Topic: [need DT] using multiple account, trading merit, self-talking, trading trust (Read 2555 times)

I really appreciate it, thank you Mikeywith.

I tried to send a PM to @Marlboroza asking for reconsideration but



So I will quote it here.

Thank you very much, means a lot to me and I have no hard fillings. I understand your altitude during this case fully.

Of course, I will avoid meriting Crypto mania in the future and ask him for this same.


One has already done this, you are the second DT1 who removed the negative trust from my account. Thanks again.

Please tell me which rules are you talking about?

Now I understand what you mean and why you ask about this.

This will take a second to explain. So I will now write this full story because this is a 1,5 year time involved and to understand this I need as before tell the full story about this guide and translations. I have to make screens, etc, so it will take a while.

I will update this post when ready, thank you.

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This guide was written by me in 2018 (I don't know the exact date) in Polish on AltcoinsTalks forum. That was a short list with only a few first points. I advised Crypto mania to translate this to English language and publish here on Bitcointalk. I am not 100% sure now because Crypto mania has changed annotations with links in the footer of his post during the time and I would like that he explains that by himself, but I assume, that the first one was just a description: "this is a translation from another forum" because one can not add links to other forums (or I messed something up here). Is a long time back and now to remember all these interactions is really hard. Ok back to the topic.

Crypto mania added a few additional points from internet sources and posted this guide here on Bitcointalk. Discussion started and the list began to grow. At that time, I translated this extended guide again into Polish and published in our local section. In both topics, different answers were added and both lists began to grow separately from this moment. So we joined forces after some time and added all new points from each list to built really good guides in two different languages and forum sections. I think this is very good for the forum to have such high-quality content translated to a few languages for local sections (not native English speakers).

After I published my translation, from what I see, Crypto mania changed the link in the description, from the written one: "this post is a translation from another forum" to "@wwzsocki the author of the main version has published lately this post in polish language" and added link to my guide. Additionally, I added that this is my original work from other forum and link to Crypto mania translation in my guide too. Like I already said a couple of years ago I was a very bad poster and got problems because of wrong quotations. From this moment I learned my lesson and am very strict and exact with all quotations and added sources in descriptions.

I was not able to find the original post on AtlcoinsTalks because is a small forum and there were no answers in this thread. I assume was closed and deleted after so much time, which is common there.

Here screens with texts and links in descriptions of these posts and link to my profile on AltcoinsTalks, where I am a moderator and the only Judge (for irony).





https://www.altcoinstalks.com/index.php?action=profile;u=2563

Sorry, I don't know what you mean? Told you already before. Please be more specific.

From the start, I am fully honest and specific with you and I ask you for this same.

If you ask some questions please be specific, I don't understand your mind shortcuts. Additionally, multiple times when you quoted my posts you chose only the worst sentences.
Please, be honest, like me and if you quote some examples, quotes or show evidence, do it properly and show how it really looks like and not with cut out of context sentences because this doesn't reflect the truth at all.

If this is a trial then it should be honest from both sides. Or maybe this is something different?


Thank you @DireWolf, this means a lot to me.

I haven't found it. I have heard so many times this statement on the forum that I took it as a fact and never checked properly, my mistake.

When I was searching for the link I found this case. Where the user got his reputation back.

Maybe these case is not exactly the same (there were a lot more accounts involved) but I think that looks like a precedent in my case.

Here quote from the last post.


If this is the case I will never send any more merits to Crypto mania and ask him for this same.

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I have already learned a lesson from my case and this one quoted above, that sending merits to friends or relatives is not well seen on this forum.

As you all know, I wasn't aware of that. Because of this case, I am from 3 days constantly searching and reading meta and reputation threads (just read all Theymos posts from the last year when I was searching for the quote) and I found, that actually this subject is discussed on the forum and different high rank and DT1 members have a different point of view in this discussion.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51254725

As I said, I have never merited any bad posts of Crypto mania, waited 3 months to give him the first merit and asked to not sent merits to me.
Just as described in this post I tried to be a good teacher.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.51253982

But now, I know, that I will have to be more strictly or even to avoid at all awarding my friend.

I already get a harsh punishment because I spent the last 3 days defending myself, browsing through the whole forum, post history of many users, sharing private information and I was relegated from one of the best signature campaigns on this forum. And we all know how hard is to get a spot in such campaign. Not to mention my stressed nerves and sleepless nights.

Completely destroying my account, for appreciating my friend's posts (which are meritable anyway) is a bit too much in my opinion. Therefore, please change the trust to neutral.
Let everyone evaluate themselves reading my trust annotations.

Especially if I did not do it for the purposes of bringing me any goodies, because as I have already mentioned, I never cared about my own rank, and 36 Merits that I got back, I do without cheating and without a problem in a few days.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50588137

Please do not just look at my mistakes, but also take into account my achievements and how many years I am here on Bitcointalk. And also that I have been for some time in the 200 most merited users. In addition, I work a lot in the Polish community and from the last few months, our local section from the last places in the rankings has moved high forward. I have many reports on my account with 100% accuracy. I spent multiple hours chasing spam, scam, and abuse on this forum. But I never wanted to be famous about this and even if I found plagiarism or a bot farm I have used the report button with proper description and all links. I started the most recognized thread on Polish board in the last 2 years which gives the fuel for this section to grow. Czemu nie nagradzamy sie Meritami?
Bitcointalk was the first forum I have ever registered when I was already in mid-age. From a total shitposter, I evaluated to one of 200 most merited members. Of course, you will find a few mistakes in such a long history (especially when I am not hiding anything) but like I already said, please don't look only at them.


I am kindly asking administrators of this forum for help in solving this matter. These two accounts were always operated from different computers so mac addresses should be different in each session. Additionally, there is no problem with other checks like KYC.

I don't understand, can you please be more specific?

I can get 27 merits in 3 days, do you think I would spend one and a half year creating an alt account to get 36?  

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50588137

If I had in mind fast ranking up, why would I wait so long to merit myself (3 months)?

I had 25 merits when the system was introduced and I was still a senior member after 4,5 years, so I even never rushed to rank my own account.

Do you really think that after 6 years on the forum I would register an alt account just to give myself 36 merits?

I have seen members registered in 2017/2018 with hero rank already. This is fast ranking up and not 6 years to hero, which I get last month.

If I want to rank up faster and get more merits I will publish one of 30 threads which I stared during this year. Additionally, I have told you multiple times and showed screens that I asked Crypto mania to not send merits to me but after Theymos posted that one can merit any post he wishes I just stopped to think about this.

I merited Crypto mania after 3 months of posting with my first merit. If I had in mind fast ranking up, why would I wait so long? I had 25 merits when the system was introduced.
Already showed proof:



I can get 27 merits in 3 days, do you think I would spend one and a half year creating an alt account to get 36?

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50588137

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This is very common on the forum to give merits for translations.

I personally got a lot of merits because of translations to the Polish or English languages from most recognized merit sources on the forum and authors of original posts. I have seen multiple times, as members merit their translations and original posts, each to other. First, to say thanks for a great guide or tutorial to the author, and second for the translation (which cost a lot of work) to the translator.

Additionally, you have to read the hall thread and all posts to understand why I merited them. Single, out-of-context posts, do not reflect the full truth.

If you wish I can show tomorrow morning CET multiple examples of merited translations because is little lait and I am going to sleep now.

If this is the case I would be very happy to disclose our personal information and explain exactly our relations to administrators of this forum.

I have already sent PM to administrators asking for help.

No of course not.

He registered to the first campaign after some time. I don't know a month or two. Crypto mania knew that I have multiple [email protected] addresses. So he asks me to use one, to sign up, because you don't use your first email for bounty and why to create a new one, if I have plenty of them? He even not asked which one only used this and as you know I have [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], 4,5,6,7 ofertyww8gmail.com and many more. Just sent me an email and I will respond.

My friend asked me to use one of the many emails I have. I really had nothing against and agreed without second of thinking.

This is not against rules to use the same email, eth address, and social media accounts. Of course, if you abuse the rules this can be used as evidence but we haven't do anything wrong.

Because some account farmers used the same addresses and emails does not mean that two friends or a family can not share them.

Of course not, when the merit system was introduced ranking up fast were not possible anymore. I have never rushed to rank up with my own account I was still a senior member when the merit system was introduced after 4 years on the forum.

There are no withdrawals from this ETH wallet which I handed over and almost no transactions. Crypto mania never uses this wallet. Additionally, I have stated already that I can share the keys to this wallet and password to the email address with everybody. Just sent a PM, please.

I am not living in Poland.

I have explained in details email accusation in this thread already. Please be so kind and read the full thread.

Just come to my mind that Crypto mania account was registered after merit system was introduced and bounties were at the end with profitability.

I am here from 6 years frequently and from last 2,5 almost every day.

If I want to create an alt why so late? When there was no way to rank up fast?

I even never rushed to rank up with my own account. I was still a senior member after the merit system was introduced after four years here.

Even if I would create an alt don't you think that after so many years here and so much experience I would use the same email, eth address, social media accounts, signature and talk about this on the forum for the last two years?

It does not stick

Please try for one second to consider that I am indeed telling the truth.

No, it's not my ETH wallet.

Will you not agree with me that there is no way to register an account for a friend or family and that I have done everything possible to announce that we know each other and are related?

And that this is an anonymous forum and I did not have to do it, and that some account farmers used the same addresses and emails does not mean that two friends or a family can not share them because we have not violated any rules or bounty nor forum, and merits can be given freely and I have awarded equal amounts to other members?

To prove my words that we have done all we can to inform the forum that we are closely connected, know each other and invest in a few projects together.

I made screens of a few posts in which we are stating that we know each other and our trust annotations.













I was accused of merit abuse here is proof that I asked Crypto mania to not sent me any merit long time ago but after Theymos posted that there is no red paint or other penalties for merits, and anybody can give merits to any post he wants, I stopped to care about this. Additionally, I merited Crypto mania with the first merit after 3 months for this post screened above where he is telling this on the forum that he didn't get any merit for 100 days. I was a senior member when the merit system was introduced. I had, I think 50 merits. If I abused the system why haven't I merited him a lot sooner with more merits? Because I didn't like his posts and found them little spammy. That's why. That was his first post I found short but really good and you can see my influence on him. I told him to not spam and go help people and don't lie on the forum and about the 133 rule to rank pretty fast.





I have told that I was in Masternodecoin and Crypto mania invested because of me. Here is another prove when he is talking about this on the forum a long time ago.



And that all this is only Crypto Mania posts there are also mine but I will add them little later.

From 1,5 year we are constantly telling that we know each other and are connected and Crypto mania account is registered a few months earlier. Later even added this in our trust annotations to be sure there is no doubt we know each other. So I can't understand these accusations now that we are connected. Yes, we are but this is not my alt account.

Two to be exact.


I tried to be fully honest with you.


Thank you. I can only hope that after some time you will adjust this trust rating accordingly when I stop to merit my friend.

It usually happens when someone sends me few messages and I tell them "don't spam my inbox", which usually means - don't spam my inbox.

Just for the record, I think you are alt accounts. There is possibility that you are not(based on your words) but very likely you are(based on proofs). I choose to listen community and members who expressed their opinions(directly or indirectly) about this case and will neutralize -ve. PM unblocked, I am out of this thread.

I have read almost every thing on this thread, despite the evidence (which don't confirm OP's claim 100%), I still tend to believe that wwzsocki is telling the truth, I would certainly not bet my house on that, but as long as there is a good possibility of his innocence, and given that wwzsocki is a decent fourm member  and I would say that decent members here are probably only tens or couple hundreds at most , it doesn't make sense to tag him for this , especially that this doesn't involve scam or even an attempt of scam.

I hope @marlboroza will give wwzsocki the benefit of the doubt and not judge a decent a member the way he would judge a regular spammer or scammer.