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flagpara

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Quote from: Amadues on March 31, 2016, 04:12:13 AM

Quote from: kyren on March 30, 2016, 09:45:07 PM

Quote from: flagpara on March 30, 2016, 08:11:48 PM

Quote from: markj113 on February 20, 2016, 11:08:38 AM

This wasnt a scam for 3.5 bitcoin.

You practically gave it away.

Thanks again for your reaction Makj113. Fact is that when two persons make a contract and one break it it's called a scam. That's the main definition of a scam in fact. You don't know the amount of precaution I took you just consider them as not being enough. On which you might be right, I don't know and I don't care, but that's still scamming.

If you let your door open while being gone, I can enter and take whatever I want? It's not a theft, you practically gave it away?

Actually, that's not a "scam" as you say. It's only a scam if one party intentionally defrauded the other. I'm sure there is a more technical term for that.

In this case though, it seems like you did indeed get scammed Sad

well this is ... a fraud? a loan scam? a loan fraud?
Calling this as you want but the meaning doesn't change.
But by the way flagapra you go at least to a police station to sue what happened here with this user?
If not I can't understand how you have a probability to get such btc back....
Sad

I know also a legal sue is anything but it's a first approach!

As I said above, I followed the European process of debt recovery and the threat of being sued seemed enough. The user started repaying, he already repayed 1/3rd of the amount and the interests so it's going the good way

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Quote from: markj113 on March 31, 2016, 04:10:07 AM

Quote from: flagpara on March 30, 2016, 08:11:48 PM

Quote from: markj113 on February 20, 2016, 11:08:38 AM

This wasnt a scam for 3.5 bitcoin.

You practically gave it away.

Thanks again for your reaction Makj113. Fact is that when two persons make a contract and one break it it's called a scam. That's the main definition of a scam in fact. You don't know the amount of precaution I took you just consider them as not being enough. On which you might be right, I don't know and I don't care, but that's still scamming.

If you let your door open while being gone, I can enter and take whatever I want? It's not a theft, you practically gave it away?

Well your insurance company would say that you failed to take adequate security precautions and refuse to pay out your claim.

You only need to take one look at the scam accusation thread to realise how many scammers there are on this forum, feels like a kick in the nuts but you will never get that bitcoin back and will have to put it down experience and move on a little older and wiser.

Well in fact as I precised above, the precautions I took were enough as the user started repaying. But I understand your point.
Difference is that it's still a theft. You would only not be paid back by your insurance that's all.

Amadues

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Quote from: kyren on March 30, 2016, 09:45:07 PM

Quote from: flagpara on March 30, 2016, 08:11:48 PM

Quote from: markj113 on February 20, 2016, 11:08:38 AM

This wasnt a scam for 3.5 bitcoin.

You practically gave it away.

Thanks again for your reaction Makj113. Fact is that when two persons make a contract and one break it it's called a scam. That's the main definition of a scam in fact. You don't know the amount of precaution I took you just consider them as not being enough. On which you might be right, I don't know and I don't care, but that's still scamming.

If you let your door open while being gone, I can enter and take whatever I want? It's not a theft, you practically gave it away?

Actually, that's not a "scam" as you say. It's only a scam if one party intentionally defrauded the other. I'm sure there is a more technical term for that.

In this case though, it seems like you did indeed get scammed Sad

well this is ... a fraud? a loan scam? a loan fraud?
Calling this as you want but the meaning doesn't change.
But by the way flagapra you go at least to a police station to sue what happened here with this user?
If not I can't understand how you have a probability to get such btc back....
Sad

I know also a legal sue is anything but it's a first approach!

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Quote from: flagpara on March 30, 2016, 08:11:48 PM

Quote from: markj113 on February 20, 2016, 11:08:38 AM

This wasnt a scam for 3.5 bitcoin.

You practically gave it away.

Thanks again for your reaction Makj113. Fact is that when two persons make a contract and one break it it's called a scam. That's the main definition of a scam in fact. You don't know the amount of precaution I took you just consider them as not being enough. On which you might be right, I don't know and I don't care, but that's still scamming.

If you let your door open while being gone, I can enter and take whatever I want? It's not a theft, you practically gave it away?

Well your insurance company would say that you failed to take adequate security precautions and refuse to pay out your claim.

You only need to take one look at the scam accusation thread to realise how many scammers there are on this forum, feels like a kick in the nuts but you will never get that bitcoin back and will have to put it down experience and move on a little older and wiser.

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Quote from: flagpara on March 30, 2016, 08:11:48 PM

Quote from: markj113 on February 20, 2016, 11:08:38 AM

This wasnt a scam for 3.5 bitcoin.

You practically gave it away.

Thanks again for your reaction Makj113. Fact is that when two persons make a contract and one break it it's called a scam. That's the main definition of a scam in fact. You don't know the amount of precaution I took you just consider them as not being enough. On which you might be right, I don't know and I don't care, but that's still scamming.

If you let your door open while being gone, I can enter and take whatever I want? It's not a theft, you practically gave it away?

Actually, that's not a "scam" as you say. It's only a scam if one party intentionally defrauded the other. I'm sure there is a more technical term for that.

In this case though, it seems like you did indeed get scammed Sad

flagpara

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Quote from: markj113 on February 20, 2016, 11:08:38 AM

This wasnt a scam for 3.5 bitcoin.

You practically gave it away.

Thanks again for your reaction Makj113. Fact is that when two persons make a contract and one break it it's called a scam. That's the main definition of a scam in fact. You don't know the amount of precaution I took you just consider them as not being enough. On which you might be right, I don't know and I don't care, but that's still scamming.

If you let your door open while being gone, I can enter and take whatever I want? It's not a theft, you practically gave it away?

flagpara

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Here's some update. I know it might seems a bit strange but I feel like it's important to keep the info clean.

The user didn't contact me on his own. So I filed a European complaint and sent him a registered letter with the file. A week later the user contacted me again apologizing for the inconvenience.
Seems like the user had some trouble that's for sure. But he said he wanted to repay. I didn't really believe him at first but I'm making an update because he started repaying huge amount.

I lent around 1500€ to him. Considering the interests and the delay, we agreed on 1800€ to be repaid. Currently 1.5 btc were repaid, which is aorund 600€.

While not the whole amount, only a third of the sum, I see no reason to not trust this user wil finish repaying me. Why even starting to repay if he doesn't want to do it until the very end?

So this is just and advice for every European here. Fill a contract before lending, requiring quick and multiple proofs. In my case, the use clearly didn't want to repay, but hadn't the choice as a legal contract was made.

The European process for debt recovering is extremely easy, just make sure the contract is correct (some characteristics have to be ok, check that on google).

I'll just bump when the amount is paid as a whole. Feel free to ask any question.

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Quote from: markj113 on February 20, 2016, 11:08:38 AM

This wasnt a scam for 3.5 bitcoin.

You practically gave it away.

Agreed with you @markj113.You already said that he was red-flagged,so why it was for basically?obviously must be for a scam accusation and so that next time users don't get into any trade further.Also whatever info. you were being provide may come out to be false.

Quote from: Amadues on February 20, 2016, 11:55:58 AM

For example He ask in mp a loan without collateral after we talk, but meanwhile he ask a collateral one in public.
Sad

More and more people trust users without collateral, and btc is a good way to scam!

Well this can be stopped if lenders give half of the amount of the account price if that guys wants a loan without collateral.(Account with Trust)

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he buys some account to show the real interest in loan.
but every moves was only a scam attempt.
For example He ask in mp a loan without collateral after we talk, but meanwhile he ask a collateral one in public.
Sad

More and more people trust users without collateral, and btc is a good way to scam!

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Quote from: Greenenergy on February 06, 2016, 07:07:27 AM

This user come from Italy. If you come from a country near it, you can give him a little visit or to the police.

How do you know that ?
You managed to dig some info about him ?

Sorry to say this but OP is very dumb for lending him 3.5 btc Sad

-New user
-opened a multiple loan request
and yet you still gave him the loan Grin

Also, documents like ID and store ownership is not a legit proof here as documents like that can be forged if he needs to
better use collateral next time when lending someone
New user with no collateral = no loan
Simple as that Wink

Though i feel sorry for your loss Sad

markj113

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This wasnt a scam for 3.5 bitcoin.

You practically gave it away.

Amadues

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Hi there are any news?
I hope you can solve, but it seems after these days this user is already gone...
But anyone has try to contact him?

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Quote from: flagpara on February 18, 2016, 02:13:01 PM

Quote from: morantis on February 07, 2016, 11:49:39 AM

Quote from: flagpara on February 05, 2016, 07:52:53 PM

Hello,

I'll be quick. I've lent 3.5 btc to a rather new user "bitcoinmarketstore". The account is already flagged as red so no need to go check it.
The repayment day is still not passed but the user defaulted all its other loans and never got back online since 27/01 whereas he was always online before.
Doesn't answer pm or mail. I don't think there is much more to wait of it.

If I've lent such an amount to a newbie, it's of course because I had guarantees (or thought I had). I've got a written contract with numerous official proofs of ID and ownership of the jewellery store concerned. I didn't believe falsification was possible mainly because of the variety of documents I received in a very short time (a few minutes) and as I was the one asking for precise random documents... I didn't see how it could be possible for this user to lie.

Maybe the user thinks I won't go and sue him, that's possible.

Anyway I would just want to make sure the data I have are not totally invented. I know admins don't give personnal information such as location, but in this case I'd just want to know if the contract I have contains the good geographical area. If yes I can go fill a complaint as I've got the specified contract and a copy of the ID. If no, then I won't even bother as it means I've got completely get fucked by a very fast and good falsification.

I would like to know if someone could confirm the global area if I send him/her the address. I can of course prove all I stated above before.

Oh, and don't trade with this user of course Grin

So, in the event that he defaults, you intend to sue him, in a court, for a virtual currency? You think you have any chance of that working? If that works it would be a big jolt for the BTC community, but I seriously doubt the bureaucracy is going to let it happen.

Well I'm still in contact with him loan will be defaulted if he doesn't start to repay on the 25.

But yes that's the idea. It shouldn't be hard because we made an official contract. I don't know how it works elsewhere but in Europe certificate of indebtedness has a value in court!
The only thing is that if none of the documents about him I have are true it won't work I think. Or not before years that's for sure ^^

In my opinion court and advocates fee will cost you more than what he owes you (I hope you will prove I'm wrong..)

Suying someone from another country, even in Europe, is quite complicated. If it's a national affair it's easier.

I did some loan in the past (I was the lender). Collateral always should have a value, the lender has to be able to sell it.
In most of the case, people asking for loans and giving IDs or what ever documents were stolen ones..

Good luck with him. I hope you will be able to get back something. 3.5 BTC is a serious amount...

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Quote from: morantis on February 07, 2016, 11:49:39 AM

Quote from: flagpara on February 05, 2016, 07:52:53 PM

Hello,

I'll be quick. I've lent 3.5 btc to a rather new user "bitcoinmarketstore". The account is already flagged as red so no need to go check it.
The repayment day is still not passed but the user defaulted all its other loans and never got back online since 27/01 whereas he was always online before.
Doesn't answer pm or mail. I don't think there is much more to wait of it.

If I've lent such an amount to a newbie, it's of course because I had guarantees (or thought I had). I've got a written contract with numerous official proofs of ID and ownership of the jewellery store concerned. I didn't believe falsification was possible mainly because of the variety of documents I received in a very short time (a few minutes) and as I was the one asking for precise random documents... I didn't see how it could be possible for this user to lie.

Maybe the user thinks I won't go and sue him, that's possible.

Anyway I would just want to make sure the data I have are not totally invented. I know admins don't give personnal information such as location, but in this case I'd just want to know if the contract I have contains the good geographical area. If yes I can go fill a complaint as I've got the specified contract and a copy of the ID. If no, then I won't even bother as it means I've got completely get fucked by a very fast and good falsification.

I would like to know if someone could confirm the global area if I send him/her the address. I can of course prove all I stated above before.

Oh, and don't trade with this user of course Grin

So, in the event that he defaults, you intend to sue him, in a court, for a virtual currency? You think you have any chance of that working? If that works it would be a big jolt for the BTC community, but I seriously doubt the bureaucracy is going to let it happen.

Well I'm still in contact with him loan will be defaulted if he doesn't start to repay on the 25.

But yes that's the idea. It shouldn't be hard because we made an official contract. I don't know how it works elsewhere but in Europe certificate of indebtedness has a value in court!
The only thing is that if none of the documents about him I have are true it won't work I think. Or not before years that's for sure ^^

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Quote from: flagpara on February 05, 2016, 07:52:53 PM

Hello,

I'll be quick. I've lent 3.5 btc to a rather new user "bitcoinmarketstore". The account is already flagged as red so no need to go check it.
The repayment day is still not passed but the user defaulted all its other loans and never got back online since 27/01 whereas he was always online before.
Doesn't answer pm or mail. I don't think there is much more to wait of it.

If I've lent such an amount to a newbie, it's of course because I had guarantees (or thought I had). I've got a written contract with numerous official proofs of ID and ownership of the jewellery store concerned. I didn't believe falsification was possible mainly because of the variety of documents I received in a very short time (a few minutes) and as I was the one asking for precise random documents... I didn't see how it could be possible for this user to lie.

Maybe the user thinks I won't go and sue him, that's possible.

Anyway I would just want to make sure the data I have are not totally invented. I know admins don't give personnal information such as location, but in this case I'd just want to know if the contract I have contains the good geographical area. If yes I can go fill a complaint as I've got the specified contract and a copy of the ID. If no, then I won't even bother as it means I've got completely get fucked by a very fast and good falsification.

I would like to know if someone could confirm the global area if I send him/her the address. I can of course prove all I stated above before.

Oh, and don't trade with this user of course Grin

So, in the event that he defaults, you intend to sue him, in a court, for a virtual currency? You think you have any chance of that working? If that works it would be a big jolt for the BTC community, but I seriously doubt the bureaucracy is going to let it happen.

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Quote from: zazarb on February 07, 2016, 07:17:00 AM

Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on February 06, 2016, 09:55:33 AM

Next time make sure you use the proper scam format ,we don't have to search the entire forum for the respective accounts.Anyhow
This is the main account of the scammer: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitcoinmarketstore-673780

This his is AltAccount : https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/russianraibow-309676 [Was active two days back]

His Business Facebook Page : https://www.facebook.com/Gioielleria-lIsola-dOro-317751444954849/?ref=hl

EDIT : This user has many alt accounts,I'm already on the work to find them all also this

Quote from: BitcoinMarketStore on January 18, 2016, 03:13:43 PM

I am pleased to announce that as of today my digital goods asset is enriched with first Legendary Member Account

Thank to all for continue to finance my business or giving me support and advice. I try to do my better

It is unlikely that he has such high rank accounts, he just tying to buy(participate in few auction and won), to my knowledge did not pay for anything(asks me a few times a loan)

Trust summary for RussianRaibow

For the moment i have to give him red trust until he comes through with the payment he promised to the seller of the trade i was asked to oversee.

Shocked

he get this account and not pay for it?
what a shame! Sad

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Quote from: Joel_Jantsen on February 06, 2016, 09:55:33 AM

Next time make sure you use the proper scam format ,we don't have to search the entire forum for the respective accounts.Anyhow
This is the main account of the scammer: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitcoinmarketstore-673780

This his is AltAccount : https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/russianraibow-309676 [Was active two days back]

His Business Facebook Page : https://www.facebook.com/Gioielleria-lIsola-dOro-317751444954849/?ref=hl

EDIT : This user has many alt accounts,I'm already on the work to find them all also this

Quote from: BitcoinMarketStore on January 18, 2016, 03:13:43 PM

I am pleased to announce that as of today my digital goods asset is enriched with first Legendary Member Account

Thank to all for continue to finance my business or giving me support and advice. I try to do my better

It is unlikely that he has such high rank accounts, he just tying to buy(participate in few auction and won), to my knowledge did not pay for anything(asks me a few times a loan)

Amadues

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I have some info of this user (like phone )..he is italian from the south.... (he ask some lend with collateral and then without and in mp .... as "friends" :O )
I have also write about that in the "principal" topic opened where he ask for a loan.

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Quote from: flagpara on February 06, 2016, 08:39:18 AM

... But I took the risk as it was really fast with lots of data ^^

Some scammers are so smart, they actually do the photoshopping in advance. That's why banks don't accept emailed ID/pics with shoe on head.
SFYL.

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Get your game girl

Next time make sure you use the proper scam format ,we don't have to search the entire forum for the respective accounts.Anyhow
This is the main account of the scammer: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitcoinmarketstore-673780

This his is AltAccount : https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/russianraibow-309676 [Was active two days back]

His Business Facebook Page : https://www.facebook.com/Gioielleria-lIsola-dOro-317751444954849/?ref=hl

EDIT : This user has many alt accounts,I'm already on the work to find them all also this

Quote from: BitcoinMarketStore on January 18, 2016, 03:13:43 PM

I am pleased to announce that as of today my digital goods asset is enriched with first Legendary Member Account

Thank to all for continue to finance my business or giving me support and advice. I try to do my better

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