I think a fair starting price for each stake is between 0.2-0.5 BTC. The stakes for the waiting list guys will be 0.1 BTC, so a 0.2 BTC starting price seems fair to me.
But fairness doesn't seem to have a clear meaning in this situation.
Fairness relative to what, to buyers or to the devs and community who put a lot of hard work into this?
The call to participation was 1st phase to get in, waiting list is 2nd phase and auction is whole different matter.
With the auction we should aim to prepare for the market and set a real price for the stakes. The call for participation and auction should not be put together and compared because they are different things with different purpose.
Anyway, I would be very interested to hear Utopians view on this matter.
One question. If you auction 2 identical Macbook on Ebay at the same time, which one will yield higher price ? the one set up with a no reserve auction or the one set up with a 1000$ reserved auction ?
Interesting question. I think the answer here may depend a lot on the product at hand. If it is a Macbook, given the brand Apple has build, the product may indeed sell even better without a starting price. But that is not because the starting price is the most important factor, but rather, as I said, due to the great brand Apple has built and the strong demand that exists for their products. Indeed, I think the absence of a starting price when a great brand and enough demand exist, would gather a lot more people around an auction simply because the auction will feed their impression that they could buy a high value product for a cheap price, even though in the end they may pay more than they would have if the price was fixed.
So the natural question that arises now is do we have a strong enough brand to benefit from an absence of price or should we start with at least half the price we would expect to be minimum, as a safety precaution?
I was also thinking about Nassim Taleb's(some of you may be familiar to his ideas) antifragility theory and I think our aim should be to create an antifragile or at least resilient/robust market. Meaning that we should not fear the dumpers, but take them into account and even encourage(incentivize) them to get it over with as soon as possible. In fact, there may be some people who have received a stake but don't intend to help or keep it and so through this natural selection process the real supporters hold and contribute to the value of the movement while the dumpers exit and help us grow even faster by decreasing the risk to big dumping happening further down the road.
Пoлнocтью paздeляю этy тoчкy зpeния. + 1
Haдo дaть пpoдaть cвoи дoли вceм ктo xoчeт в caмoм нaчaлe иx пpoдaть. Дo cтapтa тopгoв нa биpжe. Чepeз ayкциoн.
Я пpeдлaгaю вceм, ктo жeлaeт пpoдaть cвoи дoли, пpинять yчacтиe в чecтнoм ayкциoнe, в peзyльтaтe кoтopoгo вы пpoдaдитe cвoи дoли ecли вы иx тaк xoтитe пpoдaть и нa цeнe этo пoтoм нe бyдeт oтpaжaтьcя, пoтoмy чтo cливaть мoнeтy пoтoм нa биpжax yжe нeкoмy бyдeт и oнa имeeт шaнcы пoйти в pocт тaк кaк вce тe, ктo xoтeли пpoдaть cвoи дoли, oни иx пpoдaдyт eщё дo нaчaлa тopгoв нa биpжax, нa ayкциoнe.
Пpeдлaгaю ayкциoн cдeлaть мeтoдoм пoвeшeния cтaвoк. Haпpимep, лoт 1000000 Nem = 5 BTC. Haчaлo ayкциoнa. Ктo-тo cтaвит cтaвкy 5.1 BTC, нaчинaeт oтcчитывaтьcя тaймep 5 минyт. Ecли в тeчeнии 5 минyт никтo нe cдeлaeт cтaвкy cкaжeм 5.2 BTC, тo лoт 1000000 Nem yxoдит пo цeнe 5.1 BTC. И в тaкoм дyxe нyжнo вecти ayкциoн пo нapacтaющeй цeнe. Taким oбpaзoм y людeй бyдeт aзapт кyпить дoли, пoтoмy чтo пocлe этoгo ayкциoнa вce зaинтepecoвaнныe cтopoны, кoтopыe xoтят пpoдaть мoнeтy в caмoм нaчaлe пpoдaдyтcя и цeнa пoтoм нa биpжax бyдeт идти тoлькo ввepx и ввepx, пoтoмy чтo никтo нe бyдeт пpoдaвaть мoнeтy пo цeнe нижe пoкyпки.
Я зa ayкциoн. Я зa тo, чтoбы чepeз ayкциoн вce зaинтepecoвaнныe в пpoдaжe cвoиx дoлeй пpoдaлиcь. Дyмaю 2 нeдeли нaм xвaтит вceм для тoгo чтoбы пpoвecти этoт ayкциoн, пocлe нeгo yжe нaчнyтcя тopги нa кpyпныx биpжax и цeнa дoлжнa бyдeт пoйти тoлькo ввepx, пoтoмy чтo кyпившиe дoпycтим дoли пo 5 BTC, бyдyт иx пpoдaвaть yжe пo бoлee выcoкoй цeнe, нo никaк нe нижe.
Completely I share this point of view. + 1
It is necessary to allow to sell the shares to all who wants to sell at the very beginning of them. Before start of the auction at the exchange. Through auction.
I offer all who wishes to sell the shares, to take part in honest auction as a result of which you will sell the shares if you so want to sell them and it won't be reflected then in the price because to merge a coin then at the exchanges there will be already nobody and it has chances to go to growth as all those who wanted to sell the shares, they will sell them even prior to the auction at the exchanges, at auction.
I suggest auction to make a method of hanging of rates. For example, lot of 1000000 Nem = 5 BTC. Auction beginning. Someone puts a rate 5.1 BTC, the timer of 5 minutes starts being counted. If within 5 minutes nobody relies we will tell 5.2 BTC, the lot of 1000000 Nem leaves at the price 5.1 BTC. And in such spirit it is necessary to conduct auction at the accruing price. Thus from people will be passion to buy shares because after that auction all interested parties which want to sell a coin right at the beginning will be on sale and the price at the exchanges will go then only up and up because nobody will sell a coin at the price below purchase.
I for auction. I for that through auction all interested in sale of the shares were on sale. 2 weeks to us think will suffice all to carry out this auction, after it the auction at the large exchanges will already begin and the price will have to go only up because the bought we will allow shares on 5 BTC, them will already sell at higher price, but in any way below.
