Topic: Naster is scam selling dirty paypal fund - page 2. (Read 1100 times)

You again avoided answering a couple of simple questions so I'll take that as a confirmation that my feedback is factual:

1) You received $725 worth of BTC and paid only $300 for it.
2) You suggested that your partner should "drop" the account, i.e. defraud PayPal.


Making such threats makes you look more like a scammer, not less.

"better I give you an other account" -> I had deals with him where he was using my old paypal accounts.

I see people here acting just like they never used bitcoin for paypal. Even some of those writing here used the service already several times. That's pathetic.

From now, I will not make any more comment on this.

I'm done with this topic.

You are all free to engage in discussion with the OP.

I had an agreement with this guy, all was clear if you followed the discussion. I paid him what was agreed and I will give him nothing more.

This guy was working in HongKong and in few european countries with some corrupted bankers to open bank accounts, while he has is own called "Master account" in HSBC in Hong Kong (all information are available).
I will expose you fully if you continue telling bullshit about me and you and me know how your country CHINA will react on it.

https://imgur.com/5ZAgkLG
It is legal, because bank account was registered under paypal account holders name, that is why I asked him to provide data and screenshot of his paypal page
You can ask your accountant to register a company or bank account in a foreign country without your present

Well this is your point. Did you know that use your bank account on another paypal accounts and not on your own paypal account is against paypal terms and policy?

And one more thing, i don't see where you ask him 725 usd?

It is a long post, so i am making a conclusion
His screenshot proves our deal was cleaning FnF send from his own paypal account to my paypal or transfer to my bank

point 2 and 3: Felix and Salvador paypal are business paypal account that get payment from ebay or the ads income, they belong to Naster, I can provide more screenshots to prove he send me data to verify those are his paypal accounts, you can see he also send me screenshot of his ebay, sometime i verify the legitimacy of his paypal source.
so I dont have access to those 2 account, Naster is using his own paypals to collect payment from his clients on this.
https://imgur.com/DqRoTBW
https://imgur.com/rQ1vxNR

point 8. the screenshot from Russian payment proves, I was against him sending GnS from third party, he also made that promise not to do that again, but he kept using my paypal to test potential dirty payment from third party behind my back

So here you go, this the last time I cant tolerate his shady business anymore

All his screenshots proves my points

Seeing how they juggle multiple PayPal accounts and bank accounts and try to "drop" negative PayPal accounts after withdrawing the funds... I would disagree. The whole thing looks scammy AF.

I read through everything. You don't have a screenshot of him agreeing to accept $300 as repayment in full instead of $725?

A couple things here:

1. This looks like an extremely risky, somewhat shady business all the way around, and it seems like the only winner here is usually PayPal.

2. You have an online reputation at the forum and he doesn't, which definitely helps your case, but you haven't provided any evidence thus far that he agreed to take only $300 instead of $725.

Nothing else really matters here.

I don't know why he would ever accept a payment that wasn't F&F, but that's not the root of the issue: the root of the issue is you took $725 worth of BTC from him and only delivered $300.

My take on this for anyone who cares, Naster you are offering a service here. By offering such a service you are guaranteeing the funds. You are making a % from each trade. I'm not seeing the % you are charging for trading in your thread, but i'm sure it's between 10% and 30%.

If you are buying bitcoin and giving Paypal, the Paypal should always be sent from your account on Paypal, NOT from other customers. This makes it where you are the only 1 who has to worry about a chargeback to your account. The person sending you bitcoin should never be at risk by anyone except you. You make that % you charge to cover some of the losses you may incur.

Doing business any other way then what I just described makes your service a huge risk to potential customers.

It's a very simple question. Did you receive $725 worth of Bitcoin from the OP or not?


You both were clearly involved in some shady PayPal shit. It's funny how the part of your conversation after "you already withdrawed ight?" [sic] is missing in your screenshots. That's where you said "better you drop this account I give you an other account free", didn't you? What exactly does this mean? Leaving PayPal holding the bag, right?

It looks like you both were laundering money via PayPal and BTC and you stiffed your "business" partner.


Mods will not close anything. Scams are not moderated.

I don't want say nothing but on a simple search on google with words masternaster paypal appears this website first

https://www.aspkin.com/forums/members/-masternaster.html


and after this ads  https://www.aspkin.com/forums/account-services/119895-buy-here-bitcoin-your-stealth-paypal-quick-easily.html

which means there people not use own paypal but stealth to buy bitcoin with (so not so legal ways at least on that website), so maybe the truth is somewhere on the middle.

Finally I found some time to come here and reply to these shameless accusations.

But before let me comment few reactions so far:


Good question asked. As far as I remember, this was the second time this happened. If I'm a scammer like he is saying, he should have stopped to work with me by that time.
I was reviewing few of our early chats, we have been probably 1year+ working together, and almost daily communication through Telegram , in the past sometimes in skype.
For those who know Paypal, they know that Paypal is sometimes incalculable. Based on some activities on your account, they can decide any time to close your account and even at their own refund payments and mark it as "unauthorized" even if they were. It's not easy to deal with this company for sure.
This guy is BTC seller, he was selling me BTC and in exchange I was giving PAYPAL.  Due to the high volume he was requesting, I was giving him sometimes funds from my other customers (customers that I had previously verified) and it was not a secret. He knew about that. Of course, he will decline this now.
Not just that, he was sometimes giving me bank accounts where my customers could pay and withdraw to his bank accounts, charging me some fees. And of course, he won't tell that      (I come back to this topic shortly).



We came to this agreement for following reason: one customer sent many small payments to his account. Few days later, these payments have been reversed by PAYPAL. Trying one more time to solve together  this issue, I asked him if he already withdrew the money before this happened. Short story, he moved out already a part and part was left. We agreed that I should get back his paypal account to positive to fix this issue. What I did few days later.
The guy who scammed had sent me around 7-8k paypal balance, almost all has been reversed and I was in short of funds by that time. So it took me few days to send the payment of 300 USD (screenshots following). Normally I have some preventing measures for this by checking few things in accounts of customers, unfortunately these days I had a such overload of work and I missed few checks and this caused me this high loss. And of course, this is not the reason, we just made an arrangement for this case and as always I fulfilled my part.
It could have said "NO, I just dont want you to pay me 300 USD etc.." and I'm very sure I would have fixed the issue with him. Other were affected by this incident and so far nobody complaining here. It should mean what it means.


 
Very funny   so his only goal here is to "defraud" my reputation for nothing. Good luck with that Mr Busy1234!



Thanks for this comment. Why did he wait so long? I will come back to this shortly.
If this guy dealed with me 1 year+, it can't be a bad sign. But of course, you are free to have your own mind of this.



Mr busy1234 is a Trader. He knew that he were getting also payments from my customers. That wasnt a secret. And I know that he worked also with similar guys.
For example, some of my customers were selling on ebay and used the bank accounts provided by Mr Busy1234 and he was controlling the main emails of these accounts. There are many things I could post here, but I m not interested to get this guy into trouble. As these informationcould lead to his person there in China. Therefore to protect his privacy, I won't post too much screenshots here. But I reserve the right to do it.



You keep repeating yourself. Who said "go and defraud PayPal?" Do you know he was working? Then let me tell you: he gets Paypal funds on his paypal account (he was giving me several accounts to be loaded every day with around 300-400 USD each). Once he had the money, he was simply withdrawing to his multiple bank accounts. Therefore, when this happened, I asked him if he had already moved out the funds so I can see what to do next to fix this ASAP. Just don't sit on one single argument - that you didn't even properly understand - to judge me. Seems you are more excited by your red trust than anything else. If so, Here you go, enjoy you Power to give red trust then.



ok enough. Back to the topic with few screenshots.
We have been in communication almost daily and this since 1 year+ through Telegram (direct chat + our working group) + Skype in the past. If I have to review all these conversations, probably I wouldnt be done within 1 week.
So I reviewed quickly few things and took few screenshots. Also as said, I will not post any information that could lead back to Mr busy as we exchanged also such information.

1.


here Mr Busy informed about the incident.
a)He asked if this payment was from my own account, as he knows that my customers send him also. So I replied. And see the reaction after my response. If it was really new to him, he would have started complaining at that point with things like "Why did you let your customer send to me? etc etc"
b) my first reaction was to ask here if he moved out the funds already. Some are happy to call this "defraud paypal".


2.


As said, he was providing me also bank accounts to be used with some paypal accounts, where he was controlling the email accounts. So after this incident, he wanted me to remove the last account that was still in use. I was receiving there ads payment from a customer. Again he was aware.
By the way, I saw where he was saying that I dont have money. This guy was putting me pressure to send him more and more paypal and for more fees because "bank is asking more money". Therefore I had to reduce the volume, I have many other btc sellers with competitive rates.  Not just that, he was very discourteous. Thus, I reduced a lot the traffic to him. I still have good volume of sales but I m not here for that discussion.


3.

As I was saying, he was managing also the ebay funds of some customers with his accounts.


4.
They were time where I had enough paypal funds for him, and he couldnt accept the payments because of issues with his bank accounts.
See this discussion:




5.
Here we had already concluded that I will pay just the 300 USD  so we close this incident.








6.
Finally I paid



And this was my last communication with him since.


7.
Here an old discussion we had about 2 of my own accounts (because he is saying I never did IPTV or whatever)



8.
Here I found an old discussion from the 24th July 2019 about a payment made by a russian customer who was running a legit business:








9.
Here again:



I repeat this was my last communication with him since.
I m very surprised that after few weeks passed, he who was having almost daily communication with me, just comes here to start with accusations.
What is his real motivation finally? May be a good way (really good?) to attract some paypal customers using my name over his newbie account. Why not ))) but in my opinion the wrong way to do it.
Anyway good luck with your new sales.


I hope I provided enough information to the community and the mods needed to close this case ASAP.

Thank you everyone!

It's not abuse.  It's customary for DT members to neg someone when there's a scam accusation made against them that looks to have some merit to it, which is what happened here.  I'm pretty sure nobody would have a problem removing their red trust against you if you convince them you didn't scam OP.

I agree with you there, though it's currently the only way I have to buy bitcoin at a reasonable price and I'm sure I'm not the only one in that situation.  It kind of sucks that services like Circle no longer exist, ones that make it easy to buy and sell bitcoin with a bank account.

Yep.  I don't know how many times I've heard similar statements like that, but nevertheless I hope this gets resolved to the satisfaction of both parties.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2417495.180
you can find most answers in this post

I didnt know it was from third party, that is why I was so angry when I found out, and he apologized and promised no more third party payment

The terms was simple clean paypal fund from his own accounts send as FnF
he did request to send as GnS few times but I refused it, we all know FnF is safer and GnS is just too much trouble and could kill my account

I had few paypals to receive payments from him, also I provided him bank accounts to link to his paypal to make bank transfer, because i cant get USA or european paypal, that requires SSN, so I just give him bank account to link to his own paypal that he used to run his shops.
But in the end, if he wants to receive GnS from his shops or third party payment, he has to use his own paypal to collect payment and transfer to my paypal as FnF or to my bank accounts.

Before tag Naster and accuse of scam, can you post all terms you agreed to work with?

And on all your transcations you made with Naster over the years you used same paypal account?

And you know that paypal money come from 3rd party and not directly from Naster?

If you want to paint me this, that i am using this to blackmail you, I already said in your thread I dont care about that money anymore, you can keep it, even if you pay me back now this is not going away, your accusation stays.

This guy is full of bullshit, when we start exchange he kept telling me he can buy $5k per day, but in the end he merely did $400 per day, and still having trouble for that small amount, I understand that, a lot people brag about their business to negotiate better deal, and now you are doing 100k a day and too busy to save your reputation?

He said he lost $7k to a third party in this scam and paid from his own pocket
this is very shady, as my account was only $600 in negative, then you asked me to drop that account and defraud paypal, when you are paying thousands to keep your own account alive? or this is just another lie you want to play as victim again

see why i kept forgiving him every time he made shady transfer, he always cry he lost much more, thousands $, then I became soft, ok ok give him another chance to save his business and lost.

I dont want to post our conversation here anymore since he is implying my evidence is invalid that i deleted chat to manipulate our conversation

Its quite common that everyone is busy with with their works but when its a matter of reputation then i think its better to put concentration on solving rather than ignoring. If you have enough confidence about your service then you should provide proper screenshots/evidence to prove OP wrong.  

Hope you will find enough time to take a look on your chat history which will help us to reach on final decision about this accusation.  

The OP posted a few screenshots that show you telling them to defraud PayPal. You paid back only $300 of disputed $725. Both solid reasons for red trust.

Well I don't know what went behind the scenes with you guys , but did you at any point informed  busy124   that the funds are coming in from a 3d party and there's a risk that the money might be disputed ? Did he agree to this ?    Cause I'm quite sure no one would really agree in this conditions .

But anyway , waiting to see more relevant proofs , conversations etc.

I have been in contact with this guy certainly now for 1 year+
To take screenshots, I need to go trough a lot of conversation, Telegram direct, telegram group, even skype, possible some he deleted etc.
I takes time that I dont have now, sorry.
Please understand that I m busy with other work.
These accusations are simply ridiculous and I will not abandon now my work for that. This can wait, I dont have pressure. I did nothing wrong.