Topic: Naster is scam selling dirty paypal fund (Read 1051 times)

interesting discusssion.
I was following this topic since a few days now.

After my analysis, I went to this conclusion:

- Naster and his chinese friend busy had somehow together a paypal "shaddy" business where Naster was sending customers to busy

- busy knew that Naster was sending customers funds to him. In a post, busy mentioned that a customer charged back already in the past. However it didn't stop him from continuing this activity. I guess he was making enough money... otherwise I can't play why he didn't stop this business after the first case.

- When this happened for the second time, Naster suggested Busy to "drop" the Paypal account, offer that has been refused by his partner Busy because the concerned account was linked to his real bank account in China.

- Finally, Busy asked Naster to pay him 300 USD on the account to cover the loss AND additionally to give him back a bank account that was using on one paypal acccount (I guess Busy can resell that account to other customers).
I can't find a screenshot posted by Busy where Naster offered him 300 USD, I can see some screenshots where Busy asked Naster to pay these 300 USD as well as the removing of the account.

- Also I can see some reminders of Busy to Naster to send him the 300 USD.

- Naster paid with some delay the 300 USD and 4 weeks later, Busy is opening here scam accusation against Naster.

- I see that everyone here is against Naster and supporting blindly Busy, just because he posted lot of screenshots and just because Naster didn't post a screenshot where Busy explicitly confirmed that he received the 300 USD and closed the case.
And the same time, no one asked a single time to this man, why he didn't respond to Naster after he got the money. I got to hear that both had some communication systems daily. How to explain that he got the money and the bank account back, and didn't say anything to his partner 3-4 weeks later? It seems nobody is interested by this part, so I m asking myself if this isnt a  complot organized by few people to destroy the good earned reputation of Naster? When I check the Trust history of this guy, it's clear he has (well I will say had since few of you started to "kill" his profile) a solid and honest reputation.

- I see that a post from him was removed because of Doxing. Now, when I check the most screenshots of Busy, these contain privately information about customers. So basically, this chinese has the right to dox (because this also doxing!!!!!) while Naster can't do anything. Nobody stopped this guy to dox by posting privately information. At the same time, I see some posts where Naster  said he would not be interested to affect the privacy of his partner. Regardless, everyone calls Naster the bad guy. Wow, if this isn't an organized complot, I wouldnt know how to call this!

- So basically, few legendaries of this forum inculpate an old and Trusted member of this forum (when I check his profile, he joined 2015) against a new member of who in no way is contributing in this forum except posting some "unclear" (I won't say "false" or "non verified") scam accusations and doxing people? Wow if so, it's time to forget this forum.

- There are other PAYPAL < > BTC service on this forum, I used few of them, and all of them were using different paypal accounts to receive payments. This is nothing new, it has been always like this and it will be always. Don't act like Naster or Busy invented the paypal btc exchange.

- Nevertheless, I hope the Best for all the parties involved here. It was just my impartial analysis. I'm sorry if I offended someone.

Lol what a dirtbag. Doxing then claiming he tested positive for COVID-19 to elicit sympathy. He must be following Vod's posts.

@Naster Please stop to make threats or DOXING this user @busy124
I am not here to discuss about your litigation but there are no an amount of money that allowed you to threat or DOXING anyone.  Just my 5 cents. Please edit your post.
Hope you will understand. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxing

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I am very sorry to hear about this (+) test (don't worry, Everything will be fine! )

I am sorry for those who caught between me and Naster
@nutildah @suchmoon sorry about your negative feedback

I didnt want to respond your support because Naster made serious threat to me, I knew he would retaliate anyone who would oppose him

He also gather some of his partners to attack me and my thread

But unlike Naster, I will try my best to explain and provide evidence, rather than threatening and retaliate

My claim is simply, Naster is selling dirty paypal, people should be aware of it, despite of his advertising 100% clean paypal

LOL @ most respected. You aren't as smart as you think you are. I have been around here a long time, I recognize shady shit when I see it, and you are well into that territory. Trading isn't the problem, you are clearly not using Paypal within its terms of service at the very least, and more than likely you are engaged in some sort of charge back fraud. Neither one of the parties in this dispute seem to have any credibility, and all that is happening is you are both exposing yourselves.

Offering, and agreeing to provide a service for an established price, then not satisfying your end of the agreement and refusing to compensate is criminal activity.



What the fuck is this?  Are you threatening to DOX busy124?



Can you please provide more details about this statement?  Why was busy124's bank account connected to your PayPal, and what was the point of doing this in the first place?



Did you warn busy124 that you were contracting with other individuals to pay him, and you refuse to be held accountable if those other folks charge-back?  If so, show proof.  If not, then you are obligated to honor your agreement with busy124.  It's that simple.

You've been literally bullshitt-ing this thread for 1 week already , you claim there's an agreement between you , SHOW PROOF OF IT  , like countless people have already asked and not just assume to take your word on it.

From the facts presented in the OP  ( regardless of what shady arrangements you guys have made ) proof actually shows that you indeed scammed him  .        Want to change that ?  Show us the agreement between you two .

Where is that agreement? Earlier you said it was just an implied agreement. Clearly he doesn't feel that way. Producing a record of that agreement would have really helped you out here, and if you could do so, you would have already. So in all likelihood it never existed.


The mods aren't going to close this thread.

Its not about money, its about ethic. Those who know me, know that I have been always honest.
I made an agreement with this guy, 2 weeks later, even if I assume he changed his mind for whatever reason, he could have contacted me privately where we had daily and fast communication  and simply say "Hey Naster, sorry I changed my mind regarding our last agreement. Please can you see how you can send me XXXX USD or whatever?". I'm pretty sure that issue would have been solved fast as always. Instead, he comes here to call me falsely SCAMMER.
I'm sorry for him but I can't help him.
Not to mention that it was not just about giving him 300 USD back  but I had also to remove his latest bank account from my Paypal so his banker can recycle it and give it to someone else (don't ask again screenshots, I won't again to spend whole day in chat to search for text to screenshot).
You are free to support him and keep your statement if this makes you feel good  



@suchmoon Just as reminder: the funds which caused these issues were not my funds. I mentioned already that I'm not interested into this kind of funds, however sometimes such scammers can manage to scam you unfortunately. No need to repeat again the whole story.


Anyway @suchmoon + @nutildah feel free to keep your statement.

We are not making any progress unless engaging in other discussion. Kindly asking mods to close this nonsense-discussion.

Buying would imply paying for it, which you clearly didn't.

Also the source of your funds seems highly suspicious, what with you juggling multiple "stealth" accounts and all that shit.

You said busy124 was satisfied with only receiving the $300, even though you owed him $725. Clearly he wasn't, and you provided no proof of an agreement between you two to settle for $300. It's a pretty clear cut case here. If you reimburse busy124 the missing $425, I will remove my negative feedback.

Its crazy to say you are not untrustworthy if you feel its OK to occasionally leave your customers on the hook for money after they delivered you bitcoin. Either refund the missing bitcoin or send the money and I will remove my feedback.

@nutildah :  Seems you had already your idea about me from beginning, so I won't comment more.

@TECSHARE : if buying BTC with my PAYPAL funds then the US gov or whatever country should start closing sites like localbitcoins, paxful or whatever or even this forum. It seems you had nothing to say but you felt you need to say something.
I was curious to have a look at your profile and your Trust rating. Your profile shows that you are engaged in
well numerous of trades. So you trade also?? lol
So this is what the most respected members on this forum are saying about you?

Anyway, we STOP here please.

We are starting here moving away from the main subject, where in my opinion there is nothing more to explain on this topic.

I'm kindly asking to the Mods of this section to close this non-sense accusation and at the same time asking to those who abused of their Trust power to red my account to remove it. This was simply unfair.
Nobody really understands the motivation of Mr  **** ***** a.k.a Busy1234 with this. We are not here to speculate but to use facts and make constructive statements.
Agreement between us was clear and as always I respected my part. There is nothing more to discuss unless to engage into something else.

Thank you

Both of these guys are shady as fuck. IMO this is a waste of time to try to moderate. Just two shady fucks taking turns trying to buttfuck each other and crying about it. BTW, I hope neither of you live in the USA, because I am pretty sure a lot of what was published here constitutes evidence of criminal activity in the US as well as several other nations.

You showed no evidence that your customer agreed to accept $300 USD as payment in full. Just because he didn't respond right away doesn't imply that he agreed with taking only $300.

You left me a negative trust and said I am abusing the trust system, but this is exactly what it is for.

As I said in my feedback to you, if you make this user whole and repay what is owed, I will consider removing the feedback.

I already said that I won't make any more comment on this.

But I will give few more details.

1. Mr Busy is not even able to tell the truth. I understand that hypocrites like you get offended by the truth. I always knew you are a hypocrite, but a such??    

2. Generally when I accept PAYPAL funds from 3rd party customer, i verify their identity before accepting their money as well I ask question about the source of their money and I try to verify as much as I can. It's a standard procedure. I'm not interested in fraudulent funds However and unfortunately, they are always people who will find ways to scam you. Even on Localbitcoins.com where people are fully verified with double selfie (I have my own account there fully verified - Mr Busy I already gave you my account). If you want to start that game to post identities here, let's go. You can start with that now. I have enough evidence in hands that lead to you in person in CHINA. It shouldn't be a secret for you now. You said I'm threatening you? Aren't you the one who started this? I'm ready for that step if you want. I have no problems with that.

3. So your corrupted friend bankers open bank accounts for people just by seeing what they sell on ebay?? because that's all what was asked. no KYC right? standard procedure right?   Continue to hide yourself between few words and few screenshots.
You are VIP customer?? LOLLLL So you have your own VIP bank accounts in USA, in CHINA, in EUROPE and everywhere in this world right? and because you are such a VIP customer, you can just make a call and let them open any bank account lol so you are super VIP in Chicago right? at the same time in UK right? wow you must be BIG lol
And the fact that you and your corrupted bankers wanted to change the email accounts on the paypal accounts to have one @126.com (China domain) or @protonmail.com as main address, that's standard procedure for the VIP right?
This guy had control over the main emails... who knows what this means, will understand. I won't say more. I m sure he will think about something and explain us soon  

4. People are fixed on the expression "I will give you my other account" : first of all, its not forbidden on paypal to have multiple accounts. Who can proof me the opposite, can show me here. This guy had control over my accounts and wanted more. And simply because each account was for him source of imoney. He was selling me BTC, he was making money here by selling his BTC. For every item sold on ebay for example, he was taking a cut.

5. I saw again many times the same question about evidence of 300 USD. I showed few screenshots how we had a discussion. I m writing in english and not in russian right? If you can't understand, then I m sorry. Did you see any objection in our discussion when were discussing about the 300 USD? And why after I have paid the agreed 300 USD, he didn't answer immediately that he changed his mind again and I should send him now all the remaining. Why 2 weeks long, no words exchanged and directly starting make posts here while we had a very easy and fast communication channel? (by the way I just blocked him from Telegram and closed all our channel). He made the choice now to communicate, he can happily continue here. I will try to reply when I have some free time and I see a reason to answer.

I dont know why you are defending him, but I will answer your question

Higher rate is not to encourage him sending GnS from third party, but penalty
Because every time he send me GnS, he just apologize and promise never do it again, but he never learn the lesson

https://imgur.com/PBaWThM
https://imgur.com/kIzroUj

If you compare our screenshots, Naster covered key information showing rate is 30%
I sell him btc for between 10-14.5%, I know he sells his btc on this forum for 20%, so by increasing rate to 30%, that will ensure he will never send me GnS from third party, this is my goal for higher rate, because if he does, that will make him 10% loss

But you see all screenshots Naster takes are redacted, he covered key information, trying to manipulate conversation showing me allow GnS from third party at higher rate, but once I reveal the whole conversation, truth comes out.
I am trying as best as I can to stop him sending GnS from third party

How can you say I was using your paypal accounts when I dont even have password or access to the account, all you sent me was some information and screenshot of your paypal account, which is very common KYC when sell BTC on this forum.
https://imgur.com/uWjD2lz
I requested you to provide me access from teamviewer or VPS to verify the source of fund was from ebay, but you declined it.
So those paypals Naster used to receive GnS from third party were never mine, he had access and manage all transactions on his laptop.


It is funny his long post of evidences are most about me providing bank account to his paypal, he is jumping to the conclusion I will hide it, which I already disclosed this to another member's question before him

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Seems like he cant find any evidence he is just pulling lot of screenshot that proves nothing


Another desperate move, he is avoiding the fundamental question about he is selling dirty fund rather than attack me
Bank allows me to open multiple accounts because I am their VIP customer, once your company reaches certain level of income you get private bank manager and priority to open new account oversea, because I export lot to different countries, I only over used my privilege to help others to open accounts faster and easier

He also sent me life threat on my telegram, which I am not afraid of him.

I understand from all conversations that they both working together and now when something happen one of parts start complaining and not want anymore agree, and i also see that busy say if again happen send via good and family fee will be higher which means busy start take fee first time from Naster and not opposite.

@busy124 I'm sorry for your loss.  I hope naster comes around and makes things right for you.

@naster I'm sorry for your loss also, and I'm sorry you find yourself in this situation.  I can't help but think that finding yourself here was just a matter of "when" not "if."  You've been at this trading thing for quite some time, apparently.  I can only assume this is not the first time someone has charged-back a PayPal payment to you.  It seems like it's far too common when mixing PayPal with crypto.

Having said that, why on earth would you exacerbate the risk by letting others send PayPal to your vendors/clients on your behalf?  That's just asking for trouble.  How well do you know these clients who you've had send payments on your behalf?  Was this the first time you dealt with the client who sent payment to busy124?  Not that it really matters, because it's my belief that you are responsible for this transaction.  You made the agreement and arrangement with busy124, so that makes it your responsibility to honor the agreement.

Engaging in any business deals comes with inherent risks.  If you are unable or unwilling to mitigate those risks, then you must assume the risks and not expect your customers to suffer a loss that's attributable to your risky behavior.  There's nothing in your trading thread that indicates otherwise.  You did not mention in your trading thread that the risk of charge-backs is to be beard by the recipient of PayPal funds.  You did not mention that you will be contracting with others to send the PayPal payments on your behalf, and that those funds are at risk of being charged back.

Furthermore, suchmoon makes a very valid point about defrauding PayPal.  I know they are huge corporation that can afford to absorb some fraudulent behavior, and may not garnish any sympathy (especially from the crypto crowd,) but that's not an excuse to engage in fraud.  By your own admission you have multiple PayPal accounts, which is a violation of their terms of use.  You seem to have no reservations about "dropping the account" and moving on to another.  Some of us who use PayPal for legitimate purchases and sales, and have provided them with our real KYC documents do not have that luxury.  Just the fact that you made such a suggestion displays a lack of honesty and integrity.

I have a feeling this situation will hurt you much more than you think if you decide not compensate busy124 for his remaining losses.  By not making things right you risk losing far more business in the future, and therefor more money than what this would be costing you.

Best of luck to both parties involved.

I was willing to give you a fair shake here but you provided zero evidence of an "agreement." Shifting the blame to either your client or us does not absolve you of your responsibility to complete your end of a deal.