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Topic: [NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 333. (Read 661499 times)

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A lot of people are talking/dreaming about a future price (in fiat/btc) of NEM and the wildest predictions come to mind.  Let's think this over in a realistic way.  3000 shareholders get about 1000000 NEM.  The initial input/price was between 0 and 0.08btc.  Let's take 0.04btc as an average.  This means  the initial value is 0.00000004btc.  If NEM hits an exchange, unlike 'traditional' mined cryptocurrencies 4 billion 'coins' will be available instantly.  Stakeholders ofcourse won't sell their million at this price.  Some, however, will do so when they have a (nice) profit of, let's say 100-500%.  This means that the market will be flooded by NEM at prices of 0.0000002btc.  If NEM proves to be a better 'system' than NXT, this value could rise ofcourse but then it has to prove alot (good for businesses, handy, good clients (better than NXT).  In order to do so, developpers will need bounties who are actually worth something.  If you put NEM against NXT, a big difference is that NXT was the new innovative kid in town with 73 stakeholders who had huuuuge amounts of NXT and who could miss a few 100K NXT.  This will be a real challenge to NEM, will the community (stakeholders) be prepared to donate a relative much more significant amount of their NEM (which won't be worth much initially) in order to develop the 'system'.  
Enthusiasm and logo's won't cut it this time I think.  A much bigger altruistic (read: sharing a lot of your NEM for the bigger cause and not haording them until they pay for your mortgage) effort will be needed.

Your thoughts?  

IMO it will depend on the final number of stakeholders. If the final number is 3000, maybe you can distribute 3 billion NEM (that is 1 million per stakeholder) and to put the remaining 1 billion in some sort of community fund that can support bounties, development, long-term investments etc. That can help to reduce the pressure of the stakeholders to give significant amount of NEM coins to this project and that money can be reserved to trade it (either the currency or a commodity). If the team decide to distribute it completely, then as you said, it is needed a bigger altruistic effort. In my case, I plan to reserve a 50% for my personal use and give the rest to finance any project or fund that the community required. Of course, it is not a rigid plan and it will depend on the evolution of the currency

I think bandar is correct. If i receive 1 million NEM, i will not be inclined to give a share of my stake so easily. In the opening post we have two kind of stakes: regular stakes en development stakes. So a part of NEM will be developed. But to continue and guarantee future development of NEM we need a development fund that should have a sizable stake as conbos suggests. A community committee could decide how to spend the funds. If we have a voting mechanism then the NEM community can decide who should be in the committee.



But how is that necessary a bad thing? When people doesnt give their coins for free does it mean at the same time maube price will instead be higher and after that, less is actually more...

I just dont get that concept, which you guys refer. We have allready 1500-2000 community, which i see an great advance looked from investment aspect.
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A lot of people are talking/dreaming about a future price (in fiat/btc) of NEM and the wildest predictions come to mind.  Let's think this over in a realistic way.  3000 shareholders get about 1000000 NEM.  The initial input/price was between 0 and 0.08btc.  Let's take 0.04btc as an average.  This means  the initial value is 0.00000004btc.  If NEM hits an exchange, unlike 'traditional' mined cryptocurrencies 4 billion 'coins' will be available instantly.  Stakeholders ofcourse won't sell their million at this price.  Some, however, will do so when they have a (nice) profit of, let's say 100-500%.  This means that the market will be flooded by NEM at prices of 0.0000002btc.  If NEM proves to be a better 'system' than NXT, this value could rise ofcourse but then it has to prove alot (good for businesses, handy, good clients (better than NXT).  In order to do so, developpers will need bounties who are actually worth something.  If you put NEM against NXT, a big difference is that NXT was the new innovative kid in town with 73 stakeholders who had huuuuge amounts of NXT and who could miss a few 100K NXT.  This will be a real challenge to NEM, will the community (stakeholders) be prepared to donate a relative much more significant amount of their NEM (which won't be worth much initially) in order to develop the 'system'. 
Enthusiasm and logo's won't cut it this time I think.  A much bigger altruistic (read: sharing a lot of your NEM for the bigger cause and not haording them until they pay for your mortgage) effort will be needed.

Your thoughts?   

IMO it will depend on the final number of stakeholders. If the final number is 3000, maybe you can distribute 3 billion NEM (that is 1 million per stakeholder) and to put the remaining 1 billion in some sort of community fund that can support bounties, development, long-term investments etc. That can help to reduce the pressure of the stakeholders to give significant amount of NEM coins to this project and that money can be reserved to trade it (either the currency or a commodity). If the team decide to distribute it completely, then as you said, it is needed a bigger altruistic effort. In my case, I plan to reserve a 50% for my personal use and give the rest to finance any project or fund that the community required. Of course, it is not a rigid plan and it will depend on the evolution of the currency

I think bandar is correct. If i receive 1 million NEM, i will not be inclined to give a share of my stake so easily. In the opening post we have two kind of stakes: regular stakes en development stakes. So a part of NEM will be developed. But to continue and guarantee future development of NEM we need a development fund that should have a sizable stake as conbos suggests. A community committee could decide how to spend the funds. If we have a voting mechanism then the NEM community can decide who should be in the committee.

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A lot of people are talking/dreaming about a future price (in fiat/btc) of NEM and the wildest predictions come to mind.  Let's think this over in a realistic way.  3000 shareholders get about 1000000 NEM.  The initial input/price was between 0 and 0.08btc.  Let's take 0.04btc as an average.  This means  the initial value is 0.00000004btc.  If NEM hits an exchange, unlike 'traditional' mined cryptocurrencies 4 billion 'coins' will be available instantly.  Stakeholders ofcourse won't sell their million at this price.  Some, however, will do so when they have a (nice) profit of, let's say 100-500%.  This means that the market will be flooded by NEM at prices of 0.0000002btc.  If NEM proves to be a better 'system' than NXT, this value could rise ofcourse but then it has to prove alot (good for businesses, handy, good clients (better than NXT).  In order to do so, developpers will need bounties who are actually worth something.  If you put NEM against NXT, a big difference is that NXT was the new innovative kid in town with 73 stakeholders who had huuuuge amounts of NXT and who could miss a few 100K NXT.  This will be a real challenge to NEM, will the community (stakeholders) be prepared to donate a relative much more significant amount of their NEM (which won't be worth much initially) in order to develop the 'system'.  
Enthusiasm and logo's won't cut it this time I think.  A much bigger altruistic (read: sharing a lot of your NEM for the bigger cause and not haording them until they pay for your mortgage) effort will be needed.

Your thoughts?  

I dont understand how you compare NEM and NXT, how is that theoretically a good thing have only 73 stakeholders ?

Markets will decide the price, when demand and supply met. So i just thought having 3000 "suppliers" at the beginning will presumably stabilize price volatility and growth rather than otherwise.

Case of NEM is of course big question mark at the moment. But if the demand will be like in NXT, i do see an option that stakeholders valuate their NEM much higher at the beginning than 73 NXT early adopters. Though we must have really good "product" and hype behind it.

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i have paid a while back is it too late to claim my nem coin i paid when we were at page 10
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A lot of people are talking/dreaming about a future price (in fiat/btc) of NEM and the wildest predictions come to mind.  Let's think this over in a realistic way.  3000 shareholders get about 1000000 NEM.  The initial input/price was between 0 and 0.08btc.  Let's take 0.04btc as an average.  This means  the initial value is 0.00000004btc.  If NEM hits an exchange, unlike 'traditional' mined cryptocurrencies 4 billion 'coins' will be available instantly.  Stakeholders ofcourse won't sell their million at this price.  Some, however, will do so when they have a (nice) profit of, let's say 100-500%.  This means that the market will be flooded by NEM at prices of 0.0000002btc.  If NEM proves to be a better 'system' than NXT, this value could rise ofcourse but then it has to prove alot (good for businesses, handy, good clients (better than NXT).  In order to do so, developpers will need bounties who are actually worth something.  If you put NEM against NXT, a big difference is that NXT was the new innovative kid in town with 73 stakeholders who had huuuuge amounts of NXT and who could miss a few 100K NXT.  This will be a real challenge to NEM, will the community (stakeholders) be prepared to donate a relative much more significant amount of their NEM (which won't be worth much initially) in order to develop the 'system'. 
Enthusiasm and logo's won't cut it this time I think.  A much bigger altruistic (read: sharing a lot of your NEM for the bigger cause and not haording them until they pay for your mortgage) effort will be needed.

Your thoughts?   

IMO it will depend on the final number of stakeholders. If the final number is 3000, maybe you can distribute 3 billion NEM (that is 1 million per stakeholder) and to put the remaining 1 billion in some sort of community fund that can support bounties, development, long-term investments etc. That can help to reduce the pressure of the stakeholders to give significant amount of NEM coins to this project and that money can be reserved to trade it (either the currency or a commodity). If the team decide to distribute it completely, then as you said, it is needed a bigger altruistic effort. In my case, I plan to reserve a 50% for my personal use and give the rest to finance any project or fund that the community required. Of course, it is not a rigid plan and it will depend on the evolution of the currency
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A lot of people are talking/dreaming about a future price (in fiat/btc) of NEM and the wildest predictions come to mind.  Let's think this over in a realistic way.  3000 shareholders get about 1000000 NEM.  The initial input/price was between 0 and 0.08btc.  Let's take 0.04btc as an average.  This means  the initial value is 0.00000004btc.  If NEM hits an exchange, unlike 'traditional' mined cryptocurrencies 4 billion 'coins' will be available instantly.  Stakeholders ofcourse won't sell their million at this price.  Some, however, will do so when they have a (nice) profit of, let's say 100-500%.  This means that the market will be flooded by NEM at prices of 0.0000002btc.  If NEM proves to be a better 'system' than NXT, this value could rise ofcourse but then it has to prove alot (good for businesses, handy, good clients (better than NXT).  In order to do so, developpers will need bounties who are actually worth something.  If you put NEM against NXT, a big difference is that NXT was the new innovative kid in town with 73 stakeholders who had huuuuge amounts of NXT and who could miss a few 100K NXT.  This will be a real challenge to NEM, will the community (stakeholders) be prepared to donate a relative much more significant amount of their NEM (which won't be worth much initially) in order to develop the 'system'. 
Enthusiasm and logo's won't cut it this time I think.  A much bigger altruistic (read: sharing a lot of your NEM for the bigger cause and not haording them until they pay for your mortgage) effort will be needed.

Your thoughts?   
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NEM ....best currency distribution ever ...!!!!!!!


I really like this. I dont know why. Maybe its the Simplicity. A New Economy doesn't need to be complicated.
Too plain though.lets add some fantastic colours

that can be arranged. Wink  I don't know if any entity still holds the trademark to the image though. It used to be used for something else... by that I mean the circle, triangle, square logo.  I'm sure some posters here must know what... a hint would be that if you watched "star trek voyager" when it was putting out new episodes you likely watched it on what network?



Not bad at all and better than most of the  logos posted so far.....hey nobody owns circles, triangles and squares so should be ok.

The colours are fine but could you still include the black ,shaded outlining that you used in first example?
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NEM ....best currency distribution ever ...!!!!!!!


I really like this. I dont know why. Maybe its the Simplicity. A New Economy doesn't need to be complicated.
Too plain though.lets add some fantastic colours

that can be arranged. Wink  I don't know if any entity still holds the trademark to the image though. It used to be used for something else... by that I mean the circle, triangle, square logo.  I'm sure some posters here must know what... a hint would be that if you watched "star trek voyager" when it was putting out new episodes you likely watched it on what network?



Not bad at all and better than most of the  logos posted so far.....hey nobody owns circles, triangles and squares so should be ok.
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Thanks for the support! Cya there.
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I Will engourage NEM supporters to join NEM forum here -> http://forum.nemcoin.com
(nemcoin.userboard.net transfered there)

could you transfer the old posts there ? or do we start anew ?

This is a new platform that gives us potential to upscale if (when) needed. The platfrom is same as here at BTT. We can't transfer the old post there but i have encouraged all to post the old topics there.

If needed i can pm the old topics to the original posters (because they can access the old forum), you can make a request here http://forum.nemcoin.com/index.php?topic=14.0. Utopian remember to register to the new forum Wink

We are sorry for the inconvenience!

Best regards,
Shantell & erkki12

I updated the front page to the new forum. good job.

Thanks and thanks Cheesy

The NEM forum looks really nice. I just created my profile there. I will check it regularly and write some poosts when I can have something smart to say :-)
Long live to NEM!!
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I Will engourage NEM supporters to join NEM forum here -> http://forum.nemcoin.com
(nemcoin.userboard.net transfered there)

could you transfer the old posts there ? or do we start anew ?

This is a new platform that gives us potential to upscale if (when) needed. The platfrom is same as here at BTT. We can't transfer the old post there but i have encouraged all to post the old topics there.

If needed i can pm the old topics to the original posters (because they can access the old forum), you can make a request here http://forum.nemcoin.com/index.php?topic=14.0. Utopian remember to register to the new forum Wink

We are sorry for the inconvenience!

Best regards,
Shantell & erkki12

I updated the front page to the new forum. good job.

Thanks and thanks Cheesy
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@play4ace I like this one with some further refinements. But why the letter "E" is cut in the corner ?

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2813/12812648023_66f0263fb8.jpg
f6i4 by futureutopian, on Flickr

hi UP,
Its mainly because of the spacing. The small circle in the middle would have the same spacing to the "u-shape", as the "u-shape" has to the outer circle. But I also think the open ends add some character.
Here another option:

http://imageshack.com/a/img839/3706/7egy.png

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I Will engourage NEM supporters to join NEM forum here -> http://forum.nemcoin.com
(nemcoin.userboard.net transfered there)

could you transfer the old posts there ? or do we start anew ?

This is a new platform that gives us potential to upscale if (when) needed. The platfrom is same as here at BTT. We can't transfer the old post there but i have encouraged all to post the old topics there.

If needed i can pm the old topics to the original posters (because they can access the old forum), you can make a request here http://forum.nemcoin.com/index.php?topic=14.0. Utopian remember to register to the new forum Wink

We are sorry for the inconvenience!

Best regards,
Shantell & erkki12

I updated the front page to the new forum. good job.
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I really like this. I dont know why. Maybe its the Simplicity. A New Economy doesn't need to be complicated.
Too plain though.lets add some fantastic colours

that can be arranged. Wink  I don't know if any entity still holds the trademark to the image though. It used to be used for something else... by that I mean the circle, triangle, square logo.  I'm sure some posters here must know what... a hint would be that if you watched "star trek voyager" when it was putting out new episodes you likely watched it on what network?

newbie
Activity: 16
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I Will engourage NEM supporters to join NEM forum here -> http://forum.nemcoin.com
(nemcoin.userboard.net transfered there)

could you transfer the old posts there ? or do we start anew ?

This is a new platform that gives us potential to upscale if (when) needed. The platfrom is same as here at BTT. We can't transfer the old post there but i have encouraged all to post the old topics there.

If needed i can pm the old topics to the original posters (because they can access the old forum), you can make a request here http://forum.nemcoin.com/index.php?topic=14.0. Utopian remember to register to the new forum Wink

We are sorry for the inconvenience!

Best regards,
Shantell & erkki12
sr. member
Activity: 602
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Internet of Value
I Will engourage NEM supporters to join NEM forum here -> http://forum.nemcoin.com
(nemcoin.userboard.net transfered there)

could you transfer the old posts there ? or do we start anew ?
newbie
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I Will engourage NEM supporters to join NEM forum here -> http://forum.nemcoin.com
(nemcoin.userboard.net transfered there)
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NEM ....best currency distribution ever ...!!!!!!!


Cheesy


I really like this. I dont know why. Maybe its the Simplicity. A New Economy doesn't need to be complicated.
Too plain though.lets add some fantastic colours
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xchange/statuses/439064583756845056

First

NEM > EUR
NEM > Dollar

Could be managed by the help of Dgex.
Well if it's true that would be great news. I hope Dgex pull it off, they have proved a solid exchange and i prefer to leave my NXT coins there instead of my wallet even with a 90+password.
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