Topic: Need Community Feedback About Exposing Old Accounts (Read 506 times)

Though from my knowledge if account already have tag or probably promoting 1xbit campaign such person don't want the life of other person to save because he already knew the consequences involving so they are to give tags but someone also given them tags based on same situation then i don't think you should give again. Therefore, creating a thread for an account is  not the best rather you can give them red tag and ask for evidence of ownership.

Tbh, I will feel bad but I will not consider my efforts of building my accounts from zero to my present status as a waste. This is because everything isn't about campaign. There is reputation an account that grew from newbie is holding, which a bought account cannot. For instance, if you have $1 million to share randomly in the forum, I am sure I will have a share, which those accounts will not.

That is not my emphasis though, my concern is whether it is acceptable to tag someone for not ranking up or not earning a certain amount of merits within a given time. Has it happened before?


When I look at such lies, I don't need any soothsayer to tell me that they are lies. During my childhood days, my uncle will not punish you for lying, but he will punish you for not lying smartly or reasonably.
Coming up with the grandfather's lie, not even direct Father, kept me amazed at why such format of lies?


A neutral tag is OK for accounts that changed hands, then if the new owner is showing tendencies to scam or spams the forum, it should be tagged.
I am in 100% agreement with what The Cryptovator said.

Why not? Well, let's figure it out. You and the purchased account are applying for a place in the company's signature. But the rank of the purchased account is higher than yours. And they accept him simply by skimming through his latest posts. But you are not accepted, because there are no more places. Then you go to ask why it happened. And you discover for yourself that the account is not so good; there are many inconsistencies in the languages, presence on the forum, change of mail, password, and language, and in general, it is clear that the account has changed its owner.
Are you swallowing injustice and waiting for the next chance? And the scammer, who just bought an account, walks around and boldly declares to everyone that he was ill, that his dad and grandfather died, that he learned five languages and other lies.
But at the same time, he personally does not deceive anyone financially.
Is everyone ready to ignore it? I doubt. If someone does not mark such cases with a negative tag, there will be those who still do everything right.

Be careful when you want to create an account change hand allegation against anyone. Good accounts shouldn't be tagged anyway though bad accounts do not get the tag. Or a neutral tag would be fine if there are doubts. As long as the changed account does not attempt to scam someone and there is no clear evidence, I won't tag them.

Well, I do not want to stress this much, my very concern is that if you really want to help this forum, you can do that sincerely without wasting your time in something that is not obtainable. I have seen that Ratimov reported more than 100,000 spams to moderators and that is real cleasing and passion to keep the forum clean. But your ideology is not resounding if I should be honest.


They deserve a neutral tag for not earning 100 merits or for not ranking up? I'm scared of your judgement though.
If you were theymos, you could shut down the forum for not receiving a merit score for one month.

I like what you are doing, atleast you ask questions and seek opinions when you are not sure of what to do and that is why you are seeing my post on the thread.  You can filter the information and/or opinions available here and decide on what to do going forward. Cheers!

Account trading was an open secret back in the old days. If any account changed hands two-three years ago, It must be a legendary account if the current owner is a good member. But, if the account changed hands in two-three years ago and is unable to rank up or didn't earn more than 100 merits in the last three years. He is a shit poster. At least they deserve a Neutral Tag.

This is not making good sense buddy. Exposing accounts that changed hands two-three years ago? For what reasons please? I am barely one year in this forum and imagine that I came to reputation and see an accusation of account that changed hands 2018. It doesn't worth it.

Well, let me share the reasons why accounts changing hands threads are given credence.

• To avoid transfer of reputation that will likely lead to scam
• To avoid shit posters taking over the account to pollute the forum with shit posts/spams
• To discourage account sales

Apart from the above reasons, I don't think anyone will pay attention to accounts changing hands.
So, if accounts successfully changed hands 2 to 3 years ago, have not scammed and does not show tendencies of scamming and does not shit post, tell me, of what importance is exposing them?

It's not new that accounts that participates in 1xbet promotions on the forum gets negative tag. Somehow, the betting company still continues to gain there customers despite the negative tagging of its promoters and you wonder why? Who are those that still gambles on the betting site?

The truth about these is; a negative tag from a user is simply the users opinion and other users on the forum are subject to there own interpretation. Some might see it as an offence, while others see it as just a promoted sentiment but it's clearly not an offence in the forum and as such, they don't get banned.

Now, account changing hands is still not an offence but, its something worth to warn the forum members about. Of course it would be subject to there own interpretation afterwards but, you still have to do it should you be on point with your provided evidence and sees the need.

That someone has been found on one count, don't mean you should ignore the other counts on the user.
Someone caught plagiarising, spamming, scams and more. The account could be reported on all counts and it would be valid and so, I think that an account have previously been tagged on one offence doesn't have to end there. If others offences are found as well, you can go ahead to create more tags on them. Let the users have there takes on the tags of there choice.

This is a way to discredit and discourage account buying. The question here remains if they should be negatively tagged or given a neutral as its hardly an actual offence.

Report the post, tell the moderator why it needs to be removed and if your report is really good then you will see that some participants will lose their weekly payout for not meeting the post count requirement.

You may soon notice that most altcoin hunters have slightly changed their posting habits to merit some users. Some of them have started eyeing bitcoin signature campaigns and you can guess that it's a bullshit poster that really doesn't deserve a chance. Look how lucky they are to get the opportunity without making a proper contribution to the forum and discussion.

OP, I support you exposing accounts for sale or changing hands, but I personally won't dig into more trash cans under 2021. I tend to be interested in going above them where most of these accounts change hands just to join signature campaigns.

I Revealed my account many times from my other account which is ALT. The funny thing is, This is my main account which was created back in 2020. But, I was unable to post due to an IP ban. A few months ago I got whitelisted. You can check neutral feedback on my account.



Okay. If this is more convenient. I will do it.


Well, personally I do gambling and love to check gambling threads. But, often I see nonsense shit posters randomly comment and their post doesn't make sense. You were one of the guys who fought against account sellers. But, After I see Little Mouse's post. I was shocked.

Today, Hhampuz posted about low-quality posts of his signature campaign participants which is appreciated.


  

Ditto to what YOSHIE said; you don't need to create new threads, but your effort in sniffing out connected accounts would be much appreciated--at least by myself and those who care about the forum.  No doubt there's a ton of alt accounts hiding out in the gambling sections (and I'd be willing to bet even more so in the altcoin ones), and they've basically destroyed the quality of "conversation" going on.

I'd give you a merit or two if I could, but I've been drained dry--so I owe you one, OP.

Sure, but I'll gladly tag any account buyers/sellers who get caught, assuming I notice the thread in which they're exposed.  If anyone wants to PM me with a link to a thread like that, I'd be most appreciative, as I tend to miss them.

This is what I would look for. Find cheaters. 1 could argue that a person who bought an account is already cheating the system, but alt accounts are legal and account sales is technically legal.

I would refrain from digging dirt on nobody accounts IMO. If they have 0 positive trust and are not DT, there's really no point. Just make a thread like the alt accounts thread and post all your findings in 1 place. If an account like say LoyceV was a bought account, then you should most definitely report it and let the community know so we can take action. ( I am just using LoyceV as an example, I am certainly not accusing that account. Users with a large rep on this forum can be used to pull off a huge scam.)

maybe the title "reputed members" sounds a little arrogant.
in your case, where you are talking about accounts that have changed owners, that is not the right word. maybe it would have been previously respectable accounts that trusted members owned.
if such an account has changed owners, I believe it is important for possible future trade with that member.
again, let's not make everything revolve around signature and bounty campaigns. some campaigns will allow participation with multiple accounts, so it doesn't necessarily have to be the main problem.


OP, you already get a suggestion, you need to open a new thread where you will expose all cases. present all the evidence, and DT members will support you for sure. If over time you prove to be reliable in busting traded accounts, you will earn your place in the DT list, so your feedback will be more important.

Why do you fear?
You are allowed to have alts but you should not be too afraid to speak out something that you believe should be spoken. I understand these days some users use their trust feedback as their tool to hostage others but you should not be afraid of it. These days having few negative inspired neutral feedback or even red feedback is kind of prestigious things LOL

Anyway, on topic. As long as these accounts are not involving in any trade they should be fine. Let them lure the advertisers 😂
If they do not pick a good campaign manger then they deserve to have some signature spammers in their campaigns LOL

Make a post in this topic showing why do you think that you are suspecting them with evidence and leave neutral tag for them.

If you look at the signature of a company such as Stake, then there are similar accounts that can be found through one. What's the point? If the manager accepts such accounts for his company, then everything suits him. In addition, you are wasting your time and that of the DT, as they will check on their own. And in the end, even by proving the change of hands, you achieve a neutral tag. For those accounts who bought, stole, or something else, getting a neutral tag does not play any role. 
But if you find such accounts that participate in signature companies with more than one account, then you can catch them and punish them with a negative tag. This, if you are attracted to this type of activity, is more interesting fishing.

By the way, you can reveal your account. Follow the speech.

Accounts can have as many feedbacks as possible, for many or the same reasons (from different members), i.e. if an account has a negative feedback for participating in 1xBet campaign, and you have solid evidence that the account changed hands, then you should leave a feedback that the account changed hands, that will help people who will visit their profile to know that the account changed hands. So long as the reason is different, a member can leave as many feedbacks as possible, what may be stupid to do is leaving more than one feedback for someone for the same reason.
The choice is yours, but don't call anyone out without strong and solid evidence.

Check "Auction" sub board and go to the old days. You will find many account on auction. For example, a random page picked by me and found shorena- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bct-full-member-account-958097
You can see that EFS joined the auction and some more reputed members too. It was nothing secret back then. Even one of the most reputed member Bruno had a habit of building account and sell them.

Oh! I didn't know that. When you mention reputed membersrs. It's interesting. I don't think reputed members will scam someone or post shit.


Well, This is not my only account. I have another account that I use daily. I use this account to say controversial things. You won't see me every day with this account, and it's impossible to find those types of accounts every day. Of course, I found them just randomly during my participation and did some research. That's it.

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The thread you referred to as an example is good. But, The problem is, I don't think DT members will check my thread often and check if I posted new findings or not. actmyname is DT himself and he left a neutral tag which Is visible as trusted feedback. But, I have to wait for a DT member to check and evaluate.

If I'm correct, many reputed members have traded account here back in the day. It was discouraged but an open business. Back then, people used to farm account for trading. But later on, when number of scam increased due to account changing hands, if I'm correct, around 2018, some people started to tag account which changed hand and it has been a rule almost now lol. Before that, if any account changed hands, no one cared much. So, I don’t think you should dig such accounts.

On a side note, why are you desperately looking for such accounts? I don't think it worths the time. Keep it simple, if you find someone during your participation in the forum, you can report them but looking desperately isn’t something I think you should do. You can do something better for yourself. Just my 2 cents.

This thread: Topic: [Spammer Blacklist] The Shitlist, can be an example for you, if you want to make a list of account names hacked or change hands to someone else.

Just create one thread only, to deal with account switching hands issue, no need to [1] your account find [1] thread you created, one thread is enough to start it.

It depends on you, if you have valid and reasonable evidence, why not.