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Quote from: Welsh on July 28, 2018, 06:13:24 AM

Quote from: marlboroza on July 28, 2018, 05:57:30 AM

I did not repost anything neither I replied anything in that thread since my post was removed. Wth?

You've made this post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.42976394

Probably what mprep was referring too.

Oh, my bad, I thought they were referring to something else, as I already pointed this post yesterday (it is only 2 posts above mprep's first reply in this topic https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.42977298 ) so it doesn't look like "I'd PM Cyrus about recovering the deleted post, but it seems like you've already reposted it." is referring to post in different bounty thread.

True, maybe they meant " i will PM Cyrus about recovering the deleted post" but "it seems that you have already made another post in different thread which has nothing to do with deleted post and topic we are talking about"?

Yeah, that makes sense, silly me Roll Eyes

Question is still live - why is this post removed?

It is not off topic reply, topic wasn't deleted/trashed...could it be because of this:

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Posting the same thing to several threads might be considered multi-posting / duplicate posting ~~(especially if the threads said duplicate posts were posted in are about the same projec~~t

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Quote from: marlboroza on July 28, 2018, 05:57:30 AM

I did not repost anything neither I replied anything in that thread since my post was removed. Wth?

You've made this post: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.42976394

Probably what mprep was referring too.

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Quote from: mprep on July 28, 2018, 04:57:26 AM

Quote from: marlboroza on July 28, 2018, 03:43:11 AM

Quote from: mprep on July 27, 2018, 07:05:49 PM

I did go through the report logs and while someone did report your post (and it's marked as handled), it seems like not only your post, but the entire thread was deleted alongside it. Not sure how post notifications work when a thread is deleted instead of trashed but maybe it's sent out on thread deletion (=/= thread trashing) as well. The thread you're linking to is a newer one.

It is not new thread.

Take a look, post was right between these two posts http://prntscr.com/kc18nc archived again here http://archive.is/vkJiW , and this is thread with my post in it https://archive.is/2wDMN also thread is still under this number 4723436.0 so it is the same thread.

If that's the case, not really sure why it got deleted. The only report that seems to be related to the situation is pointing to a deleted thread. I'd PM Cyrus about recovering the deleted post, but it seems like you've already reposted it.

Huh?

I did not repost anything neither I replied anything in that thread since my post was removed. Wth?

Also, I've never asked for its recovery, my question is very simple - why post was removed.
Expected answer would be "your post have been removed because it violated forum rule number X..." and I don't ask for anything more that this.

But OK, as you didn't removed it, Welsh said they can only deal with newbie accounts there, that post very likely mysteriously disappeared Roll Eyes

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Quote from: marlboroza on July 28, 2018, 03:43:11 AM

Quote from: mprep on July 27, 2018, 07:05:49 PM

I did go through the report logs and while someone did report your post (and it's marked as handled), it seems like not only your post, but the entire thread was deleted alongside it. Not sure how post notifications work when a thread is deleted instead of trashed but maybe it's sent out on thread deletion (=/= thread trashing) as well. The thread you're linking to is a newer one.

It is not new thread.

Take a look, post was right between these two posts http://prntscr.com/kc18nc archived again here http://archive.is/vkJiW , and this is thread with my post in it https://archive.is/2wDMN also thread is still under this number 4723436.0 so it is the same thread.

If that's the case, not really sure why it got deleted. The only report that seems to be related to the situation is pointing to a deleted thread. I'd PM Cyrus about recovering the deleted post, but it seems like you've already reposted it.

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Quote from: pugman on July 27, 2018, 06:58:17 PM

@marlboroza, Welsh is also a moderator of that board, you can PM him to have your answer.

I'm not a dedicated moderator in the Bounties section, and thus I can only deal with newbie accounts there.

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Quote from: mprep on July 27, 2018, 07:05:49 PM

I did go through the report logs and while someone did report your post (and it's marked as handled), it seems like not only your post, but the entire thread was deleted alongside it. Not sure how post notifications work when a thread is deleted instead of trashed but maybe it's sent out on thread deletion (=/= thread trashing) as well. The thread you're linking to is a newer one.

It is not new thread.

Take a look, post was right between these two posts http://prntscr.com/kc18nc archived again here http://archive.is/vkJiW , and this is thread with my post in it https://archive.is/2wDMN also thread is still under this number 4723436.0 so it is the same thread.

Quote from: mprep on July 27, 2018, 07:05:49 PM

Also, seems like whoever handled the report, marked a duplicate report from a user as valid, which makes me believe I wasn't the one who deleted your post (I use a script that highlights duplicates) and AFAIK I haven't deleted (not trashed) any threads at least in the past week.

It wasn't duplicate post as far as I am concerned. It was the only "red" post for that project.

Quote from: mprep on July 27, 2018, 07:32:54 PM

Warning users that a project is a scam is not off-topic. Posting the same thing to several threads might be considered multi-posting / duplicate posting (especially if the threads said duplicate posts were posted in are about the same project).

I am not sure how this can be considered as multi-posting or duplicate posting. It is scam warning. Roll Eyes

Thanks for your reply, at least we know this wasn't off topic reply.

Quote from: pugman on July 27, 2018, 06:58:17 PM

@marlboroza, Welsh is also a moderator of that board, you can PM him to have your answer.

I wasn't aware of it because I didn't see their forum nick http://archive.is/CzPrB Embarrassed

, anyway, they can reply here if they want to Roll Eyes

Quote from: digaran on July 27, 2018, 06:30:21 PM

You are not in a position to threatening people with negative trust, in a way you are trying to moderate the scam while the forum does not moderate scams. what you could do however would be to tag their ANN account/bounty manager so that bounty participants see the tag and start investigating further.

You are like that boring fly in the summer morning.

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Quote from: mprep on July 27, 2018, 07:32:54 PM

Quote from: pugman on July 27, 2018, 07:17:53 PM

Quote from: mprep on July 27, 2018, 07:05:49 PM

Been (and kind of still am) a bit ill over the past few days so haven't had the energy to answer PMs.

Since my memory is shaky when it comes to most moderated content and there are several active global mods moderating the forum, I can neither confirm or deny I deleted the post. I did go through the report logs and while someone did report your post (and it's marked as handled), it seems like not only your post, but the entire thread was deleted alongside it. Not sure how post notifications work when a thread is deleted instead of trashed but maybe it's sent out on thread deletion (=/= thread trashing) as well. The thread you're linking to is a newer one.

Also, seems like whoever handled the report, marked a duplicate report from a user as valid, which makes me believe I wasn't the one who deleted it (I use a script that highlights duplicates).

I just have one question: Had the thread not been crashed, and someone had reported marlboroza's post, would it be deleted? Is it considered to be off-topic or not?

Warning users that a project is a scam is not off-topic. Posting the same thing to several threads might be considered multi-posting / duplicate posting (especially if the threads said duplicate posts were posted in are about the same project).

Thanks. That's all I needed to know. Sorry everyone, my bad, I was wrong here. Cry

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Quote from: pugman on July 27, 2018, 07:17:53 PM

Quote from: mprep on July 27, 2018, 07:05:49 PM

Been (and kind of still am) a bit ill over the past few days so haven't had the energy to answer PMs.

Since my memory is shaky when it comes to most moderated content and there are several active global mods moderating the forum, I can neither confirm or deny I deleted the post. I did go through the report logs and while someone did report your post (and it's marked as handled), it seems like not only your post, but the entire thread was deleted alongside it. Not sure how post notifications work when a thread is deleted instead of trashed but maybe it's sent out on thread deletion (=/= thread trashing) as well. The thread you're linking to is a newer one.

Also, seems like whoever handled the report, marked a duplicate report from a user as valid, which makes me believe I wasn't the one who deleted it (I use a script that highlights duplicates).

I just have one question: Had the thread not been crashed, and someone had reported marlboroza's post, would it be deleted? Is it considered to be off-topic or not?

Warning users that a project is a scam is not off-topic. Posting the same thing to several threads might be considered multi-posting / duplicate posting (especially if the threads said duplicate posts were posted in are about the same project).

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Quote from: mprep on July 27, 2018, 07:05:49 PM

Been (and kind of still am) a bit ill over the past few days so haven't had the energy to answer PMs.

Since my memory is shaky when it comes to most moderated content and there are several active global mods moderating the forum, I can neither confirm or deny I deleted the post. I did go through the report logs and while someone did report your post (and it's marked as handled), it seems like not only your post, but the entire thread was deleted alongside it. Not sure how post notifications work when a thread is deleted instead of trashed but maybe it's sent out on thread deletion (=/= thread trashing) as well. The thread you're linking to is a newer one.

Also, seems like whoever handled the report, marked a duplicate report from a user as valid, which makes me believe I wasn't the one who deleted it (I use a script that highlights duplicates).

I just have one question: Had the thread not been crashed, and someone had reported marlboroza's post, would it be deleted? Is it considered to be off-topic or not?

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Been (and kind of still am) a bit ill over the past few days so haven't had the energy to answer PMs.

Since my memory is shaky when it comes to most moderated content and there are several active global mods moderating the forum, I can neither confirm or deny I deleted the post. I did go through the report logs and while someone did report your post (and it's marked as handled), it seems like not only your post, but the entire thread was deleted alongside it. Not sure how post notifications work when a thread is deleted instead of trashed but maybe it's sent out on thread deletion (=/= thread trashing) as well. The thread you're linking to is a newer one.

Also, seems like whoever handled the report, marked a duplicate report from a user as valid, which makes me believe I wasn't the one who deleted your post (I use a script that highlights duplicates) and AFAIK I haven't deleted (not trashed) any threads at least in the past week.

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Quote from: digaran on July 27, 2018, 06:30:21 PM

You are not in a position to threatening people with negative trust, in a way you are trying to moderate the scam while the forum does not moderate scams.

So DT members should just let idiots advertise for scammy ICOs?

Quote from: digaran on July 27, 2018, 06:30:21 PM

You are not in a position to threatening people with negative trust, in a way you are trying to moderate the scam while the forum does not moderate scams. what you could do however would be to tag their ANN account/bounty manager so that bounty participants see the tag and start investigating further.

The rule , The forum doesn't moderate scams is implied only when someone reports or asks mods to Ban a user or delete a scam thread, which mods don't do. Pretty sure that isn't the case here.

@marlboroza, Welsh is also a moderator of that board, you can PM him to have your answer.

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You are not in a position to threatening people with negative trust, in a way you are trying to moderate the scam while the forum does not moderate scams. what you could do however would be to tag their ANN account/bounty manager so that bounty participants see the tag and start investigating further.

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4 days after, no response from moderator. I have sent PM to mprep as they are only moderator in altcoin bounty board, and I didn't get any response.

Here is my new warning:

THANK YOU!

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Quote from: marlboroza on July 25, 2018, 12:30:05 PM

Quote from: pugman on July 25, 2018, 12:11:07 PM

No. Mods deletes it because it's against the forum's policy. Proof or no proof.

Since when?

Sorry, I am unfamiliar with such forum's policy as I've seen some other DT members doing or have done this.

Hopefully, moderator will come and clear any doubts about this.

By forum's policy I mean the rules. What I mean here is that mods will delete any off topic post if reported by anyone, even if the post is a warning about a scam ICO in a bounty thread. Even I have seen other DT members warn about such scams, and some have been deleted and some haven't.

Honestly before anybody takes my answer seriously, wait for the mods or theymos to clarify the scenario.

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Quote from: Jet Cash on July 25, 2018, 10:48:07 AM

What a terrible post! Anything as bad as that should be deleted anyway - never mind what the content is. This is a discussion forum.

I didn't find anything bad on that reply. That was warn for bounty hunters and investor too.

Quote from: pugman on July 25, 2018, 10:26:47 AM

Probably because its off-topic? I mean technically it is, and if anyone thinks an ICO is a scam, it should be in scam accusations only perhaps?

I can't see it off topic from any angle. Reply was related the thread to stop promoting scam ICO. As well as bounty hunters not much visit on scam accusation board.

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No. Mods deletes it because it's against the forum's policy. Proof or no proof.

I don't think it's against the forum policy to warned by reply if you find something wrong on the thread.

BTW, It was happened with me also. I expect appropriate answer from moderators.

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Quote from: pugman on July 25, 2018, 12:11:07 PM

No. Mods deletes it because it's against the forum's policy. Proof or no proof.

Since when?

Sorry, I am unfamiliar with such forum's policy as I've seen some other DT members doing or have done this.

Hopefully, moderator will come and clear any doubts about this.

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Quote from: marlboroza on July 25, 2018, 10:50:46 AM

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The reason why your posts were deleted was probably someone reported it. And the other posts probably hadn't been reported.

Quote from: Crypto_Sassy on July 25, 2018, 10:57:58 AM

Nothing should be considered Off-Topic when somebody is giving warning against scam.

Mods might have deleted it because it is just an accusation without a proof. Might be if you included the proof and challenged the tread creator to reply in Scam accusation board then I do not think they will delete it.

The post that is deleted simply look accusation/threat without any proof and I think Mods are right.

No. Mods deletes it because it's against the forum's policy. Proof or no proof.

Quote from: The Sceptical Chymist on July 25, 2018, 11:11:08 AM

If a DT member is planning on tagging bounty participants because the project is a scam (or suspected scam), I'd say it's not really off-topic. Don't know why something like this would be deleted. Bounty hunters tend to not visit sections other than bounties, so it's not a given that they'd see anything in Scam Accusations.

Edit: On the other hand, bounty hunters probably would still miss a warning like this, even if it's in a bounty thread they're participating in--doesn't matter what size font or color you use. Take a look at how many sig campaign applicants miss "This campaign is now CLOSED" posts. Maybe a standalone thread in Scam Accusations would be better anyway.

I am not against such warnings and it's a good thing that marlboroza left the warning, but when it comes to moderation, mods can't do anything but to follow the forum's policies and hence it was deleted,unless there was a whole another reason for the post to be deleted.

Quote from: qwk on July 25, 2018, 11:39:14 AM

If the Bounty program itself were a scam, it'd be on-topic, though. IMHO. Cool

If only the forum sees from the POV that you do. Undecided

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Quote from: pugman on July 25, 2018, 10:39:24 AM

Quote from: qwk on July 25, 2018, 10:28:58 AM

Quote from: pugman on July 25, 2018, 10:26:47 AM

Probably because its off-topic? I mean technically it is, and if anyone thinks an ICO is a scam, it should be in scam accusations only perhaps?

Is it really off-topic? Even I didn't know that Shocked

Talking about an ICO being a scam in a bounty thread makes it off-topic, doesn't it?
It would make more sense for such warning to stick to the ANN thread and its scam accusation topic.

I have to agree, it would be "more" on-topic in the ANN thread.
If the Bounty program itself were a scam, it'd be on-topic, though. IMHO. Cool

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Quote from: pugman on July 25, 2018, 10:26:47 AM

Probably because its off-topic? I mean technically it is, and if anyone thinks an ICO is a scam, it should be in scam accusations only perhaps?

If a DT member is planning on tagging bounty participants because the project is a scam (or suspected scam), I'd say it's not really off-topic. Don't know why something like this would be deleted. Bounty hunters tend to not visit sections other than bounties, so it's not a given that they'd see anything in Scam Accusations.

Edit: On the other hand, bounty hunters probably would still miss a warning like this, even if it's in a bounty thread they're participating in--doesn't matter what size font or color you use. Take a look at how many sig campaign applicants miss "This campaign is now CLOSED" posts. Maybe a standalone thread in Scam Accusations would be better anyway.

Quote from: pugman on July 25, 2018, 12:11:07 PM

I am not against such warnings and it's a good thing that marlboroza left the warning, but when it comes to moderation, mods can't do anything but to follow the forum's policies and hence it was deleted,unless there was a whole another reason for the post to be deleted.

I guess I just disagree. I don't think this is something mods should take action against. The project might be a scam, but by extension the bounty is also scammy and hence a warning isn't strictly off-topic.

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Quote from: Crypto_Sassy on July 25, 2018, 10:57:58 AM

I think scam is so widespread and not everybody go to scam accusation board so it is quite fair that you attack against them in there ANN + Bounty thread.
Nothing should be considered Off-Topic when somebody is giving warning against scam.

Mods might have deleted it because it is just an accusation without a proof. Might be if you included the proof and challenged the tread creator to reply in Scam accusation board then I do not think they will delete it.

The post that is deleted simply look accusation/threat without any proof and I think Mods are right.

ANN thread posted by hacked account. Fake team. Whitelabel website. Copied whitepaper. Fake business address. Multiple fake ICOs promoted by same hacked account.

Proof: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ico-hamporn-investigations-4730195

More proof: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.42848091

Even more proof:

ICO promoter selling phishing domain.

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