We all virtually lost money with those neverending delays. Except those smart enough not to redeem.
Mid-march....errr. Starting to think that the team has pathological issues about taking the decision on actually releasing the damn thing
Mid-march....errr. Starting to think that the team has pathological issues about taking the decision on actually releasing the damn thing
I am going to tag on to your comment, but I will refrain from name calling.
I do believe there is a good possibility that those of us that have claimed our stakes have pushed the market supply down and prices up for those still trading their stake. Anyone who says that is unlikely I would like to hear why.
I do believe the delayed launch has hurt NEM. How much I do not think anyone can really gauge that.
I do believe the "Developers" are working hard but I have seen an attitude shift in their posts as well. They are almost making fun of themselves at this point, so I think even they are frustrated with the delays and it is starting to wear on everyone, developers, investors, and believers. I myself find myself checking this thread less and less. I am sure many have lost interest at this point.
But is there any real way to measure the damage without anecdotal evidence? I don;t believe so. So the proof will be in the pudding so to speak. The few times I or others have posted concerns about the never ending delays it is reiterated that everyone is going to see this through. I get excited and cheer on NEM once again, but I am starting to have serious concerns as a community member, as I am sure others are getting concerned as well.
But I have claimed my stake and have no option but to ride it out until/if NEM launches and see if the roulette wheel lands on Black or Red, or if the ball ever gets rolling to begin with.
But I will admit the constant trolling and unnecessary posts are beginning to wear on us all, and I see lots of disdain and even some broken hearts. Developers and community members I appreciate everything you have put into this "movement," but I would do everything I would to avoid a further delay, even if it means some sleepless nights, as I feel it is in everyone's best interest to see this milestone actually happen.
Are you somehow under the impression that this isn't already happening ?
My only point was pretty soon the investors and community is going to start getting concerned. You have to understand peoples concerns at this point are not unfounded.
Like I said I believe in this project and have invested in it, and this coins has had more twists and turns than others I have been involved in and it isn't even live yet... but concerns anyone is having at this point and wavering confidence is to be expected at this point.
What concerns could you possibly have? It's not vaporware. The beta is live and running right now and you can use it for yourself. The only difference between now and launch is that you can't dump all your XEM yet.
It is very clear many people have concerns, it started with a founding figurehead showing that his ethics and morals of the New Economy Movement was not incapable of committing the sins it was against. Then once a community was won back by a new team, multiple delays and a short window of claim was open for a "unknown period of time" for a November release... pressuring stake claims while continuously extending that window of time for claims. The delaying again with a tight lip on a launch date to not continue the carrot on a stick ride we had already been on for a length of time... Which also just so happened tied up peoples investment so even if those that have lost confidence at this point wanted out, they could not exit. Meanwhile supply has been limited due to claimed stakes and thus pressuring the market that is till unclaimed, which in my opinion is a false market due to that fact. It is possible some people are taking advantage of that "market environment." Here we are and discussing March, 4-5 months beyond that point and it still is not a hard set in stone deadline for launch, while many who have been excited about this movement are starting to grow weary. If you don;t believe many people are, I beg to differ.
You state this is not the place for serious discussion about NEM and I am wasting valuable time, then complain about the trolls and non-serious discussion.
Not everyone here is capable of BETA testing. Blaming those of us that are incapable of getting involved in the BETA period is very totalitarian, and also goes against the New Economy Movements idealistic values.
"You are either a part of NEM or you aren't." So you mean you want your investors to blindly follow every move without any skepticism or critical thinking? is that the community you want? A bunch of sheep?
If people are attacked when voicing their concerns then maybe this movement doesn't contain the attributes and ethics it was founded on then. I would think that would be a serious concern in itself. The communities/members concerns should be responded to with compassion and professionalism.
What more do you want? The devs and countless prominent members of the community have stated at least 100 times that they are doing everything they can to prepare for launch and that there have been issues holding it up. Initially, launch was going to happen without multisig. But, considering there were a large number of unclaimed stakes and other XEM that is going to have to be held in an account somewhere, multisig then became something that the devs and the overall community decided was necessary before launch could happen. So, development of multisig began. This, in turn, takes time to complete. Multisig ran into some issues, all of which have been highlighted here on these forums with absolute transparency. Now we have finally gotten to a state where beta testing of multisig can begin.
So again, what do you want? Do you want NEM to launch with potentially buggy multisig that could possibly result in a catastrophe related to the large amount of XEM that has to be held by the developers? What if there is a critical error in multisig that causes all these XEM to disappear? We absolutely *have* to test multisig thoroughly before launch can happen. This is just reality. If you cannot wait then I don't know what to tell you. Things don't just happen magically because you wish them to. Do you not think the devs would launch right away if it was in any way possible? It's just simply not feasible to launch right now, and that's all there is to it.
What I mean by "you are either a part of NEM or you aren't" is that if you are not able to see and accept these obvious facts that are right in front of you, then you obviously have no desire to even be a part of NEM in the first place and just want to dump your stake for BTC or some other alt. That's completely fine of course; it's a free market and you can do whatever you like. But that is literally the only possible reason you could have for wanting to rush launch right now. As an *actual* investor in NEM and part of the community, I in no way want them to launch right now before proper beta testing of multisig. It would open so many potential disasters that I don't know how anyone could advocate for it.
This is not some game or random, meaningless software we are talking about here. We are talking about something that involves REAL money and REAL value... REAL money that could disappear in an instant if anything goes wrong. None of us want people's money to disappear in a poof of smoke, and that's why we have to test things first. Once this thing goes live, there is no turning back. What's done is done, and that involves potentially hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars of fiat value. This is not something to take lightly.
Furthermore, I did not mean that everyone MUST participate in the beta testing. It's just that if you can't or don't want to, then you cannot (with good conscience) sit back and say things like LAUNCH RIGHT NOW because you have no understanding of the implications of doing so. You are very much entitled to your opinion, but when someone like myself comes back with a list of reasons why launch cannot happen right now and that it is a silly, time-wasting argument to make then that's when you need to reflect objectively on why you think that way, or give me and the devs some very good reasons why launch needs to happen this very instant. (Launching for the sole reason that you want to trade XEM is not a good reason, by the way.)
"sit back and say things like LAUNCH RIGHT NOW because you have no understanding of the implications of doing so. You are very much entitled to your opinion"
You are putting words in my mouth, I never said anything of the sort.
I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about many of the other people here who are advocating for an immediate launch.
But anyway, I understand that confidence is waning. It's just that, as I explained, there is literally nothing that can be done about it at this point. All I am trying to say is that if you try out the beta, I don't see why anyone should lose confidence in this project. I mean, you don't even have to try it out for yourself... just look at any of the screenshots of the client in action and you can see that everything is there and working and all that is left is a final bit of testing.
I can totally understand losing confidence if the devs were disappearing and not talking and there were no discernible updates being made to the codebase. But that's just not what is happening right now. So please, just try and look at this objectively and understand why there have been delays. Could things have been handled better with the claiming of stakes and such? Of course! But things happened. Nothing can be done about it now, but that does not undermine NEM in any way. The only thing that has hindered is people's ability to trade, which honestly there was no guarantee of in the first place.
I really don't mean for this to seem negative or condescending in any way. I really don't. I am just trying to explain how and why NEM is where it is right now and why everyone should still feel confident in NEM as a whole. I know many of you trade and I know it sucks that you can't trade right now, but I can assure you that it was not some intentional plot to prevent you all from trading during this extended delay period. It just happened to turn out this way. Launch is on the horizon, and then you can trade to your heart's content.
But anyway, again... I don't mean to convey any animosity in these posts. I am all about trying to promote a friendly community here. I want to try and answer questions as a fellow member of this movement and as a friend. The Internet can be such a nasty place. When everyone is anonymous, people forget how to have feelings and compassion for each other and it's one of the things I want to try and alleviate at least in this community. I'm not a core dev, or even anyone that important in NEM at all, but I'll try to answer any other questions you might have as best I can.
Is March a realistic launch date?
Will we see a more professional culture from those involved with NEM in the future?
Those are my current questions.
