Topic: NastyPoP vs Standard P2Pool (Read 17708 times)

Well... I've been running this test for over a year.  Friday (Yep, Christmas) will mark the full year for both miners on OgNasty's nodes.  Looking back through the data, one can clearly see some pretty wild swings in the variance.  Overall?  Not too bad, even with some pretty awful luck streaks.  Unless there's a Christmas miracle this week, standard p2pool payouts will have proven the most profitable by a slim margin.  The OP is updated with the totals and the raw data has been uploaded as well.

I've re-pointed all my miners now to the US node with the original EU node as failover, works well.
I start by saying thank you to jonnybravo0311. You are doing excellent work testing.

2 weeks worth of data this time because last week wasn't worth the effort to post as p2pool found no blocks whatsoever.  However, even though there were no blocks found last week, I still received a payout from NastyPoP because of the seat donations that are incorporated into the weekly payouts.  Numbers are below:

10/23 - 10/30
NastyPoP: 0.00647901BTC
NastyP2P: 0BTC
Expected: 0.02531252BTC
Luck - 0%

10/30 - 11/6
NastyPoP: 0.02516974BTC
NastyP2P: 0.02863589BTC
Expected: 0.02488117BTC
Luck - 99.8%

OP updated

Yeah, I'm behind.  The real world has kept me busy and this is really the first time I've sat down to do the data.  The data is below; however, unlike in previous updates I'm not going to update the OP with the details.  I'll just leave it up to the graphs and raw data from the spreadsheet to provide the updates in the OP.  Eventually I'm not going to be able to add any more text to the first post anyway, so I might as well just start condensing it now.

In the past 6 weeks, things have been up and down for p2pool.  The luck stats would seem to indicate that as well.  Weeks of 9/18, 9/25, and 10/9 were below average expected luck, while the weeks of 10/2, 10/16 and 10/23 were above average.  As for my miners, they've tended to mirror that trend as well.  However, of note is that my miner on the NastyPoP payout has pretty much consistently (only 1 week in 6 that it didn't) beaten the standard p2pool payout.

9/11 - 9/18
NastyPoP: 0.01749809BTC
NastyP2P: 0.01594801BTC
Expected: 0.02704454BTC
Luck - 64.05%

9/18 - 9/25
NastyPoP: 0.02153287BTC
NastyP2P: 0.0122369BTC
Expected: 0.02610505BTC
Luck - 97%

9/25 - 10/2
NastyPoP: 0.04509658BTC
NastyP2P: 0.04937384BTC
Expected: 0.02598755BTC
Luck - 197.69%

10/2 - 10/9
NastyPoP: 0.01134903BTC
NastyP2P: 0.00951317BTC
Expected: 0.02547065BTC
Luck - 57.71%

10/9 - 10/16
NastyPoP: 0.02790957BTC
NastyP2P: 0.02483293BTC
Expected: 0.02546511BTC
Luck - 133.15%

10/16 - 10/23
NastyPoP: 0.03667461BTC
NastyP2P: 0.02703798BTC
Expected: 0.02544111BTC
Luck - 185.08%

OP updated with latest numbers

It's been a few weeks since I've updated this post.  Unfortunately work has kept me too busy to keep up here.  P2Pool had a couple unlucky weeks and a lucky week.  Network difficulty has continued to increase, and new hardware has been introduced, making my S3s that much closer to being obsolete.  Quite honestly, I'm not sure how much longer I'm going to keep them plugged in and mining.  The new S7 certainly looks to be an interesting piece of hardware, bringing levels of efficiency never seen before in a 28nm process ASIC.  However, its price point is a bitter pill to swallow.

Anyway, let's take a look at the numbers for the past few weeks:

8/21 - 8/28
NastyPoP: 0.01170063BTC
NastyP2P: 0.02753223BTC
Expected: 0.02857788BTC
Luck - 54.07%

8/28 - 9/4
NastyPoP: 0.0455039BTC
NastyP2P: 0.04888988BTC
Expected: 0.02846873BTC
Luck - 180.68%

9/4 - 9/11
NastyPoP: 0.01466154BTC
NastyP2P: 0.00815205BTC
Expected: 0.02719480BTC
Luck - 63.24%

OP Updated

NastyPoP is a ckpool front end running on top of the core P2Pool.  It proxies all PoP miners as one address to P2Pool, and then it keeps track of shares and pays out weekly.   It aims to be a more even distribution method to smooth out the variance spikes as well as make sure smaller miners receive proper payouts when they may otherwise not land a share in the current block payout. 

Over a long term the numbers should converge and in reality the expectation is that PoP should come out ahead in the long run.

When the normal P2Pool has a good week it ends up higher, when its luck is down PoP ends up higher.  The long term numbers from Johnny however, I don't know why it's still a little off.

any insights or particular reason why the regular p2p is more than pop & both of them are p2p ?

Another good week for p2pool, and as a result, p2pool standard payouts have exceeded expectations over the length of the test.  This week's results put my standard p2pool earnings at 101.08% of expected from 12/26 until 8/21.  NastyPoP isn't too far behind, but it is behind nonetheless.  It's overall results show I have received 94.81% of expected earnings.

Here are the numbers:

8/14 - 8/21
NastyPoP: 0.03640067BTC
NastyP2P: 0.04331323BTC
Expected: 0.02939197BTC
Luck - 138.27%

OP updated.

It only affected the NastyPoP nodes for the vast majority of the few days.  The NastyP2P nodes were only down for a few hours.

DNS issues with the domain provider took the nodes offline.

P2Pool's luck certainly turned around this past week.  Both NastyPoP and NastyP2P beat expectations by quite a bit.  NastyPoP would have done better, but it appeared that the nodes were down last weekend.  My miner failed over to a backup pool.  I'm not sure why the pool was down (both OgNasty's and TheAnalogKid's NastyPoP nodes were offline), but the result is that the payout was less than it should have been given the number of blocks p2pool found.

8/7 - 8/14
NastyPoP: 0.03914884BTC
NastyP2P: 0.07990332BTC
Expected: 0.02941349BTC
Luck - 241.06%

OP updated.

Well... a lousy week for p2pool - only finding 2 blocks and having 55.38% luck overall.  Neither of my miners made anywhere near expected payouts as a result.  NastyPoP did manage to do better than standard p2pool, though.  Here are the numbers:

7/31 - 8/7
NastyPoP: 0.01487946BTC
NastyP2P: 0.01145337BTC
Expected: 0.02962897BTC
Luck - 55.38%

OP updated.

Exactly like that.   

Something akin to this?

That is awesome.  Thanks for doing that!

If I were to make a suggestion...  You could have the data listed as a running total on the graph so that you can see the end result over time.

So... here's the chart of the current data set (from 12/26 - 7/31):



I've updated the OP to include it as well.  Also, I have some errors in my data on the OP... math errors mostly because I'm an idiot and did everything by hand previously, but have now dumped it all into an Excel spreadsheet .  I'll fix the OP eventually, but as of now, here's the correct data:



Here's the spreadsheet if anyone wants it:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/vv7r7ejq2pquynl/pop_vs_p2p.xlsx?dl=0

I don't have any particular pools in mind.  I thought you have been doing this so long, a chart and some other pools might take it to the next level.  I'm great at giving other people suggestions with stuff to do. 

I suppose I could make some pretty charts/graphs/whatever... or I could just supply the data and let those who are far more inclined at such tasks take it and run.  As for including other pools, I had considered it.  However, I've not decided which pools I'd compare.  There was a thread on here last year where somebody was comparing p2pool to Eligius and GHash.io (I think), but that thread ran its course and I'm not sure if the author is even still mining - all of his data was based on S1s on those pools.  There's another guy who's doing his own comparison of different pools here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitcoin-pools-payout-rates-experiment-real-miners-tablegraph-results-1059040.  I'd love to give him my data points so he could include the results of NastyPoP and standard p2pool in his comparisons, but he hasn't really seemed too interested in it.

Are there any pools in particular you'd like to see added?  I'd prefer to stay away from the big ones (AntPool, Discus Fish) because I don't believe in adding any more hashing power (albeit rather minuscule in comparison to their totals) to the two largest pools - both of which use software that has caused a forked chain when BIP66 went into effect and mine empty blocks, even with thousands of transactions waiting to be confirmed.

It is cool to see the updates.  Thanks for keeping this going so long!  Any chance for a pretty chart to look at?  Have you thought about expanding this to include some other pools as well?

Apparently I've been slacking ... 3 weeks behind.  Sheesh.  Overall, p2pool is on the upward side of a good luck swing.  The week ending 7/17 was a bad week at only 72% luck, but the last 2 weeks p2pool made up for it.  This week shows p2pool at over 130% luck and the past 30 days, p2pool is over 105%.  In the past couple of weeks, with the good luck, NastyPoP has beaten standard p2pool payouts.  Even with luck over 130% this week, standard payouts didn't even meet expected earnings.  Here are the numbers for the past three weeks:

7/10 - 7/17
NastyPoP - 0.02054230BTC
NastyP2P - 0.02884854BTC
Expected - 0.03493028BTC
Luck - 71.40%

7/17 - 7/24
NastyPoP - 0.04771791BTC
NastyP2P - 0.04040042BTC
Expected - 0.03465856BTC
Luck - 162.79%

7/24 - 7/31
NastyPoP: 0.04298881BTC
NastyP2P: 0.03145364BTC
Expected: 0.03401418BTC
Luck - 134.83%

OP updated.