not a warp drive as it doesn't seem to involve bending the space around the device.

[...]
Moving out from LEO, Mr. March, from NASA EagleWorks, noted that a spacecraft equipped with EM drive technology could surpass the performance expectations of the WarpStar-I concept vehicle.

If such a similar vehicle were equipped with an EM Drive, it could enable travel from the surface of Earth to the surface of the moon within four hours.

Such a vehicle would be capable of carrying two to six passengers and luggage and would be able to return to Earth in the same four-hour interval using one load of hydrogen and oxygen for fuel cell-derived electrical power, assuming a 500 to 1,000 Newton/kW efficiency EM Drive system.

While the current maximum reported efficiency is close to only 1 Newton/kW (Prof. Yang’s experiments in China), Mr. March noted that such an increase in efficiency is most likely achievable within the next 50 years provided that current EM Drive propulsion conjectures are close to accurate.

Far more ambitious applications for the EM Drive were presented by Dr. White and include crewed missions to Mars as well as to the outer planets.

Specifically, these two proposed missions (to Mars and the outer planets) would use a 2 MegaWatt Nuclear Electric Propulsion spacecraft equipped with an EM Drive with a thrust/powerInput of 0.4 Newton/kW.

With this design, a mission to Mars would result in a 70-day transit from Earth to the red planet, a 90-day stay at Mars, and then another 70-day return transit to Earth.

[...]
However, EM drive applications are not limited to Mars or outer solar system targets.

Applications of this technology in deep space missions have already received conceptual outlines.

In particular, the Alpha Centauri system, the closest star system to our solar system at just 4.3 lights year’s distance, received specific mention as a potential mission destination.

Mr. Joosten and Dr. White stated that “a one-way, non-decelerating trip to Alpha Centauri under a constant one milli-g acceleration” from an EM drive would result in an arrival speed of 9.4 percent the speed of light and result in a total transit time from Earth to Alpha Centauri of just 92 years.

However, if the intentions of such a mission were to perform in-situ observations and experiments in the Alpha Centauri system, then deceleration would be needed.

This added component would result in a 130-year transit time from Earth to Alpha Centauri – which is still a significant improvement over the multi-thousand year timetable such a mission would take using current chemical propulsion technology.

The speeds discussed in the Alpha Centauri mission proposal are sufficiently low that relativity effects are negligible.



http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/04/evaluating-nasas-futuristic-em-drive/

"The results are actually down to fundamental physics, which has been well understood for the last 100 years. There are plenty of competent organisations in many countries who have been supporting my work over the past few years and plenty of other people including the Chinese have proved it, so it's not a surprise to me."

Shawyer spent years having his technology ridiculed by the international space community even though Boeing licensed it and the UK government was satisfied it worked. But on 29 April, researchers from Nasa Spaceflight confirmed an electromagnetic propulsion drive was successfully tested in a vacuum at Johnson Space Center.

Although it did not seem possible, Nasa found the technology did indeed work, and no amount of discussions from the space organisation or a large community of enthusiasts, engineers, and scientists on several continents on the NasaSpaceflight.com EmDrive forum had so far been able to disprove the results.

Shawyer says the technology will revolutionise the aerospace industry and change is coming whether it likes it or not.

"The aerospace industry needs to sit up and rethink things. The big aerospace companies have designed their last big jets, that's one of the implications. No one will be flying big jets for long-haul transportation in 20 years, and we won't be needing runways either," he said.


http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/nasa-validates-emdrive-roger-shawyer-says-aerospace-industry-needs-watch-out-1499141