Topic: Negative rating from The Pharmacist - page 4. (Read 2072 times)

From what I understand, moderators and DT people are different.
Punishment from moderators = ban
Punishment from DT people = red tag

DT people have every right to tag you for violations like plagiarism.

That is EXACTLY what you did... you basically did a copy/paste. A bit of editing doesn't change that.


Yes... the original author(s) of the works that you copy/pasted.


Yes... you can... it's REALLY easy... let me demonstrate:

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See how easy that was? You just needed to put in 5 links... and none of this would have been necessary.

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Yes... thread(s) which were PRODUCED by other people...


Giving credit to those people is EXACTLY what you should have done... If I quote a news article from the "Busytown Bugle", written by "John C. Reporter"... are you suggesting that there is no need to give him credit because no one on this forum knows them?

Also, citing sources is NOT "advertising" another forum... people link to external articles and forums all the time. As long as it is relevant, and isn't just an attempt to try and drive traffic to some other site, it's fine.


It has now been explained in GREAT detail... by several people. I guess if you don't understand why what you did is wrong, you never will.

Final thoughts:
- Just because you did it for "good" reasons (and yes, trying to educate newbies is a "Good Thing"™)... that does NOT make it OK to not cite sources.
- You should ALWAYS cite (and preferably link to) your sources if you are copy/pasting something that was written by other people from different posts/forums/websites, regardless of how "old" it is... or where it came from.

Repeating the same thing again and again will not help you so just live with it until your account will get permaban for plagiarism.

Keep yelling will make other DT members to leave same negative feedback on you,it will make the condition worse.

I didn't steal the words of someone, those guides are old as the world and they protect and help people.
They were not stolen because they are free to use of anyone who like to spread the guide to help people.
Who i should provide credit to ? The unknown brave soldier not known on this website but helping other people?
I can't give them credit and i didn't not only because this website is unknown for them and they will never see it, but its also because those threads are spread all over the internet without anyone having problems helping people but just people here I don't get it People here don't like to help each other ? No matter i managed few threads off-site which can't harm anyone but only help ?
I don't want this forum ranks, i dont want benefits, i dont want merit i don't want even "thanks" but being useful and helpful to the newbies.
Call it plagiarism, call it "stealing of content" or "thread" but all my intentions was to help people only.
If you blame me for helping people no matter what, alright no problem with that.
If that plagiarism which can only help people and nothing more is punishable alright.
But trying to make me look like i have any benefit or i will win something by doing this is more than laughable....
And alright i did the wrong thing trying to help people that's already known.
I can make just the same thread by giving the unknown fighting scammer soldier if that will help the case no problem at all.
Even i stated they were taken from different sources and never said it was self written
If those rules don't give me right to help people with information how to stay safe, not being scammed and to use escrow.... What a rules

Plagiarism -> http://prntscr.com/letg7p  ( https://www.plagiarism.org/article/what-is-plagiarism )
The fact is that i never lying about the thread i open and i stated at first place this guide was created from different sources.
I never ever said it was self created.
Based on that site i fully understand what plagiarism is.

*to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own (those words were not stolen but present to this community as part of  guide how to trade safety and protect yourself from being scammed)

*to use (another's production) without crediting the source ( well i didn't used someone production but his thread to edit it and manage it to be for this forum. it was said the guide is mixed from different sources, and giving credit to "john" "mike" and "sebastian" means actually nothing because no one knows them here. also if i credit them by links to another website, that can be called  advertisement to another forum from my side which i don't want to do. and i don't think it is allowed)

*to commit literary theft (there is nothing literary here. its only mixed guides edited by myself not only copy/pasted but also with information included only by myself and managed by myself to be useful on this webite. before my edit, this guides would be useless here)

*to present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source. (As my thread stating, its taken from different sources. I made self recognition that those things are not made by me but taken from different sources. I never stated the idea/product is mine or its new.

So guys, im not sure how did i plagiarism but if that still can be count as one, i did it only for the good of the new members and of the community.

Everyone can read the guide here -> https://archive.st/archive/2018/11/bitcointalk.org/p3sv/bitcointalk.org/index.html

I don't think it can be judged as something which can harm anyone around but only help.
With permission of Moderator, i will open this guide again for all newbies who need help with that kind of information and give credit to their off-site creators no matter their names won't ring a bell to anyone reading it.
If i stated this is self made but not mixed from different sources guide, then i should be really guilty for everything you saying.
But consider im trying to help, i don't feel guilty at all.
Thanks god you can't feel guilty for doing the right thing Helping people with information.
The only reason i highlight this thread yesterday was only to be seen from more people who can have use of it.
I received 1 merit from it, and i agree with pleasure to be removed from my account.
I even contacted the person who send me it with questions how i can return it.

Once again, i don't need your ranks, i don't need your merits and everything you care and think everyone care around.
All i wanted is to help people with information. Even if i saved one person from being scammed, that won't be a time waste!
If you see someone breaking rule without knowing but in the same time trying to help other, instead of attacking him, show him the right path.
Being aggressive and not respectful to people is absurd.
We are not animals... We still can communicate between each other normal and positive.

* Not in last place, that kind of threads should be pinned. More newbies see how safe trade should be going, less scams we will see around.
I will be more than happy see more and more newbies how the things should be going using escrow and doing the right things step by step to prevent being scammed.
There is still people like me who think helping people is not time waste.
There is still people like me who like to help to this community but not earn any benefits suck as ranks and other virtual goodies on your profile.
I don't mind staying with newbie or Jr.Member rank. Actually it is better for me to not rank up because as lower rank member i will show everyone including newbies, you can still remain legit, doing the things right and you don't need any ranks for doing the right things.

I do not deserve this red tag which makes my profile look like i am bad person.

Pretty much all your comments regarding plagiarism and how what you did was "half plagiarism"... prove that you really don't understand what it is.

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Yes, you can... by using [ quote ] tags... like this:
So? It doesn't matter where or when the work was created... you copied it without crediting the source. That is, by definition, plagiarism.

It makes no difference where the content was taken from... it's still plagiarism.

So?

Because you broke the rule regarding plagiarism... what exactly don't you understand about that? given that you "fully understand" plagiarism?

Did you plagiarize from somewhere else?
For blatant plagiarism.
Actually, I compared ignoring traffic rules with ignoring forum rules.

Did i plagiarize from this forum ? I don't think so.
I managed few off-topic guides in thru one.
Why should i be banned ? For trying to help people stay safe and use escrow ?

How you can contact driving car with fast speed with helping people to not being scammed and use escrow ? :D:D:D

Why this account isn't banned for plagiarism?
All I can see here is Rambotnic trying to convince people that plagiarism isn't plagiarism.
I can only imagine OP driving car above speed limit and explaining to cop that he did't know anything about speed limit.

Okay then, consider my guide was not fully copy/pasted then how we should call it ? Not plagiarism ?
An ethical writer will always allow helpful guide to be used anywhere to help people everywhere.
Yes i did not follow the forum rules and im sorry for that, next time i will show the sources.
Im not saying he did called me scammer, i said my profile looks red like the scammers accounts look like.

There isn't something as half plagiarism.
Check out this article https://ori.hhs.gov/plagiarism-0

'28 Guidelines at a Glance on Avoiding Plagiarism'

Guideline 1: An ethical writer ALWAYS acknowledges the contributions of others to his/her work.
Guideline 5: Whether we are paraphrasing or summarizing we must always identify the source of our information.

What you did was plagiarism because you didn't mentioned the source.
You didn't follow the forum rules.

I dont see the words scammer/liar or bad person in the negative trust:
This account will hopefully be banned, but in the off chance it doesn't, this member is a plagiarizer and doesn't even seem to understand what plagiarism is.

Every single guide for safety trading including escrow usage is helpful yeah.
My only mistake was to not put credits where the sources of the guides coming from.
Anyway once again it was noted this guide was made from several sources including personal knowledge.
Yes it is half plagiarism and i should be punished by MOD not tagged as scammer/liar or bad person.
Was trying to protect newbies and help people with information not to highlight myself.
As i stated 100 times so far, i have no interest of any ranks,merits and anything else.
If there is way to giveaway all my merits, let me know how to do it, i have no usage or care about any highlights,ranks or benefits but only trying to help newbies with information.
There was no such guide on this forum and everything was taken offsite and edited to be used on this site.
That's not plagiarism taken in-site but off-site to help bitcointalk newbies and nothing more.
My main thread is deleted to not be counted as permanent "plagiarism" but fixed after mistake was realized.
If i am allowed, i will gladly open the same thread once again because it was made to help people not to harm them.
I have nothing to hide, and i don't hide the fact that i created guide how people could be safe using escrow and safety tips to not being scammed.
I am proud for trying to help people with information which was not shared on this forum but off-site.
This plagiarism has nothing to do with the copy/paste shits from this site used again to this site.
This thread was edited not only copy/pasted by myself not from this forum but to help people on this forum.
Instead of making people who trying to help the community looking bad with those tags use them for the scammers and the people trying to harm the community.
My intentions was clear ! Only to help people with information for their own safety.

I never claim that i didn't create that kind of thread, actually i am proud for trying to help users around.
Who did i plagiarize ? Show me who ? Are they people in this site ? I don't think so!
If they are, feel free to show me proof with your old-dated post with the same guide with your price.
I will gladly pay you to use part of it to create new edited one to help people not being scammed.

*Those threads were free made ones and from different sources.
** They were not paid and created from people like me - People who like to help newbies with guides how to stay safe and not being scammed.
*** You calling plagiarism something taken off-site but never shown here? Well that plagiarism is good plagiarism !!! Taken from people who want to help to be used for help !!!
**** None of the original creators of those off-site guides didn't mention they can't be used on different places to help people!
***** Actually they will be proud if someone use them to protect and help people and will never be salty or bad against people who trying to help

****** You should realize the big difference between good and bad plagiarism, and that's only half plagiarism because i own this thread not by only copy/paste and never took anything from no one who posted on this website.
******* And yes, i'm feeling super happy to be able spreading super useful information for newbies how to stay safe, use escrow and stuff like that.

Plagiarism is plagiarism, doesn't matter post how useful is. It's against of forum rules. If you haven't read rules then how you believe your post will help others? You have no right copy paste or spinning content from others website even you mention. You are allow to use quote only specific part for reference if necessary. Otherwise it will be consider plagiarism. On the other hand, you made post on meta and again post on reputation with same link to invite peoples for read your post. Do you think its right ? Or forum peoples is blind that you have to invite again. Its not right way to highlight yourself very fast. You have got red tag due to your mistake. I don't think you should open another thread for that. There is reference why are you got red tag. Although you deleted your main thread but there is Archived version.

@The Pharmacist, you should use archived version for tag anyone(IMO). Especially account seller/buyer. Sometimes they might delete post and will claim against you. Its safe for you archive evidence before you leave negative feedback.    

And who are you again ?
People do mistakes.
This "plagiarism" was edited and managed to be used on this forum with my words and adds from my side.
This "plagiarism" was created to help and protect people.
Mod will decide how to act.
And for sure i will use my account to trade and buy stuff, who else consider i have just my account lol.

If you did plagiarism it is not three or six months,your ban will be permanent,if you are ready to accept pemaban means your account will be no use after that.

If you want to buy and sell things you can just use this account as well,your trust rating is not for scam so it will not affect your trades anyway.

Rules violations should be punished by Moderator not by default trust people who have powers to make your profile looks like you are bad person or scammer.
All i did wrong is to violate bitcointalk rule which i didn't know but i fully understand now and i will gladly take my punishment such as some time ban.
But someone to tag my profile like i am person who is lying, scamming or doing anything bad is not acceptable...
In mind to help people stay safe, use escrow and giving him options to always be safe and helping the community, i don't feel i deserve red trust.
Yes i do deserve punishment but from Moderator based on the bitcointalk rules.
I still don't understand why i got red trust for trying to help people ?
Yes i did plagiarism and yes i am so sorry doing it without knowing its not allowed to use off-site guides to help people around.
I didn't make anyone lose time or money or anything by reading my thread and i did not harm anyone.
I always advice using escrow and in 99.99% of my trades i used escrow.
You can't judge some person just for a simple mistakes lol.

*I fully respect "The Pharmacist" and his opinions and decisions but this time i don't feel that right.
People should be red tagged for doing wrong things to people or the community.
That kind of mistakes and violates of rules should be punished by Moderator if he wants to.
I am not a bad person and i did nothing wrong to the community to be tagged like all the scammers being tagged.

I got red trust twice, one from scammer who I exposed, another one from guy who posted it while his incomming transaction was processing. Didn't get them removed, don't think you will since you broke the rules and I never did.

This "work" was created years ago off-site.
If i can find the creators i will gladly pay them to use their knowledge how people can stay safe and not being scammed.
I will be more than happy paying them for their offsite guides to use them here to make people feel more safe for their trades.
This guide was posted for fist time by me here, and if there was someone posted it before me, feel free to msg me with your price for posting it, i have no problem paying for that.

You don't feel taking someone else's work without paying for it doesn't harm the community?  It makes other people less likely to create original content.

I will share my opinion why i don't deserve red trust tag.

1. Yes i did violate bitcointalk rule without knowing that so i deserve somekind of punishment.
2. My thread didn't harm anyone and has nothing to do with something that can harm anyone around but only help them with information.
3. Red trust tags should be for people who did something which will harm the community or other people.
4. I never ever did anything wrong to no one on the forum, never abused, lied, scammed but did only mistakes which should be punished by Moderator.
5. With that red trust i look like i am bad person who harm, steal, lie people which is not true ( everyone can track my post history and my trades to see i am honest person)
6. I respect everyone around and i also think that if someone do mistake without harming no one, he should be learned how to do the things right and not do mistakes to violate rules.
In first place we are humans and we all do mistakes, thanks god my mistakes didn't harm no one and was not able to harm but only to help people with information.
7. I'm not innocent about violating bitcointalk rules because that's true ! I did violate them without knowing and im really sorry about it and i will take the punishment.
But being tagged like some criminal,scammer or liar is more than absurd...
8. I never said that it was full hand written by me and i clearly stated the information was taken from different sources.
Not in last place i would like to say that some of the information was not taken from anywhere but written by myself.
So if that can be called plagiarized its not fully plagiarized but partly. Which does not make me innocent at all.

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I removed the post because i did something wrong and i realized it.
I can put that post again if you like i have no problem, but seems like i did something wrong.

2. Im really sorry for violating bitcointalk rules by doing that and i will be more than happy to take the responsibility about my actions and will take my ban for some time.

3. I can't quote offsite things. This information was not in bitcointalk to quote it on my thread. It was taken offsite from different sources which i clearly stated on my thread.

I have nothing to hide and by helping people staying safe and not being scammed, i was felling super comfortable opening this thread.
I will repeat myself once again, seems like i did something wrong and i will gladly take my ban.
But being tagged like a scammer or someone doing shady things around is not acceptable.