Topic: NastyPoP vs Standard P2Pool - page 2. (Read 17728 times)

And another week of poor luck has passed us by.  A lot of things happened recently... adoption of BIP66, p2pool upgrade to 14.x, "stress tests", and so on.  I'm not trying to insinuate these things caused the bad luck, but we've certainly had a number of things thrown at us all at once.  At least the blocks that p2pool did mine this week contained transactions, unlike our friends over in China who have the vast majority of the BTC network's hash rate.  Tens of thousands of transactions waiting to confirm, and they're sill pumping out empty blocks.

Here are the numbers:

7/3 - 7/10
NastyPoP - 0.02039533BTC
NastyP2P - 0.02521461BTC
Expected - 0.030289BTC
Luck - 71.40%

OP updated.

Oops... I guess I forgot to update the thread last week.  I captured the numbers, but never posted.  So, this week I'll give the numbers from both last week and this.  P2Pool had a run of bad luck these past few weeks, which offset the previous few weeks of good luck.  As such, the numbers reflect the luck.

On another side note: if you haven't already done so, and you run your own p2pool node, update it to the latest version.  See the posts in the official p2pool thread upgrade announcement.

So, here are the numbers for the past couple weeks:

6/19 - 6/26
NastyPoP - 0.02159208BTC
NastyP2P - 0.0193531BTC
Expected - 0.030107BTC
Luck - 60.76%

6/26 - 7/3
NastyPoP - 0.02828584BTC
NastyP2P - 0.01623161BTC
Expected - 0.030263BTC
Luck - 81.3%

OP updated

Just another weekly update... p2pool's good luck streak came crashing to a halt these past 7 days.  Oh, and retrocalc.net needs some loving... the calculations are nowhere near correct (noticed it last week, and it's still going on).  The standard p2pool payout beat NastyPoP, but neither of them met the expected earnings:

NastyPoP - 0.01964088BTC
NastyP2P - 0.02788807BTC
Expected - 0.030107BTC
Luck - 65.12%

OP updated

Another week gone by.  P2Pool had another good week, and both of the S3s beat expectations.  NastyPoP couldn't pull off a fifth week in a row beating standard payouts, but it was close.  Here are the numbers:

NastyPoP - 0.04351160BTC
NastyP2P - 0.04518917BTC
Expected - 0.03144BTC
Luck - 122.76%

OP updated

I've just gotten back from a much needed vacation where I had virtually zero access to anything online.  Unfortunately, I didn't capture the luck values, but here are the numbers for the past two weeks:

5/22 - 5/29
NastyPoP - 0.04249927BTC
NastyP2P - 0.03263267BTC
Expected - 0.0307BTC

5/29 - 6/5
NastyPoP - 0.03711295BTC
NastyP2P - 0.03414086BTC
Expected - 0.0312BTC

Both NastyPoP and NastyP2P beat expectations over the past two weeks, and the NastyPoP payout method has now beaten the standard p2pool payouts for the past four weeks.

OP updated.

Been a good couple of weeks for P2Pool/NastyPoP miners. 

Well, it appears the forums are finally back up after the ordeal of the past few days.  Thankfully I recorded the numbers on Friday .  In other news, my S3 on NastyPoP began misbehaving this weekend.  After nearly a year of operation at a rock steady 440GH/s, it now shows a couple chips with either "x" or "-", resulting in a hash rate of no higher than 400GH/s sustained.  I'm not too happy about it, but since it has long since paid for itself, it is what it is.  It is a batch 1 S3, and as we all know electronics don't last forever.

In an attempt to salvage things, I'm going to down clock both S3s from the standard 218.75 step by step until I find something stable.

So... how about the numbers from the week?  Well, p2pool had the luckiest week we've had since the test started at 182.64% of expectations.  We also see here the drastic effect variance can have on the standard p2pool miner.  With my S3 on the NastyP2P payout, I saw an unfortunately high number of orphaned shares, which resulted in abysmal earnings.  Orphans happen - it's a fact of life mining on p2pool.  This is where mining in the collective NastyPoP benefits you.  Your orphaned share has a far smaller impact on the whole than it does if you're on your own.  The numbers clearly show this, insofar as even with the great pool luck, my S3 mining on NastyP2P didn't even meet expected numbers for the week.

Here are the results:

5/15 - 5/22
NastyPoP - 0.05258228BTC
NastyP2P - 0.03171723BTC
Expected - 0.032BTC
Luck - 182.64%

OP updated

Last week p2pool found a block seconds after the payout from NastyPoP and I stated then that it would impact this week's luck numbers because I didn't catch the value before that block was found.  This week, the 7 day luck looks to be 84.97%, so if we average out the two numbers, we get 106.41%.

In terms of the miners, my S3 on the standard NastyP2P payout went on strike apparently, finding very few shares, and hence the payouts were lower than expected.  As usual, the miner on NastyPoP was much less variant.  Here are the numbers for the week:

5/8 - 5/15
NastyPoP - 0.03472755BTC
NastyP2P - 0.02216391BTC
Expected - 0.0325BTC
Luck - 84.97%

OP updated

Well, p2pool did much better this week with seven day luck of 127.84%.  Also, in the closest race since I've been doing this, p2pool found a block at almost exactly 19:00 UTC.  Looks like it will be included in next week's payout run as it just missed the cutoff by a few seconds.  Because I didn't get to this post until after that block was found, it's influence in the luck is already there... so this week's and next week's luck values might be a bit off because of it.  Like I wrote... it was seconds after the 19:00 cutoff that the block was found.  Both miners beat expected earnings.  NastyPoP was only 101.35%, whereas NastyP2P was 167.63%.

At any rate, here are this week's numbers:

5/1 - 5/8
NastyPoP - 0.03294026BTC
NastyP2P - 0.05447989BTC
Expected - 0.0325BTC
Luck - 127.84%

OP updated

Another week and p2pool's luck was not so good at just under 60%.  Only 3 blocks were found and as a result both NastyPoP and NastyP2P were below expected values.  Here are the numbers:

4/24 - 5/1
NastyPoP - 0.02111442BTC
NastyP2P - 0.02415729BTC
Expected - 0.0325BTC
Luck - 59.99%

OP updated

That's what I like to see!

trendax and OgNasty, it's my pleasure.  I'm a big proponent of p2pool mining.  I've been running my own node for over a year, and have spent many hours helping others in the p2pool threads.  OgNasty and nonnakip are the only ones who have actually stepped up and done something to address the shortcomings experienced in your typical p2pool setup.  Small miners now have a chance to contribute to the decentralized nature of p2pool without suffering the terrible variance mining on a standard node provides.

And with that, let's take a look at the numbers from this past week:

4/17 - 4/24
NastyPoP - 0.05554895BTC
NastyP2P - 0.05281205BTC
Expected - 0.0321BTC
Luck - 165.47%

P2Pool was considerably luckier this week than it was the week prior and both my S3s performed better than expected.  The edge went to NastyPoP this week, but just barely.  Again, you can see the inherent variance in standard p2pool mining as my block payouts ranged from 0.01BTC down to 0.001BTC, since my S3 decided to go on a share finding strike .

OP updated

+1

I think this thread has done as much to bring awareness to NastyPool as anything.  He also highlighted a few shortcomings with NastyPool that have been and are continuing to be addressed.  I thank jonnybravo0311 for these things as well.

jonnybravo0311, just wanted to say thanks for maintaining this long running comparison. Great job. 

You're absolutely right about the earnings.  When I saw the transaction notification I thought it might have been some faucet payout and didn't even think it would be from NastyPoP seat donations.  I'll amend the numbers to reflect the payout.

Actually you did earn 0.00028594 BTC mining on NastyPoP last week. NastyPoP miners split the earnings of 300 NastyFans seats as a bonus in addition to mined coins. That amount is currently not terribly exciting, but this does highlight the fact that NastyPoP miners will earn BTC even if p2pool doesn't find any blocks.

8 days and 7 hours.  That's how long it's been since p2pool found a block.  In other words, this week's numbers are a big fat goose egg.  On the bright side, it's the very first week of the test that both NastyP2P and NastyPoP paid exactly the same .

4/10 - 4/17
NastyPoP - 0.00028594BTC
NastyP2P - 0BTC
Expected - 0.0313BTC
Luck - 0%

OP updated

EDIT: As OgNasty pointed out, I did in fact receive a payout from NastyPoP.  Even though no blocks were found, because NastyPoP payouts include the donations from 300 seats, I got some BTC.

Thanks nonnakip, that would be a nice visual addition to the graphs to see.  Hopefully you'll be able to get to it

Made it through another week and here are the numbers:

4/3 - 4/10
NastyPoP - 0.02866930BTC
NastyP2P - 0.03528256BTC
Expected - 0.0318BTC
Luck - 113.4%

OP updated

The graphs do not show dead shares. They do show orphaned shares. This does not help you. I add this feature to my list of "to do".

Another week in the books.  P2Pool itself was close to 100% luck, and the NastyPoP payouts were almost exactly expected earnings.  My NastyP2P miner had a lucky streak and made more than expectations.  Here are the numbers:

3/27 - 4/3
NastyPoP - 0.03301631BTC
NastyP2P - 0.05550941BTC
Expected - 0.0332BTC
Luck - 97.55%

OP updated