[NEM] NEM -New Economy Movement - No Envy Movement - Updates+Discussion thread - page 46.

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Quote from: makoto1337 on June 03, 2014, 01:56:41 AM

Quote from: patmast3r on June 03, 2014, 01:34:08 AM

I will jump for joy on the day that we can move to an official NEM forum.

Seeing what kind of idiots the Quora communtiy seems to house I'm almost delighted by the NEM community. When I say NEM community I mean the people that are actively trying to engage not the ******** that only ask when the launch will be or when they can get their stakes.

If it was up to me I'd kick everyone of the list that asks a question which is either answered on the first page or on the last 2 pages before their post.

I always thought we'd need a presence at btt even after launch but seeing that btt consists of 80 % retards and 5 % trolls I don't think so anymore. The remaining 15 % will hear of NEM one way or another.

We can see why Satoshi left...

...to start NEM Wink

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Quote from: makoto1337 on June 03, 2014, 01:55:16 AM

Quote from: gimre on June 03, 2014, 01:25:35 AM

Quote from: makoto1337 on June 02, 2014, 06:42:00 PM

I think dividing it by the country's computer-using population is not helpful because this is already the number of client downloads and we probably only care about that magnitude (unless you want to know per-capita bitcoin users for trivia).

Which of those two groups would be more important for the community:

1M of 20M nation (5%)
2M of 400M nation (0.5%)

I would say the 2M Cheesy

I understand your point, though. Having 100 million users in Japan would be a very dynamic than 100 million users in India.

Oh yes!
Japan - a great high-tech country - Power
1 000 000 Japanese (with all due respect)
is not equal to 1 000 000 Hindus

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Quote from: patmast3r on June 03, 2014, 01:34:08 AM

I will jump for joy on the day that we can move to an official NEM forum.

Seeing what kind of idiots the Quora communtiy seems to house I'm almost delighted by the NEM community. When I say NEM community I mean the people that are actively trying to engage not the ******** that only ask when the launch will be or when they can get their stakes.

If it was up to me I'd kick everyone of the list that asks a question which is either answered on the first page or on the last 2 pages before their post.

I always thought we'd need a presence at btt even after launch but seeing that btt consists of 80 % retards and 5 % trolls I don't think so anymore. The remaining 15 % will hear of NEM one way or another.

We can see why Satoshi left...

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Quote from: gimre on June 03, 2014, 01:25:35 AM

Quote from: makoto1337 on June 02, 2014, 06:42:00 PM

I think dividing it by the country's computer-using population is not helpful because this is already the number of client downloads and we probably only care about that magnitude (unless you want to know per-capita bitcoin users for trivia).

Which of those two groups would be more important for the community:

1M of 20M nation (5%)
2M of 400M nation (0.5%)

I would say the 2M Cheesy

I understand your point, though. Having 100 million users in Japan would be a very dynamic than 100 million users in India.

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I will jump for joy on the day that we can move to an official NEM forum.

Seeing what kind of idiots the Quora communtiy seems to house I'm almost delighted by the NEM community. When I say NEM community I mean the people that are actively trying to engage not the ******** that only ask when the launch will be or when they can get their stakes.

If it was up to me I'd kick everyone of the list that asks a question which is either answered on the first page or on the last 2 pages before their post.

I always thought we'd need a presence at btt even after launch but seeing that btt consists of 80 % retards and 5 % trolls I don't think so anymore. The remaining 15 % will hear of NEM one way or another.

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Quote from: makoto1337 on June 02, 2014, 06:42:00 PM

I think dividing it by the country's computer-using population is not helpful because this is already the number of client downloads and we probably only care about that magnitude (unless you want to know per-capita bitcoin users for trivia).

Which of those two groups would be more important for the community:

1M of 20M nation (5%)
2M of 400M nation (0.5%)

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Quote from: jkoil on June 02, 2014, 04:30:06 PM

The "randomness" is one characteristic, the other is the length. My passwords' randomness is enough due to certain things, which is used in the pw generation - which is not revealed here either

And length I certainly have enough.

Bottom line: Look at top of this page (bitcointalk.org). The connection is encrypted. How does that encryption work? The encryption key is exchanged between your computer and BTT server using cryptography that relies on random number generator. Otherwise your BTT password would go through internet (bouncing around dozens of servers) in plain text and could be easily stolen, along with your nem stake.

you already rely on CSPRNG to do everything online that is supposed to be secure. Nothing online is secure without CSPRNG.

Not a single thing.

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Cryptocurrencies, decentralization, lower trust level ...
pw manager, centralization, higher trust level.

(ok, ofc some centralization and trust is needed somewhere sometimes, but ...)

You already trust a lot of things -- for example your operating system. How do you know it's not sending your info to NSA?'

There is no such thing as zero trust.

With Lastpass encryption is done locally on your computer. They only get encrypted blob. Key is derived from thousands of hashes (PBKDF2) so even in very unlikely scenario their server is hacked brute force attack would still be very hard, as their server doesn't have encryption key.

It's a question of convenience and security and it's much easier to stay secure if a user is using password manager (online backup, long random unique passwords for all sites, two factor authentication, auto fils and several other anti-key logger measures) .

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Quote from: nutildah on June 02, 2014, 07:12:52 PM

Quote from: TwinWinNerD on June 02, 2014, 05:28:43 PM

Yes selling now is only good if you are a skilled daytrader and can exploit the obvious declining price until its at 15000. NXT doesn't have fees, so it could be possible.

NXT does have fees. 1 NXT to place an order, 1 to cancel it.

The trading doesn't have fees, only the placement of the orders have. So I would say it has no fees. Also if you buy a 1,000,000 NXT order you still only pay 1 NXT Wink

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I hope the alpha is out this month.

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Quote from: nutildah on June 02, 2014, 07:17:52 PM

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hold for about 6 months.. beta is (roughly estimated) in august.

if you still have a stake by then you will be one happy puppy! why bail out before it makes the largest jump in price...

How do you know this?

its in the development road map.. youl find all the links on the front page of this thread.

(the "hold and youl be a happy puppy" part isnt in it..) lol

OK thank you, I do appreciate the response.

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Quote from: drawingthesun on June 02, 2014, 09:29:17 PM

Utopianfuture, from the main page somewhere you made it seem like there is a limit to how many people can sell their Nemstake via the Nxt asset market.

Am I wrong? Did I misread that?

There are a total 1000 tokens (25% of the total supply). If it is running out you cannot request token in Nxt asset exchange anymore but I will be open to issue similar tokens in other Platform like Counter Party Protocol.

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Utopianfuture, from the main page somewhere you made it seem like there is a limit to how many people can sell their Nemstake via the Nxt asset market.

Am I wrong? Did I misread that?

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Quote from: makoto1337 on June 02, 2014, 06:42:00 PM

Quote from: gimre on June 02, 2014, 12:39:55 AM

Quote from: makoto1337 on June 01, 2014, 08:36:49 PM

http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/stats/map?dates=2014-05-27+to+2014-06-02

Looking at bitcoin client downloads by country should help us to prioritize languages. Recently Vietnam has been at the top. Maybe because of fears of war with their large neighbor.

to have bit better data, you'd probably have to take longer timespan and divide it by country's population using computers (or at least by population) (results would be REALLY interesting to see)

It's be cool to plot countries over time. I think dividing it by the country's computer-using population is not helpful because this is already the number of client downloads and we probably only care about that magnitude (unless you want to know per-capita bitcoin users for trivia).

great to see devs disusing things here on the thread! more things should be discussed here. it builds interest from the rest of the community even if they cannot input into the topic. plus you never know when a regular stake holder will think they can help and then offer!

If someone wants to do this analysis, that should be easy to do and also helpful Cheesy

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Quote from: utopianfuture on June 02, 2014, 09:22:02 PM

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Quote from: frankkkkkkk on June 02, 2014, 08:18:42 PM

this coin waste too long time

many brain cells your head doesnt have

look man, if this is how you are going to be treating potential investors, well you are obviously not the person cut out for any public liason type position.

So you're saying the _beta_ _might_ come out in _August???_ the guy has a definite point in that case! And you're just belittling him because perhaps English isn't his first language?

Kodty can say what he wants because he is not a NEM public person. He is a volunteer.

You all can always say whatever you want. That doesn't make it a good idea. I have a lot less to lose than you guys.

I have nothing to lose. I rather have a volunteer than an investor. So stay away if you wish.

Of course you would, volunteers are free!

Of course you have something to lose: your time. Arguably the most important thing of all.

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Quote from: nutildah on June 02, 2014, 09:14:27 PM

Quote from: utopianfuture on June 02, 2014, 09:06:12 PM

Quote from: nutildah on June 02, 2014, 08:53:47 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: frankkkkkkk on June 02, 2014, 08:18:42 PM

this coin waste too long time

many brain cells your head doesnt have

look man, if this is how you are going to be treating potential investors, well you are obviously not the person cut out for any public liason type position.

So you're saying the _beta_ _might_ come out in _August???_ the guy has a definite point in that case! And you're just belittling him because perhaps English isn't his first language?

Kodty can say what he wants because he is not a NEM public person. He is a volunteer.

You all can always say whatever you want. That doesn't make it a good idea. I have a lot less to lose than you guys.

I have nothing to lose. I rather have a volunteer than an investor. So stay away if you wish.

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Quote from: utopianfuture on June 02, 2014, 09:06:12 PM

Quote from: nutildah on June 02, 2014, 08:53:47 PM

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Quote from: frankkkkkkk on June 02, 2014, 08:18:42 PM

this coin waste too long time

many brain cells your head doesnt have

look man, if this is how you are going to be treating potential investors, well you are obviously not the person cut out for any public liason type position.

So you're saying the _beta_ _might_ come out in _August???_ the guy has a definite point in that case! And you're just belittling him because perhaps English isn't his first language?

Kodty can say what he wants because he is not a NEM public person. He is a volunteer.

You all can always say whatever you want. That doesn't make it a good idea. I have a lot less to lose than you guys.

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People like to ask "Why is NEM taking so long?"

The dev's are doing this part-time, they care about quality, they are coming up with a whole new system in POI, what they call alpha is what most coins call stable, it is being made so features later on can be added easily,the gui will also be new.

Now I ask you, "How long should NEM take?"

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Quote from: jenea4pda on June 02, 2014, 11:03:47 AM

Quote from: makoto1337 on June 01, 2014, 08:46:35 PM

As a note, for the ecosystem sites (like the blockchain explorer), we are planning to support multiple languages at the beginning, like English, French, German, Spanish, Chinese, and Japanese.

We need someone good at French and Spanish right now.

If anyone wants more languages, then please volunteer to help translate. I'd really love to get Russian, Czech, Ukrainian, Vietnamese, Thai, Bhutanese, and Nepalese there as well.

I will be happy to translate in Russian, no problem at all.

Feel free to contact me. Add me please as well in trello language experts.

Best Wishes.

I can do Romanian language. PM if your interested for my help. cheers

Please post here: https://trello.com/c/xFYUmQvT/56-language-experts

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Quote from: nutildah on June 02, 2014, 08:53:47 PM

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Quote from: frankkkkkkk on June 02, 2014, 08:18:42 PM

this coin waste too long time

many brain cells your head doesnt have

look man, if this is how you are going to be treating potential investors, well you are obviously not the person cut out for any public liason type position.

So you're saying the _beta_ _might_ come out in _August???_ the guy has a definite point in that case! And you're just belittling him because perhaps English isn't his first language?

Kodty can say what he wants because he is not a NEM public person. He is a volunteer.

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Quote from: frankkkkkkk on June 02, 2014, 08:18:42 PM

this coin waste too long time

Innovation need time.

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