Topic: [neㄘcash, ᨇcash, net⚷eys, or viᖚes?] Name AnonyMint's vapor coin? - page 26. (Read 95279 times)

Do you think a coin design should be worried with quantum resistance, and if yes, does your design offer quantum-resistance / quantum-proofing? Is there any viable solution to be QC-resistant and not bloated at the same time?

I know, and I'm looking forward to your coin, and follow-up biopic. However, I have more immediate needs right now than I think you can be helpful with.

Yes I did and it isn't any of the names mentioned in this thread. You might be able to deduce it from the rough sketch of a brainstorming idea for a logo I did upthread.


Btw, thanks for all the feedback and help on brainstorming names upthread.

Hey man, still reading...just not posting as its way above my paygrade I saw your quick/draft logo, did you decide on a name for your project? (I might of missed you talking about it).

Understand that I am working on a new concept for unprofitable PoW mining, in which it is not critical that that the PoW hashrate for phones be at par with anything; they will still add to the total systemic hashrate which makes my design more secure.

Note that it would be problematic if phones are 100X slower or less efficient on the PoW than desktops.

Hmmmm . . . just reading that iPhones have had AES hardware since the iPhone 5S . . . although I'm reading that the AES chip sits between the flash and the main CPU - perhaps meaning it can only be used to encrypt/deprypt data going to/from the flash. If not, perhaps iPhones could be used for efficient mining . . memorycoin, cryptonight, maybe HODLCoin soon enough

Because your master smooth has been regularly censoring my posts in your Monero Speculation thread. And he tried to convince GingerAle to censor some of my posts in the Monero Technical Improvement thread. So to be safe (since it is difficult to copy them from PMs after they are deleted), I copy them to my thread to exemplify how ridiculous it is that you all are censoring crap and forcing me to put Monero discussion in my thread instead of the official Monero threads.

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In our prior discussion about Bitshares, I explicitly excluded smart contracts and IoT. I had agreed with smooth that Daniel Larimer's DACs (Decentralized Autononomous Corporations) seem to have no application to reality, because a corporation by definition is a hierarchical structure. If corporations are not hierarchical (and not with a representative voting structure), then we don't need corporations and we can just have decentralized individuals interacting via smart contracts on a block chain. Please review the posts I made in that Nxt thread to confirm what I said.


And I even recently explained Monero's block chain tech does not solve the mining Tragedy of the Commons.


It is Z.cash, not Zcoin. Zerocoin was an older version of the technology which is inferior.

My major complaint is that Z.cash will be requiring miners to pay 11% of the coinbase mining rewards to the corporation. That violates FinCEN guidance that would require all miners to register as MSBs and it will incentivize others to fork the block chain to remove the subsidy.

And they do not have my block chain tech so scaling will be an issue, but either they can copy mine (or similar) or vice versa. And my interest in their technology is not for their block chain tech.

Other than that, I am interested in the project.

Note I reserve the right to find other flaws in Zerocash in the future.


Please read how a B-lister behaves and realize comments such as the above fit the description. Elevate your discourse to A-lister if you can.


Not understanding some of key weaknesses of PoS and the hyperbole Bitshares promulgates exemplifies that I was correct about your inexperience. It doesn't mean you can't learn and that you won't sometimes have good insight. I can see some intellect and potential from you, but you need to learn to stop that B-lister crap and distinguish expertise from bullshit.


There you go again. And the adoption of Bitshares is 2 or 3 users? I forgot.

How come you are cross posting from all these different threads into your blog right here?

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The comments from that transcript that stuck out for me are:


I believe the Monero/Aeon folks put a lot of their effort, time, and money into Monero. I sincerely feel empathy for them when reading that. I know from my own failures, how painful it is to have to admit that such enthusiasm didn't work out as planned. Being able to take the axe to the desks as I once did, walk away and start fresh is much more efficient than hanging on to the umbilical cord until the placenta has dried and shrivelled into shoe leather.

It is difficult for me to only feel empathy, because their entire overriding philosophy of dominating a sector by stealingadopting Bytecoin's source code and then bashing in anyone's head who tried to argue that the model of socialism they were adopting for a business model was deeply flawed.

I have now come to the conclusion that these are guys who are smart in coding, and had some experience at running businesses or being contractors related to computer programming but when they hatched this braindead idea of Monero they were trying some idealistic fantasy and out-of-their-competency/experience level. Perhaps some of these guys have contributed to the Linux kernel or otherwise felt they understood open source development and could apply it here. One of the key differences from Linux is that crypto currency serves primarily speculators unless one invents a design to serve actual adoption markets. Linux was competing over the long-term with proprietary OSes and so many businesses had a compelling interest to fund and join in its development.

I have tried to explain to Monero that until they get an adoption market targeted to businesses (given they have no chance in hell of marketing directly to the masses, because their historical experience makes them unqualified), then they will not be able to apply the Linux business model and instead will be in this circle-jerk business model of greater fool, zero-sum speculation community morass that causes them to feel they need to ill-treat other developers and marketers such as myself. The brow beating and censorship on forums will never inspire great innovators to join them.

All-in-all I want to emphasize I don't dislike smooth. He helped me and has been enormously empathetic to my illness. I don't wish any ill will or outcome for him. I just have concluded that he and I have different areas of expertise and experience and so much so that it makes us incompatible when evaluating the best vision for running a crypto project.

You guys spent hours debating me on Monday that corporations have no use for blockchains...  

@TPTB At least we can agree on something... that Zerocash provides superior anonymity. I have been saying this for a long time, and is the reason I never got on the Monero train. I have always said that eventually better anonymity technology would come out and render Monero outdated and useless since it is its one and only feature. I recently bought some Monero because their marketing is on point on this forum (aka spam...), but I am going to be betting big on Zcoin when it is out of alpha.

I know you're going to respond with the "Zcoin is fundamentally flawed" b.s. you say about every cryptocurrency, and follow it up with "I am 100x smarter than you peasant. I have been doing this since 1842, and you are a child, scammer and a fool." However, I am just going to ignore it because you don't understand how cryptocurrencies derive their value, and you can't be convinced that you are wrong about anything. (hint: it does not 100% have to do with the technology of the cryptocurrency... although technology is a plus)

Off the top of my head to return the favor for you not deleting posts and I may be missing a few points:

• zk-snarks can be used to make any script anonymous, not just currency as for CN/RingCT. Businesses will need this.
• Anonymity of Zerocash (ZC) is never compromised by compromising the masterkey, only the coin supply is.
• ZC makes the entire block chain a blob uncorrelated to meta-data, whereas CN/RingCT have distinct UTXO which can be so correlated.
• ZC doesn't require Tor/I2P thus has more degrees-of-freedom and is End-to-End principled, whereas CN/RingCT are not.
• Both ZC and CN/RingCT can lose anonymity or have undetectable increase in coin supply if the crypto is cracked.
• CN/RingCT has the lowest common denominator anonymity which is usually I2P, i.e. maybe 99% vs 99.999% for ZC.
• Businesses will favor the more provable, more End-to-End freedom choice of ZC.
• I think the chance of jail time when using CN/RingCT for any action that the State doesn't want you to do, is very high. The anonymity is not robust, as I summarized above.
• I can't think of any user adoption markets of any significant size of CN/RingCT, other than selling it to speculators. In other words, I view CN/RingCT as just another pump job albeit with some strong developers (who hopefully will get better leadership).
• I am saying that CN/RingCT is not a viable technology. So arguing that it is the best we have for now, IMO doesn't make much sense, unless that is just a sales pitch to speculators (again keeping in mind the Securities Law and the Howey test in the USA and the implications of leading speculators into an investment with misleading prospectus and not registered with the SEC).

Edit: some of those points have finer points of contention. So review the long discussion for that.

For example, in the cases where one needs to use Tor/I2P with ZC, those transactions are often impossible to make anonymous by any means because they involve for example buying a product from a retailer who compiles with government regulations (KYC, etc).

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You are cherry picking points. zk-snarks scripts wasn't my only nor even my main justification.

Afaik, zk-snarks can implement any circuit if one accepts the proving time and verification time (there might also be some other resource constraint such as RAM but I think not), with proving time being much worse than verification time. And one would expect that it can be radically sped up with ASICs to enable more complex circuits to be verified in realistic time!

The point is there are very likely some simple scripts that can surely be done with zk-snarks in realistic times, and which are very useful for businesses interopting on the block chain. IoT is one likely candidate and probably many more.

"build it and they will come after 5 years" is a nice pitch to speculators, but in my line of work I had to produce a marketed product to earn an income. You worked in (programming for) finance (something you acknowledged recently in public post) thus  I assume you never had to do this. So I understand that in for-profit software the mantra is "ship it, sell it", otherwise projects go on and on and on and are never finished.

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You say that zk-snarks can't do any worthwhile scripts, yet an entirely anonymous coin has been implemented it that is superior anonymity than CN/RingCT.

Your stubbornness is the main reason I can't work with you. Leadership requires symbiosis of ideas and directions. It requires vision.

Smooth it is quite evident that open source needs leadership. Direction is not likely to be driven by random contributor (if he was that capable, he would fork or otherwise start his own than battle against the leadership which is not that focused on the direction the contributor wants to go).

Edit: you apparently haven't even yet quantified the metrics, which is pretty lame for a competitor not to do.

Edit#2: perhaps if you all spent less time talking about market movements on the exchanges, and more time doing technical research and marketing research...

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Open source that goes on and on and doesn't full a market thus dies. Right now you are fighting to keep the speculators fooled as that is the only market.

Why the desire to censor? Hiding something? It is not off topic. Technological and marketing analysis go hand-in-hand.

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That made me LOL.  Thanks 'mint.

I had to write this for my private communications, so I will share also publicly.



Note my feces is still alternating between pale brown and dark brown, so the bile obstruction appears to be inconsistent.

Shrikez if ever you invest in something I was involved in or created, it won't be because you admired how I was able to bring a community of speculators together with some developers and manage the group-think circle-jerk.

Rather you will invest because the train is leaving the station and you don't want to be left behind.

Whether that will happen is unknown (or you are free to calculate your own probabilities), but for sure if it happens there won't be any need to argue about whether it will happen. You see I believe only action counts. And as of yet, I don't see any action in altcoins (other than maybe Dogecoin). All I see is people mining each other in a circle-jerk delusion without any viable plan whatsoever on how to achieve actual adoption.

Do not assume I am standing still. I am constantly thinking about clever ways to shock you.

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Okay my bad. Humor is most welcome at this juncture (and even if but not iff I am the butt of the joke).

No it doesn't.

The reason is correctly expressed here.

(...and it doesn't matter if the 'opacity' comes from a brick wall or a cryptographic wall. The inevitability of fraud is the same).

Hi Anonymint,
When you have time, please reply to my previous pm's.
I understand you are busy. I understand you probably receive many.
I understand I am a noob, but a genuine and sincere one.
I appreciate all of your posts. Thank you.
Nicholas

I don't remember. I don't remember who you are. I receive dozens of private messages. I can't imagine I would forget any serious offer to support me financially in my work on crypto. Every such offer I have pursued.

Quote the private messages here in public.


If you can't see who is antagonist in the Monero Speculation thread which preceded my angst here, then nothing I can say can help you be objective.


I have no idea what you are talking about. You sound like another Monero supporter who has gone off the rails of objectivity.

I am contributing right now. If you find facts to be negative, then I think you don't understand the definition of the word productive.


Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. "Good luck"? After you write that ad hominem attack then am I supposed to believe "good luck" is sincere.

What do you expect me to say? You expect me to beg you to understand how I have been treated like shit and thus I am being forceful with facts because smooth is wasting my time PURPOSELY trying to deny the facts (and doing a lot of salesmanship obfuscation PURPOSELY). Do you really think that technology and marketing works like if we are all just cordial when people play nonsense games then everything will just work out dandy because we fuck platitudes for lunch. I tried being cordial in the Monero Speculation thread and I was treated like shit. If you can't see that, then there is nothing I can write to satiate you.

"Ego is for little people. I wish I could finish by saying something anodyne about how we’re all little when you come down to it, but I’d be fibbing. Yeah, we’re all little compared to a supernova, but that’s beside the point. And yeah, the most capable people in the world are routinely humbled by what they don’t know and can’t do, but that is beside the point too. If you look at how humans relate to other humans – and in particular, how they manage self-image and “ego” and evaluate their status with respect to others…it really is different near the top end of the human capability range. Better. Calmer. Sorry, but it’ s true."

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I was threatened and received unfair and spiteful censorship in the two official Monero threads, so I was forced to copy my posts to a thread where the Monero gulag doesn't have the ability to delete my posts.

Seems that troll thread is factually correct on some of the controlling and manipulative tactics employed by the Monero community. I haven't read the entire thread, so I can't say if I agree with everything written there.

If that is your objectivity, I don't see what I could gain from your contribution to my work. Sounds like you would just bog my work down with needless political nonsense. I will never be a bitch to some community political morass. I will stay focused on getting the technology and marketing correct, if I continue in crypto. I have no idea what you all are doing in Monero. Seems like you all excel and put inordinate effort into patting yourselves on the back and boasting about how great you are and how you have the best devs and it is inevitable that you will win the long-term race because you have the best community and all that pumped up ego shit delusion.

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And you were so cordial in your very first post on these forums:


As compared to my very first post roughly a year before yours: