Topic: ***NEM*** Should NEM organize the second stakeholder list auditing ? (Read 2689 times)

I consider it good publicity.  Many people came into Bitcoin just from all the news about it hitting $1000+ in late 2013.

Yes his article is full of misinformation. Mind you - there's no centralized page detailing NEM.  To understand NEM, you have to go through a hundred pages of posts and download an alpha and frankly that's too much work in this day and age where people have an attention span of 5 seconds. There needs to be a media package or an information website.  Even a Wikipedia article would be a start (Ethereum and NxT has one..)

sometimes you just gotta let people believe what they want to believe. hopefully others who are serious will put in their due diligence and own research and come to their own conclusions.

in general i thought the story kind of had a shystery air to it but i didnt want to say anything.

some say that any press is good press, so don't let it bother you too much

Dude you guys need to stop getting nuts over at Lets Talk Bitcoin.

There's an air of civility over there that you're clouding in an attempt to defend your coin. Calling their author's articles "crap" (even if they are) isn't going to win you any favors.

It doesn't make sence, to do anything about that now.
Face it: its too late! The coin is already on the market. The market should be able to freely trade it.

The team should concentrate on going further with the coin and promoting it.
Threads like this only hurt the coin. Please close it.

We've seen many people claiming that there are a lot of puppets but so far noone has shown any form of proof. That's why I reacted like I did. Just post proof or shut the hell up. What's the point ?

Usually I would support projects from the community but this is something that will do nothing but make another fuzz about socks and piss people off.

You know very well he can't prove it.

I can understand you guys can reach your limits with the constant questioning and accusations. Why not just passively endorse a "3rd party" audit conducted by fellow NEM enthusiasts in the community who have nothing to do with you on a personal level. As was pointed out earlier its easy for anyone to conduct most of the audit on their own, they just have to take charge.

At this point I don't care, I read the last 20 pages of the moderated thread and agree with Kod that people with skills who want to help out might better put their time to use working on NEM-related projects. If I was a programmer, well I'd make my own software for my own assets first but later I'd work on NEM stuff too.

Yeah, prove it or shut the fuck up.

YES: NEM have many socks and second auditing is needed.
Many socks are voting.It is not fair.

I'm pretty sure we're not going to stick to that rule. There's no real way of enforcing it anway and also the AE is to be considered the free market and we shouldn't try to regulate that. 
I can't say 100% sure since this hasn't been discussed with everyone.

for me it doesn't make sence to limit that now. how can you control that anyway. everyone can have multiple nxt accounts and multiple BTT accounts. as you probably wont look for sockpuppets in there, because he payed a lot for the stake already...
and how is it, if you have already a free stake, that is not on the AE? can you buy 1 or 2 then? doesn't make sence ...

Any clarification on this? I was considering buying more stakes

Well Pat - as I've said before, it's not clear to people whether there is a limit on the AE or not.  I was under the impression that limit of two tokens was lifted a long time ago (since it represents trading which would had happened if NEM launched), but there's some vagueness on that subject.

Okay. Thanks.

I thought we were talking about the stakeholderlist are we not ? If you bought on the NXT AE then you are not on that list.
Obviously we're not going to regulate the free market.

This does not make sense as I buy off AE exchange. So you want to bother me as much as possible if I buy and support NEMstake in the AE exchange? You guys should be clear about what you want. If you don't want me to buy more than 2 then say it then I am going to sell off everything I have but be clear about it.

I'm not going to engage in any of the FUD I had to read through in this thread. We've addressed this stuff on multiple occasions.

What I do want to address is the whole second audit thing. There will be no second audit of the list as it is at least not from the core team. It just doesn't make any sense.
We're certainly not going to consider any results from NODE since little information is revealed on how they are identifying puppets and imho what they're doing isn't the right way to handle such things.
We are however in the process of desgining how stakes will be claimed. We're looking to make it as hard as possible and as time consuming as possible to claim multiple stakes from one machine. We all know that this isn't a 100% deterrent but we think it's the only thing left that makes sense and is fair.

Think about what puppets will do with their stakes anyway. They're going to sell them which is only distributing NEM further. As long as there are no huge whales around (which is exactly what we're trying to avoid with a technical approach) a few puppets won't hurt NEM. What will hurt NEM is starting this puppet hunt all over again.

Why open up votes on btt ? Every single person on btt can vote even the ones who haven't heared about NEM before - how much sense does that make ? Wanna have a vote among the community do it in our forum

Code47 wrote what I feel about everything, even the cube part.

Why buy NEM if someone's going to take it from you?  We don't need that uncertainty.  We need assurance that the stakeholder list is final (barring some major abuse) and that any tokens we buy (1 or 100) will count as NEM at launch.

It's time we present confidence not uncertainty.  As we speak NEM is 25K to 27K NxT which is normal range but arguably it should be 32K if people weren't subject to these scares.

Not very happy with what is going on in NEM these days. I bought my stake for 1600 dollars. It used to go up and down, which is natural. Since these new guys took over NEM, it went only down.

I checked final stakeholder list, ARGpentem is not there. He is not original stakeholder, he is buying stakes from AE. He said that he lost 1 million dollars before, so I guess he is not poor guy. He is overly active when it comes to sockpuppets. He created this poll, even though there was no demand for it.

He restricted it to "members", which disqualifies third of Nemsters. Almost 68% of nemsters that actively follows AND have atleast member ranking is against new auditing.

This whole thing is very negative, it creates lot of uncertainity. It makes sense that NEM price is just falling and it is not just because of NXT. Dont let some whale manipulate you guys. Stop making investors unhappy.

You are opening pandora box. Who and how will decide, who is and who is not sockpuppet? Some extroverted blabla guys?
NEM was social contract between Utopianguy and investors, result of this contract was "final stakeholder list". Today NEM stake is 1000 dollars.
How can you just take 1000 dollars from someone, what gives you right, to do so. Will there be vote on every case?

I see just bad decisions. Also, why is logo of NEM tomoe and not cube, when cube was liked by community and tomoe is not.

What is wrong with you people, why you go against will of community? I dont get it.
I swear NEM is turning into Qora.

EDIT: I dont blame core team, I understand they are busy with coding. Just felt like community departed from original legacy. Thank you Kod and Pat. I like the idea with technical approach at launch much more. 

Agree with You, Chris001

Agree^^^

All these people should work on ways to make NEM better. This is not one of them. This was already done. It's over, and the community has voted.

Why do we put up a vote, then go against the community decision?