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Topic: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs - page 223. (Read 2984910 times)

legendary
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Why are all the Monero followers causing problems on every other coins threads and groups??? What's with those guys??? Getting so sick of hearing them yap.

I love the vibe of Jesus, but I hate bigoted religious zealots knocking on my door telling me I'm going to burn in the 'crucible' of Hell for my sins (i.e. opinions).

I love the privacy of XMR, but I hate the bigoted zealotry of some of the fanatics who support XMR, they're like football hooligans who are really more interested in fights than crypto tech.

iCEBREAKER doesn't care about crypto tech, he likes picking fights, makes him feel superior, but when someone pulls apart his logic he disappears. He used to be a constant critic of SuperNET and jl777, but the last 9-12 months not so much, why ... all his arguments and predictions were wrong!

People who truly follow crypto with an open mind support many coins.

He has also been trolling the DASH thread virtually since day one with his pro monero speech.
legendary
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Crypto is the separation of Power and State.

NEM's goal was never to be a privacy fungible coin.


Fixed it for you.

Congratulations to NEM for achieving its goal of never being fungible.
newbie
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Could someone tell me why today was a price surge of NEM(XEM)? What news affected it?
I see no news just a good project
hero member
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Could someone tell me why today was a price surge of NEM(XEM)? What news affected it?

As many people say "there's no such thing as bad press". On the surface these headlines look very bad for NEM but anybody that looks into the details will learn it was the exchange NOT NEM that was hacked and they might be exposed so some new details about NEM such as it's amazing on chain multi-sig and smart asset support or the way the NEM foundation has responded to the hack which is unique and first of it's kind.

Most likely the rally was fueled by news that the exchange will be reimbursing it's customers in fiat. That means these XEM holders will be reimbursed with JPY and many are likely going to replace their stake. If the stolen XEM are effectively blacklisted, that means the supply decreases and the demand increases as people replace their stolen XEM.

In the end, nobody knows why really Tongue
hero member
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To the people worried about fungibility, they need to remember that this blacklist via tagging is not centrally enforceable. It is an opt-in tool that exchanges can use to avoid stolen XEM at THEIR discretion.

If coins may be blacklisted, they are not fungible.   It has nothing to do with centralization, opt-in, or discretion.

There mere fact it is possible for anyone to blacklist coins proves the coins are not fungible.

Truly fungible coins cannot be blacklisted.  Look into the Monero literature for more details.

Fungibility is not binary where a currency is either 100% fungible or 0%. Yes Monero is much more fungible (not 100%) and I would even say it's the most fungible of all blockchains. It wins in the privacy category but that is not NEM's market. NEM is a smart asset platform that is willing to trade fungibility (some but not all) in exchange for transparency.

The point is that this tagging system is NOT a blacklist but a tool that can be used to track stolen assets. Yes this does in fact reduce fungibility but not as much as a true blacklist such as the case with Ripple or the ETH hardfork. I personally think this approach provides a good balance and is aligned perfectly with NEM's value proposition.
sr. member
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Recently many people are talking about the privacy of the coin excuse my ignorance but who really needs that ?
Hackers, money laundering people, high jackers,tax evaders who else ?
But an honest person in my opinion does not pay much attention to that, like I said is just my opinion


Open your mind bro, private transactions for legal payments are needed everyday - business' paying wages, expenses want those to continue being private, people want to keep their medical expenses private, what food they buy, what charities and political groups they support, all should be private. Privacy is a human right, BUT, that doesn't mean ALL blockchains neèd to be private, for some purposes transactions need to be public.
jr. member
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Recently many people are talking about the privacy of the coin excuse my ignorance but who really needs that ?
Hackers, money laundering people, high jackers,tax evaders who else ?
But an honest person in my opinion does not pay much attention to that, like I said is just my opinion
full member
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Could someone tell me why today was a price surge of NEM(XEM)? What news affected it?
That is the million dollar question but I am happy cuz this is the coin I am holding   Wink

I think NEM dev needs to freeze those amount of coins being stolen
legendary
Activity: 1918
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Could someone tell me why today was a price surge of NEM(XEM)? What news affected it?

Its just a recovery following the FUD over the coincheck hack.

And NEM had a good response to the attack and handled it well from a community and organization perspective Smiley
https://cointelegraph.com/news/coincheck-to-refund-all-customers-affected-by-hack-faced-by-community-support
https://cointelegraph.com/news/530-million-in-xem-stolen-from-coincheck-can-be-traced-nem-team-confirms
jr. member
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Could someone tell me why today was a price surge of NEM(XEM)? What news affected it?
That is the million dollar question but I am happy cuz this is the coin I am holding   Wink
newbie
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Could someone tell me why today was a price surge of NEM(XEM)? What news affected it?
sr. member
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live the dream but don't live the dream
Why are all the Monero followers causing problems on every other coins threads and groups??? What's with those guys??? Getting so sick of hearing them yap.
that's normal for me, everyone claims that their coins are the most superior in terms of privacy and technology in fact its best coins will get more supporters...in the case of monero supporters making noise in all threads is reasonable because it is open and free forum in expressing opinions and claims that they are superior

sr. member
Activity: 756
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Why are all the Monero followers causing problems on every other coins threads and groups??? What's with those guys??? Getting so sick of hearing them yap.

I love the vibe of Jesus, but I hate bigoted religious zealots knocking on my door telling me I'm going to burn in the 'crucible' of Hell for my sins (i.e. opinions).

I love the privacy of XMR, but I hate the bigoted zealotry of some of the fanatics who support XMR, they're like football hooligans who are really more interested in fights than crypto tech.

iCEBREAKER doesn't care about crypto tech, he likes picking fights, makes him feel superior, but when someone pulls apart his logic he disappears. He used to be a constant critic of SuperNET and jl777, but the last 9-12 months not so much, why ... all his arguments and predictions were wrong!

People who truly follow crypto with an open mind support many coins.
newbie
Activity: 39
Merit: 0
Why are all the Monero followers causing problems on every other coins threads and groups??? What's with those guys??? Getting so sick of hearing them yap.
sr. member
Activity: 756
Merit: 268

I'd love to see you try to blacklist my "@!$#@$ monero" or mark my accounts.  Grin

The fact is you can't.  Not even fluffypony (the git repo maintainer) has the power to do that, hence Monero is truly fungible.

You need to learn about stealth and sub addresses, ring signatures, and Confidential Transactions.

Stop blathering about "muh automatic mosaics" as if anyone cares about that try-hard me-too Layer One bloatware.

This isn't your NEM forum safe space.  Your nonsense won't survive Bitcoinntalk, which is the crucible that burns impurities like the NEM scam to ash and carbon, leaving only the gold behind.

NEM's goal was never to be a privacy coin.  You're comparing apples to oranges.  

Mosaics, namespaces, Apostille etc... are all used to track/digitize real world assets, something a privacy coin cannot do.  



Exactly, use XMR when privacy is needed, but opaque blockchains aren't suitable for many use-cases, so smart people realise there is a need for many types of DLT's.

Guys like iCEBREAKER treat XMR like a religion (there can only be ONE true crypto), and fungibility like a commandment handed down from God. Yes, fungibility is important, but anyone who puts all their eggs in that basket is a crazy zealot. NEM has a target market, and for them the feature set is awesome.
legendary
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I'd love to see you try to blacklist my "@!$#@$ monero" or mark my accounts.  Grin

The fact is you can't.  Not even fluffypony (the git repo maintainer) has the power to do that, hence Monero is truly fungible.

You need to learn about stealth and sub addresses, ring signatures, and Confidential Transactions.

Stop blathering about "muh automatic mosaics" as if anyone cares about that try-hard me-too Layer One bloatware.

This isn't your NEM forum safe space.  Your nonsense won't survive Bitcoinntalk, which is the crucible that burns impurities like the NEM scam to ash and carbon, leaving only the gold behind.

NEM's goal was never to be a privacy coin.  You're comparing apples to oranges.  

Mosaics, namespaces, Apostille etc... are all used to track/digitize real world assets, something a privacy coin cannot do.  

legendary
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iCY, why so angry?
legendary
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Merit: 1072
Crypto is the separation of Power and State.
To the people worried about fungibility, they need to remember that this blacklist via tagging is not centrally enforceable. It is an opt-in tool that exchanges can use to avoid stolen XEM at THEIR discretion.

If coins may be blacklisted, they are not fungible.   It has nothing to do with centralization, opt-in, or discretion.

There mere fact it is possible for anyone to blacklist coins proves the coins are not fungible.

Truly fungible coins cannot be blacklisted.  Look into the Monero literature for more details.

The ignorance displayed in your post is beyond believe. Let me try to clear this up for anyone that is about to believe this.

What they are doing is not actually blacklisting funds. They are writing a service that will automatically send a mosaic, which is what nem's on_chain assets are called, to every account that receives funds from the hacker. All that does is mark the account for other people so THEY can decide whether or not to accept those funds. It's basically like me saying I won't accept iCREBEAKERSs shitty monero because he's spreading FUD. That is my right and it has nothing to do with central authority.
All they are doing is helping others identify hacked funds, that's it. It is up to everyone to decide whether or not to accept them.
They are also not using any central authority to issue said mosaics. Anyone could write a similar service and do the exact same thing and it would again, be up to everyone to accept or not accept those funds.

So go spread your FUD somewhere else.

I'd love to see you try to blacklist my "shitty monero" or mark my accounts.  Grin

The fact is you can't.  Not even fluffypony (the git repo maintainer) has the power to do that, hence Monero is truly fungible.

You need to learn about stealth and sub addresses, ring signatures, and Confidential Transactions.

Stop blathering about "muh automatic mosaics" as if anyone cares about that try-hard me-too Layer One bloatware.

This isn't your NEM forum safe space.  Your nonsense won't survive Bitcoinntalk, which is the crucible that burns impurities like the NEM scam to ash and carbon, leaving only the gold behind.
full member
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Merit: 100
I am seeing that NEM is getting back alive I am wondering if they (COINCHECK) had recover some of the stolen coin or what ?  Wink



Yeah why’s it coming back?
jr. member
Activity: 167
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I am seeing that NEM is getting back alive I am wondering if they (COINCHECK) had recover some of the stolen coin or what ?  Wink

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