[NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 317.

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Quote from: KingCole on March 04, 2014, 06:53:49 AM

Quote from: freigeist on March 04, 2014, 05:27:00 AM

Quote from: Seedeer on March 04, 2014, 05:22:24 AM

"simple software for everyone" is better than "Aurora for every Islander"

+1

Software that could add value to NEM because can be used with NEM and related to real life
problems issues.
Building useful services around NEM and on top of NEM and
widespread distribution of the coin(platform) will guarantee its success.

I think it was on an episode of Let's Talk Bitcoin that were talking about the impact of feture phones, think old Nokia handsets running a very early version of Symbian. I also think they were talking about Venezulan fisherman using their new feature phones to call the shore to organise getting the fish to market and how this had had a dramatic impact on their lives because it saved time and brought in more money. The next step discussed was if you could actually trade at sea on your way back to shore, landing at the closest port where the fish you had caught had alreay been paid for. An SMS gateway for NEM that would offer something like the M-Pesa in Kenya and wouldn't require hi-tech just medium-tech

KC

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I agree with this outlook 100%. Allowing low-medium tech phones easy access to NEM would pave a pathway for NEM to reach the masses of this world... quickly.

How possible is this to implement?

I imagine that low-medium tech NEM users won't have direct access to the internet. Given this, if we were to implement an SMS gateway and transactions are handled via SMS, how does one keep their anonymity?.... Thinking off the bat then, users of feature phones would give up their identity, which is just fine.. we can confirm this with the success of M-PESA

Lets seriously consider this - this could propel this Movement Leaps and bounds

opticalcarrier

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you guys talking shit about registration and IPs and blocking proxies/TOR are really stretching for it. Seems waaaaay too Stasi Angry

Cryptocurrencies are supposed to be ANONYMOUS

EFFV

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What can NEM improve over Etherium?

Do you think having a base blockchain without features is more productive?

Or should we follow NXT closer.... I believe Etherium will be our closest competition.

I just hope we don't have high inflation.

Thoughts?

utopianfuture

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Quote from: sampsonm on March 04, 2014, 09:09:35 PM

I saw this Dilbert comic today and had to look-up holacracy. It sounds similar to how NEM might be organized.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holacracy

Awesome

sampsonm

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I saw this Dilbert comic today and had to look-up holacracy. It sounds similar to how NEM might be organized.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holacracy

http://www.dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/200000/10000/4000/200/214286/214286.strip.gif

http://www.dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/200000/10000/4000/200/214287/214287.strip.gif

David Latapie

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Monero Core Team

Quote from: chanc3r on February 27, 2014, 06:50:51 AM

But can we please have someone thinking out of the 'box' on this logo...

Like this?

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Quote from: TeseracT on March 04, 2014, 05:28:22 PM

I really dont like what this is going to be. ID registrations? really? So my name will be in some database, that can be stolen by hacker and made public on the internet. So If NEM wil become 1 dollar, everyone will know that Im millionair? So all people that know me will beg me for money, because "I created money out of thin air".
Actually, millionair that made money off the pyramide scheme,(so in case I wont be willing to share, they can justly hate me) in that time maybe even illegal pyramid scheme? (so banks will have less work finding whose account to freeze)

No thank you. I will rather buy stake on the launch for 20 bucks and enjoy it privatly.

You do realize this is not actually happening and this is just members on the forum bouncing around random ideas right? I can almost guarantee there is not going to be any kind of ID verification system like this because it's not worth the time and effort to try and implement all this just to catch a very, very small percentage of people who managed to purchase a few extra stakes.

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Quote from: TeseracT on March 04, 2014, 05:28:22 PM

I really dont like what this is going to be. ID registrations? really? So my name will be in some database, that can be stolen by hacker and made public on the internet. So If NEM wil become 1 dollar, everyone will know that Im millionair? So all people that know me will beg me for money, because "I created money out of thin air".
Actually, millionair that made money off the pyramide scheme,(so in case I wont be willing to share, they can justly hate me) in that time maybe even illegal pyramid scheme? (so banks will have less work finding whose account to freeze)

No thank you. I will rather buy stake on the launch for 20 bucks and enjoy it privatly.

I don't think you need to use your real name, simply your BCT username!

That's IF they even implement, it was just a suggestion to help combat multi accounts.

TeseracT

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I really dont like what this is going to be. ID registrations? really? So my name will be in some database, that can be stolen by hacker and made public on the internet. So If NEM wil become 1 dollar, everyone will know that Im millionair? So all people that know me will beg me for money, because "I created money out of thin air".
Actually, millionair that made money off the pyramide scheme,(so in case I wont be willing to share, they can justly hate me) in that time maybe even illegal pyramid scheme? (so banks will have less work finding whose account to freeze)

No thank you. I will rather buy stake on the launch for 20 bucks and enjoy it privatly.

Xpedite

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DRAMA: Dumb Retards Asking More Attention

Quote from: Lucozade35 on March 04, 2014, 04:18:49 PM

Yes i agree people with the most to loose use usually make the most noise Grin

I think this is not the case here.
If I would have 20 stakes, I would be laughing silently somewhere in a corner Cheesy

Why make so much noise if you're certain that it can't be traced? It's certainly not because you are compassionate with people who will get refunded.This is just to upset people...

If your intention is to have less NEM haters, this is not the way to achieve it, so that can't be the case.

I can only see one other motive to react like that.

conbos

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Quote from: Lucozade35 on March 04, 2014, 04:03:49 PM

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Quote from: neilh on March 04, 2014, 03:49:11 PM

Quote from: utopianfuture on March 04, 2014, 03:45:22 PM

Well we could do website sign-up/ IP checking as someone suggested. It would take a bit of coordination/ effort but not impossible.

Yeah extra work, but blocking proxy traffic and track IP's should help!

Good luck blocking all tor and proxy traffic. Even if you somehow could, I would simply go around to 20 different public wifi spots in order to sign up from unique ip addresses.

If you want to require identification to claim stakes, I will get to work borrowing people's identification and acquiring fake id scans (extremely easy to fake an id scan in photoshop)

Why go through all this trouble refunding accounts? It's already the fairest and most evenly spread ipo in crypto history, even with all the sockpuppets. Changing the rules and refunding stakes turns strong believers in NEM (people who put in the work to acquire multiple stakes) into NEM haters. Utopian future even said it himself:

"That's a lot of work already and if someone can go through all of that they have shown a lot of interest in NEM and probably deserve their stakes."

It is unfair a lot of people to change the terms of the ipo multiple times and start refunding people just because they offend you.

I dont't understand your hostility, more than likely you have a few accounts and have been found out, this is rational as your actions are not !

My accounts can not be found. I have listed the necessary precautions I took to make this impossible.

I fear we are opening up a can of worms by going on a witch hunt and only catching maybe 40% of the sockpuppets.

These people will be pissed off that people like me got to keep their multiple stakes and they didn't. This will lead to the creation of a bunch of unnecessary NEM haters.

Less NEM haters and more strong believers will make my 20 stakes a lot more valuable.

You have such a big mouth my friend...
Enjoy your 20 stakes while you have it. But rules are rules, and if somebody find you (it can happen), then its gone. If you read the thread, you will notice that the idea goes beyond merel speculation. So, if you want to value your stakes; I guess it is better to focus on how to give more value

Lucozade35

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Yes i agree people with the most to loose use usually make the most noise Grin

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Quote from: neilh on March 04, 2014, 03:49:11 PM

Quote from: utopianfuture on March 04, 2014, 03:45:22 PM

Well we could do website sign-up/ IP checking as someone suggested. It would take a bit of coordination/ effort but not impossible.

Yeah extra work, but blocking proxy traffic and track IP's should help!

Good luck blocking all tor and proxy traffic. Even if you somehow could, I would simply go around to 20 different public wifi spots in order to sign up from unique ip addresses.

If you want to require identification to claim stakes, I will get to work borrowing people's identification and acquiring fake id scans (extremely easy to fake an id scan in photoshop)

Why go through all this trouble refunding accounts? It's already the fairest and most evenly spread ipo in crypto history, even with all the sockpuppets. Changing the rules and refunding stakes turns strong believers in NEM (people who put in the work to acquire multiple stakes) into NEM haters. Utopian future even said it himself:

"That's a lot of work already and if someone can go through all of that they have shown a lot of interest in NEM and probably deserve their stakes."

It is unfair a lot of people to change the terms of the ipo multiple times and start refunding people just because they offend you.

I dont't understand your hostility, more than likely you have a few accounts and have been found out, this is rational as your actions are not !

neilh

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Quote from: neilh on March 04, 2014, 03:49:11 PM

Quote from: utopianfuture on March 04, 2014, 03:45:22 PM

Well we could do website sign-up/ IP checking as someone suggested. It would take a bit of coordination/ effort but not impossible.

Yeah extra work, but blocking proxy traffic and track IP's should help!

Good luck blocking all tor and proxy traffic. Even if you somehow could, I would simply go around to 20 different public wifi spots in order to sign up from unique ip addresses.

If you want to require identification to claim stakes, I will get to work borrowing people's identification and acquiring fake id scans (extremely easy to fake an id scan in photoshop)

Why go through all this trouble refunding accounts? It's already the fairest and most evenly spread ipo in crypto history, even with all the sockpuppets). Changing the rules and refunding stakes turns strong believers in NEM (people who put in the work to acquire multiple stakes) into NEM haters.

It is also unfair to change the terms of the ipo multiple times and start refunding people just because they offend you.

On the server level you can block all proxy, even if only for a short time while signups are completed.

At least the extra steps would make you work harder for it Wink

Same could be said about you going though all this trouble to try and get a bigger share! lol

neilh

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Quote from: utopianfuture on March 04, 2014, 03:45:22 PM

Well we could do website sign-up/ IP checking as someone suggested. It would take a bit of coordination/ effort but not impossible.

Yeah extra work, but blocking proxy traffic and track IP's should help!

utopianfuture

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Quote from: erkki12 on March 04, 2014, 03:43:29 PM

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Quote from: erkki12 on March 04, 2014, 03:12:50 PM

@DaFockBro

Don't worry you'll (probably) get you money back from your socketpuppet accounts Roll Eyes

Don't post about this subject in this thread again. It belongs to the public audition or stake complaint thread.

I used a blockchain's shared send feature and fresh addresses to pay for my 20 stakes. There is no way taint analysis can prove the 20 accounts that I control are connected.

I also used different proxies for each account so they all have different ip addresses associated with them.

I think it's bogus that I will get to keep my 20 stakes and other people will be refunded for doing the exact same thing in a less clever way.

At first I thought this distribution method was great, then I realized it's a bogus witch hunt that will only catch maybe 40% of the less clever sock puppets.

Well your an arrogant one, are you?

I will donate 1000 NXT and 10,000 NEM (when distributed) to the individual who can find out his accounts and prove evidence to back it up.

If somebody feels like adding some coins in to the pot please do!

Well we could do website sign-up/ IP checking as someone suggested. It would take a bit of coordination/ effort but not impossible.

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Quote from: erkki12 on March 04, 2014, 03:12:50 PM

@DaFockBro

Don't worry you'll (probably) get you money back from your socketpuppet accounts Roll Eyes

Don't post about this subject in this thread again. It belongs to the public audition or stake complaint thread.

I used a blockchain's shared send feature and fresh addresses to pay for my 20 stakes. There is no way taint analysis can prove the 20 accounts that I control are connected.

I also used different proxies for each account so they all have different ip addresses associated with them.

I think it's bogus that I will get to keep my 20 stakes and other people will be refunded for doing the exact same thing in a less clever way.

At first I thought this distribution method was great, then I realized it's a bogus witch hunt that will only catch maybe 40% of the less clever sock puppets.

Well your an arrogant one, are you?

I will donate 1000 NXT and 10,000 NEM (when distributed) to the individual who can find out his accounts and prove evidence to back it up.

If somebody feels like adding some coins in to the pot please do!

neilh

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Quote from: erkki12 on March 04, 2014, 03:12:50 PM

@DaFockBro

Don't worry you'll (probably) get you money back from your socketpuppet accounts Roll Eyes

Don't post about this subject in this thread again. It belongs to the public audition or stake complaint thread.

I used a blockchain's shared send feature and fresh addresses to pay for my 20 stakes. There is no way taint analysis can prove the 20 accounts that I control are connected.

I also used different proxies for each account so they all have different ip addresses associated with them.

I think it's bogus that I will get to keep my 20 stakes and other people will be refunded for doing the exact same thing in a less clever way.

At first I thought this distribution method was great, then I realized it's a bogus witch hunt that will only catch maybe 40% of the less clever sock puppets.

Why not have everyone once ready to distribute, signup on NEM website and provide each person a unique ID.

And block all proxy traffic until the signups are completed?

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WELL, WELL, WELL - How is "I won't prevent multiple buy-in" equal to "I encourage multiple buy-in" ? I won't prevent people peeing in the street is very different from I encourage people peeing in the street. It is clear that I said "I won't prevent multiple buy-in" because I couldn't at that point.

There are no new rules. The broad rules are still the same since day 1 including "the development team reserves the right to refund you the money if an effort to unfairly accumulate NEM stakes is discovered".

Taint analysis as well as activity analysis are considered new tools not new rules. DNA testing are applied back to many earlier unsolvable cases in early 80 when biological materials has emerged as the most reliable physical evidences at a crime scene. You remind me of certain rapists shouting why why why because when I did this/that there is no way someone could convict me.

I did not think of using these tools earlier and my thought that people won't take much effort to break the rules and register more than 5 shares seems to be wrong. But generally, I don't see any inconsistency in my thought of how the NEM fundrasing is supposed to work and how the NEM community is supposed to be.

erkki12

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@DaFockBro

Don't worry you'll (probably) get you money back from your socketpuppet accounts Roll Eyes

Don't post about this subject in this thread again. It belongs to the public audition or stake complaint thread.

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