NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs - page 1349.

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Quote from: patmast3r on March 11, 2015, 09:38:28 AM

Quote from: okaynow on March 11, 2015, 09:34:53 AM

i did not say teh logo discussion delayed the launch Pat.

I did point out that CfB proposed an interesting automated way to eradicate the insider sockpuppets, and record it on the blockchain.
Are you saying that there are no insider sockpuppets controlling massive stakes?

I'm pretty sure there are none.
You suggested we were delaying launch for the logo discussion and not for what CfB suggested which isn't true.

I like how you like to avoid the point of discussion, even when it is pointed out to you.(pun intended)
I also like how you are "pretty sure there are no insider sockpupets"

So, you know there are no outsider sockpuppets as you have pointed out so many times because of the huge amount of work that was put on killing them,
but you are only "pretty sure" when it comes to the insiders doing it.

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Quote from: okaynow on March 11, 2015, 09:34:53 AM

i did not say teh logo discussion delayed the launch Pat.

I did point out that CfB proposed an interesting automated way to eradicate the insider sockpuppets, and record it on the blockchain.
Are you saying that there are no insider sockpuppets controlling massive stakes?

I'm pretty sure there are none.
You suggested we were delaying launch for the logo discussion and not for what CfB suggested which isn't true.

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i did not say teh logo discussion delayed the launch Pat.

I did point out that CfB proposed an interesting automated way to eradicate the insider sockpuppets, and record it on the blockchain.
Are you saying that there are no insider sockpuppets controlling massive stakes?

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Quote from: okaynow on March 11, 2015, 09:27:28 AM

Quote from: patmast3r on March 11, 2015, 06:11:10 AM

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on March 11, 2015, 06:04:11 AM

Quote from: patmast3r on March 11, 2015, 05:56:45 AM

What exactly do you have in mind ? What would that look like ?

Everyone who controls private keys to a set of stakes that need to be investigated (excluding those from Nxt AE I think) launches NEM wallet and leave it open. At some moment (triggered by Bitcoin block N, data can be gotten from Blockchain.Info easily) all the wallets start solving cryptographical puzzles depending on Bitcoin block hash and NEM account id. In 15 minutes these puzzles are sent to a server controlled by NEM devs and the hash of received puzzles is published and copied by a lot of people who have to wait these 15 minutes.

After that we can make a good assessment how many computers "controlled" by a particular NEM stake and we can verify the puzzles because their hash is publicly known. Someone owning 100 stakes have to find 100 computers.

That would basically be another round of redemption and that takes months. I don't think we have the time for that. You could have suggested that half a year ago

Oh that's so cool, so we can have neverending logo discussions, but not really clean up all the insider sockpuppets, that will end up nicely i am sure.

How often do you need to hear it ?
The logo discussion didn't delay launch! Is that so hard to understand?
Not to mention a part of the community held the whole thing. Are the devs supposed to keep the community from showing some activity ?

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Quote from: patmast3r on March 11, 2015, 06:11:10 AM

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on March 11, 2015, 06:04:11 AM

Quote from: patmast3r on March 11, 2015, 05:56:45 AM

What exactly do you have in mind ? What would that look like ?

Everyone who controls private keys to a set of stakes that need to be investigated (excluding those from Nxt AE I think) launches NEM wallet and leave it open. At some moment (triggered by Bitcoin block N, data can be gotten from Blockchain.Info easily) all the wallets start solving cryptographical puzzles depending on Bitcoin block hash and NEM account id. In 15 minutes these puzzles are sent to a server controlled by NEM devs and the hash of received puzzles is published and copied by a lot of people who have to wait these 15 minutes.

After that we can make a good assessment how many computers "controlled" by a particular NEM stake and we can verify the puzzles because their hash is publicly known. Someone owning 100 stakes have to find 100 computers.

That would basically be another round of redemption and that takes months. I don't think we have the time for that. You could have suggested that half a year ago

Oh that's so cool, so we can have neverending logo discussions, but not really clean up all the insider sockpuppets in an automated way that records the findings on the blockchain, that will end up nicely i am sure.

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Entertaining Come-from-Beyond's LEGENDARY-TROLLING is even worst than not kicking out the HEAD-accounts of the sockpuppet clusters... Roll Eyes

I bet you don't know meaning of "cluster"...

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Quote from: NoirSuccubus on March 11, 2015, 08:53:56 AM

This just in: Cfb with plans to make nems first clone.

Spin-off in not about cloning.

So far NEM had the most effort put into sockpuppet eradication and this was a good starting point. But after that story about Mr.X I can't write in ANN thread that project A is based on NEM initial distribution. At the moment NEM has 2 USPs left - dev team and PoI - but I have a bad feeling about the latter...

Any ETA on PoI yellowpaper, btw?

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on March 11, 2015, 08:09:48 AM

Quote from: patmast3r on March 11, 2015, 07:48:07 AM

Care to enlighten us what you did mean ?

I will do a separate distribution instead of using NEM genesis for a spin-off.

This just in: Cfb with plans to make nems first clone.

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A few people asked but I'm not sure there was ever an answer about why the original 75%-25% figure is not being upheld?

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10% wow
Can i join the dev team? I have no tech competence but i can bring you coffee and beluga caviar made in china

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Quote from: patmast3r on March 11, 2015, 07:48:07 AM

Care to enlighten us what you did mean ?

I will do a separate distribution instead of using NEM genesis for a spin-off.

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Quote from: makoto1337 on March 11, 2015, 03:40:22 AM

Quote from: bitcoingirly on March 11, 2015, 03:37:22 AM

Quote from: makoto1337 on March 11, 2015, 02:44:43 AM

Quote from: BuliH on March 11, 2015, 02:25:09 AM

Quote from: makoto1337 on March 10, 2015, 08:32:15 PM

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on March 10, 2015, 04:42:50 AM

Quote from: makoto1337 on March 09, 2015, 08:40:16 PM

Here are some interesting stats about the accounts in NEMESIS:

avg post count: 211
avg registered days after NEM start: -64 (meaning registered 64 days before NEM start on avg)
avg number of days since last active (from 3/8): 65

For comparison, here are the same stats for sock accounts:

avg sock post count: 5
avg sock registered days after NEM start: 11
avg number of days since socks were last active: 203

You can't rely on this because Ripple Giveaway led to a lot of sockpuppet accounts created in advance (because of expectations that another coin will use the same approach). For a better assessment you should do Resource Testing trick which would show how many computers are owned by the remaining accounts. If you get that only 30% accounts own a computer then you could reliably assume that 70% are sockpuppets.

In this case, post count is a fair approximation for a proof of work

People who have only 1 post in the past year are not likely to be real people. And if they are, then they are even less likely to be able to contribute anything to NEM.

There was no requirement of an amount of posts for the people who paid for their stakes in the beginning. And paying or investing in the development of NEM is in my opinion already contributing to NEM. There are people like me who have contributed initially by investing and followed the progress of an interesting development project from the sidelines and now find themselves kicked out. It doesn't mean that they are not going to contribute by supporting the economy after the launch. People just have different amount of time, skills and knowledge to participate in the conversation.

No, so posts were just one criteria. As explained in the forums, IPs or fingerprints had to be linked. Once that link was established, the posts of potential socks were read and determined if they were a real person or not.

But don't worry, there will be a way for legitimate people to complain.

You guys finally tried my patience. I have jumped through all your fucking stupid rings to get this now outdated coin. I used a sockpuppet as I am the devloper of a well known coin and don't want my name all over another coin. When I invested I thougt it had some potential but after all the bullshit of the founder being found to be a scammer and all this bullshit and to end up with a NXT look alike wallet I'm absolutely Fucking done with your childish bullshit. What fuckong hopeless team ends up with 60% of the coins and says it egalatarian. Fuckwits.....I'm out.

As per the rules, people are allowed 1 sock account. If you have a legitimate excuse, then please contact us through the appeal process, which will be announced shortly. Just stop spamming our thread

None of the sock/unclaimed stakes will be used by the core team, as explained previously. The NEM devs are only getting 10% of the coins in total, up to the V1 launch, which is still many months away. We are not violating our principles.

10% for developers!!!!!!!!!!

There are shit coins that have had their reputaion destroyed by having a smaller premine!

There is NOTHING new and fair about this distribution, I think everyone can see this now.

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on March 11, 2015, 07:47:08 AM

Quote from: patmast3r on March 11, 2015, 07:17:54 AM

If you find a solution to do this investigation anyway that'd be awesome. But I guess that's not what you meant ?

Your guess is correct.

Care to enlighten us what you did mean ?

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Quote from: patmast3r on March 11, 2015, 07:17:54 AM

If you find a solution to do this investigation anyway that'd be awesome. But I guess that's not what you meant ?

Your guess is correct.

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on March 11, 2015, 07:13:40 AM

Ok, looks like I came here too late. This was my fault and I'll fix it by myself.

If you find a solution to do this investigation anyway that'd be awesome. But I guess that's not what you meant ?

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Ok, looks like I came here too late. This was my fault and I'll fix it by myself.

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Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on March 11, 2015, 07:00:19 AM

Quote from: patmast3r on March 11, 2015, 06:57:50 AM

roughly 1400 people have to have their client running at the same time. That's like waiting for some special stellar constellation

Not to mention that a huge chunk of stakeholders only drop by once a month so it would have to be at least 1 month after the announcement which even if the announcement was made right now would be later than what we hope to be launch.

Not running at the same time. Launching it one day before and leaving it working.

Why you can't postpone the launch a little?

I think there are about 500 people that would kill us if we postponed because of anything other than technical reasons.
If people were like "Well that's worth it let's postpone for that" then I'd personally consider it (no idea what the rest thinks) but I don't think that's the case at all.

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I am not Dorian Nakamoto.

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on March 11, 2015, 07:00:19 AM

Quote from: patmast3r on March 11, 2015, 06:57:50 AM

roughly 1400 people have to have their client running at the same time. That's like waiting for some special stellar constellation

Not to mention that a huge chunk of stakeholders only drop by once a month so it would have to be at least 1 month after the announcement which even if the announcement was made right now would be later than what we hope to be launch.

Not running at the same time. Launching it one day before and leaving it working.

Why you can't postpone the launch a little?

Assuming we are still on track for launch, there's no time left to do this.

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Quote from: patmast3r on March 11, 2015, 06:57:50 AM

roughly 1400 people have to have their client running at the same time. That's like waiting for some special stellar constellation

Not to mention that a huge chunk of stakeholders only drop by once a month so it would have to be at least 1 month after the announcement which even if the announcement was made right now would be later than what we hope to be launch.

Not running at the same time. Launching it one day before and leaving it working.

Why you can't postpone the launch a little?

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