if it wasn't for patmast3r and the rest of the team. You wouldn't have nem. You wouldn't have stakes worth over 1000 dollars. Have some respect for the hard work and effort being put in by the team and stop acting like spoilt kids cos that's what you sound like. I assume you are a grown man/women so start acting like one.
Tell me, out of everyone currently complaining, how many of you have ever lifted a finger to help or ever stepped up and offered to help when it was needed? And based on that answer, what right does that give you to criticize the hard work of others, especially when the work of those you are criticising is making you richer? Would you sit on the couch all day everyday and criticize the method/speed at which your husband/wife washes the dishes after making you dinner while you do sweet f all.. I didn't think so..
Tell me, out of everyone currently complaining, how many of you have ever lifted a finger to help or ever stepped up and offered to help when it was needed? And based on that answer, what right does that give you to criticize the hard work of others, especially when the work of those you are criticising is making you richer? Would you sit on the couch all day everyday and criticize the method/speed at which your husband/wife washes the dishes after making you dinner while you do sweet f all.. I didn't think so..
It goes BOTH way dude
There wouldn't be a NEM without everyone on the couch, and the wife doing dishes, and yes when there is still food on the dishes, I do say something, just like the wife says something when the account is overdrafted.
Critisium is needed
It was the first post about what has/hasnt been done in 7 months I was for the most part referring to. Criticism if fine but that was border line offencive to those actually working to push nem forward.
In relation to getting a "leader" I think that's a non-issue. The main issue is with the issuance of stakes right? There's something holding that up for the mean time and if we move forward before that's fixed it will cause mass confusion so the delay is not caused by a lack of anyone being decisive so that also renders this "need of a leader" invalid as patmas3r and the team are doin a great job.
In relation to contacting people I can contact and have contacted everyone on the stakeholder list in a relatively short period of time so that's not an issue ether.
In relation to emails, iv gotten many back from stakeholders and some from non-original stake holders so also a non-issue.
Patmast3r doesn't see himself as the leader(afaik) and I actually agree with the ideology of a movement like this not having a designated leader. And if things go smoothly with out a designated leader why appoint one?
Getting people back on the threads will only happen when there's something to bring people back, and any one who has followed this thread should know there is somethingcoming that will do exactly that and more in the very not to distant future.
In all fairness, this stakes issue is the main and I think only issue causing any friction within nem, which imo we should be proud of if that's the biggest issue currently facing nem.
We are golden my dear boys.. Golden.
I hear you, and I know you guys are trying, but what is being accomplished? I think things are very very very far from smooth.
We have been having a really hard time with organization. IMO, it has caused NEMs value to HALF easily. The actual product is just too good to only be worth what it is, even at alpha.
Yes, I know most coins aren't worth shit pre-launch and that is a great thing, but with NEM taking things to another whole level, POW>POS>POI, it should be worth way more, pre-launch or not.
It's simple if you ask me, its a cluster fuck around here. FLAT OUT. And it in NOT because of the trolls. It's many people who REALLY care about NEM having a difference of opinion. That is the issue.
Think about it. Before, when things started to get out of hand, UP would step in and say, "x" many people want this, they are in the majority and "this is how it will be done" and no one, or at least, very very few would challenge him. The cluster fuck would be gone. On to the next step we went. We had a clear leader, and that was one of NEMs clear strengths and people even would mention it regularly.
I'm the one pissed you guys are dragging your feet and don't seem to have any urgency to get the token problem solved (ie a week or two), I liked your "tonight or tommorrow".
This also should not be a big secret as to why there is a delay. You have received your regular stakeholder token KOD, I didn't. I shouldn't have to buy one. I have my money wrapped up in coins that are sure, IMO to go up, and selling them now would be dumb as hell. And it's the point, I've been more that patient, and with all the confusion bringing down NEM right now, Im not looking to buy more when it's high, I want to SELL when it's high and buy when it's low. That's how I make my money. And until we launch, and get a leader and things are not such a cluster fuck, the value will continue to go down. Even Gimre, he said himself that 15,000 is where it should be. I think he's right, and I want to sell now, throw in a couple bucks, and have two before launch. And you guys are twiddling your thumbs when it comes to the tokens. There is this BIG secret holding back the decision, which makes me more worried. So you see why I'm a. pissed about the tokens, and b. Think that we need a solid leader. They are both connected, but also separate as well. Because the lack of leadership is hurting NEM in other ways.
The fact you can't see this baffles me. You ARE working hard. But with the lack of direction, hard work can be pointless and wasteful. Working hard at going in circles, what does that accomplish? KOD you are busting your ass distributing the newsletter among other things, so I see the fruits of you labor.
It is good that you are on top of keeping the "old" and "new" members together. But we don't have a logo, branding, or marketing.
With a leader these things would have been handled and we wouldn't be month behind on a marketing campaign. And if you tell me were not months behind, youre just nuts, or have no marketing experience whatsoever. We are behind. We are all over the place, and NEMs value will go down before it goes up IMO. But you blocking me for selling and IT IS NOT FAIR, and you are being secretive about it which is bullshit.
I respect you guys but you are dropping to ball to much to get to the red zone, and we need a touchdown!!!
Again, thank you for expressing you concerns.
As kodtycoon, rightly pointed out, the main issue causing friction is the token problem. We are already on that and as I said before, hope to bring some good news pretty soon.
I think for all the other stuff it's quite hard to see things while they are privately discussed and organized, but you will soon find out that most of them have been already taken care of. If your criticism would have come to a previous point in time, maybe it would have been right on target, however, to be honest, we have already begun moving in the right direction. Logo is almost done. We have put a lot of energy in that since this will be the image of NEM. As soon as we have the official logo ready, our designer will start working on a NEM branding concept similar to this one: http://www.nxtcommunity.org/Nxt-Style-Guide.pdf. In the meantime, with the marketing team we are at work preparing the channels through which communication should spread once our logo and branding are in place. Additionally we are also preparing some interesting and interactive things for the community to get involved with once our new Alpha Build is out.
That being said, I think you may be exaggerating the value of NEM dropping. Although I do not necessarily agree with him, Gimre's point was on what the value of NEM should be, since he thought it was a bit overpriced for an Alpha product. So, although there is a great deal of work done on NEM, you have to understand we are only in Alpha. As we will approach Beta and things will progress both on the dev and marketing side, it's more likely that the value of NEM will increase and not decrease. In fact when people will understand that NEM has gone through some major organizational changes and not only survived, but reorganized in time, took responsibility of things and moved forward as if nothing happened, they will see that the value of NEM does not lay in a minor issue(which needs to be solved nevertheless, I agree) but rather in a lot of big and important things. One year from now, when you'll look back you will probably not even remember problems like this, but rather how good of a product we have launched, how well we have managed to market and spread the word about it and how thoughtful and supportive our community was during all this time. This is are the important things, and this are the things we are working on.
Anyway, it's good to be hearing opinions and we should do well do discuss things when problems arise. Once what we have been working on is out, I suspect you will see a solution to most of your concerns.
