Topic: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs - page 441. (Read 2985369 times)

Quote from: NEMergizer on June 05, 2017, 02:18:00 PM

Please correct me if am wrong: It seems to me that the proposed NEM authenticator project will mainly require a one full time experienced developer. He can fully develop it within 6 months + 3 to 6 months more for testing. In addition the project will require good security tests. Overall there is no way that $3,000,000 is needed for such project. I would evaluate it in the range of minimum $200k to maximum $600k. I am all ears if anyone would like to prove me wrong on that.

that's why i proposed decomposition budget for each milestone for clear understanding

Do you guys understand that probably people who are in charge of the project are not reading this forum?

If you have something meaningful to say, you should say it in forum.nem.io

Yes, but there is only "where did my NEM go ?" So, where, please ?
Oh, now comes the slack thing. I´m not kinda slack guy. A forum would suit me.

https://forum.nem.io/t/nem-framework-community-proposal/5174

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Quote from: NEMergizer on June 05, 2017, 02:18:00 PM

Please correct me if am wrong: It seems to me that the proposed NEM authenticator project will mainly require a one full time experienced developer. He can fully develop it within 6 months + 3 to 6 months more for testing. In addition the project will require good security tests. Overall there is no way that $3,000,000 is needed for such project. I would evaluate it in the range of minimum $200k to maximum $600k. I am all ears if anyone would like to prove me wrong on that.

The community Fund was specifically set aside for projects such as these. You can read about the process here:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1v12DKjHLShbacq4nGyQBm183ADoVgSEQNqbwUYWQBTM/edit

And here is the account:
http://explorer.ournem.com/#/s_account?account=NAFUNDDWQUHMIKPV2JUH2VNCYEAQX3O7QKHECZUV

To be fair, it seems the project is for a whole NEM framework and not just the NEM Authenticator.
(Community feedback needs to happen on the thread below)
https://forum.nem.io/t/nem-framework-community-proposal/5174

Apostille successfully used the community fund back in the day to fund its development for 5 million XEM, but this was when XEM was ~300-400 and BTC was much lower in value. This has definitely added value to the NEM platform and gives Factom a run for its money...
https://forum.nem.io/t/nem-apostille-a-nem-notary-system-community-fund-proposal/2001

15 million XEM ($3+ million dollars) is a lot of money and seems extremely high. I'm not a developer so it's hard to put a value on this 'NEM Framework' without knowing the scope of the work involved. Some of the dev team and other competent devs should be able to evaluate this proposal more fairly ...

That being said, I appreciate the work Albert and his team they have already done with Landstead & current work they are doing.

This type of development work is needed for NEM to grow ...

I still have memories of CryptoApex, something that was promised but never delivered.
https://forum.nem.io/t/crypto-apexs-application-for-nem-community-funding/1393/68

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Quote from: NEMergizer on June 05, 2017, 02:18:00 PM

Please correct me if am wrong: It seems to me that the proposed NEM authenticator project will mainly require a one full time experienced developer. He can fully develop it within 6 months + 3 to 6 months more for testing. In addition the project will require good security tests. Overall there is no way that $3,000,000 is needed for such project. I would evaluate it in the range of minimum $200k to maximum $600k. I am all ears if anyone would like to prove me wrong on that.

that's why i proposed decomposition budget for each milestone for clear understanding

Do you guys understand that probably people who are in charge of the project are not reading this forum?

If you have something meaningful to say, you should say it in forum.nem.io

Yes, but there is only "where did my NEM go ?" So, where, please ?
Oh, now comes the slack thing. I´m not kinda slack guy. A forum would suit me.

Where are they ? The devs. No idea, but if you say "slack", i´m sorry, i have to kill you, no hard feelings

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Nxt NEM

Quote from: CoinNews on June 05, 2017, 02:16:17 PM

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Quote from: gentlemand on June 05, 2017, 08:05:25 AM

Quote from: NEMergizer on June 05, 2017, 07:30:58 AM

With all respect to Albert and Atraura Organization, I am totally and completely against funding any third party organization using NEM funds. NEM funds should only get spent to expand the NEM dev team internally "NOT EXTERNALLY". Any third party organization can create their own crowd funding away from NEM dev funds.

Totally agree with this! Only internal use!

That's ridiculous. There aren't very many of them and they're busy people and not exactly the most reactive or accessible bunch. There's a mountain of money waiting to be used to improve NEM. If an outsider can do it then it should be allocated. Ideas come from everywhere.

I have no clue or opinion about this project, but for instance the upcoming Trezor integration comes from an outside programmer. He did a deal and is being paid by developer funds as far as I know. It's a vast benefit to everyone that wouldn't otherwise have happened.

And this project isn't asking for all the funds upfront anyway.

Quote from: Skelaton4 on June 05, 2017, 09:57:14 AM

I would argue that this is a critical time in the history of NEM. Many cryptos are racing to become the chosen Blockchain/coin, innovation at this juncture will help drive adoption. If no one adopts NEM it doesn't matter if we have 1 trillion in the DEV fund if no one is using it. I say go for it.

There were few good points ...

Basically, I would not reject new devs, because they are coming "outside" of NEM.
But the another issues are
a) the possible benefits to NEM
b) the costs

To evaluate the possible benefits, there are needed good examples of the use cases, etc. 5 days is quite short time to study and understand them well enough.

To evaluate the costs there are 2 ways:
how much coding work (men months) the project requires or/and
how much NEM community values the possible benefits.

Correct!

would like to add/extend it:

2nd point - Need to clear understand why they need 13m xem, but not 16m or 20m.
Propose:
- I'd suggest to divide budget to each Milestone for clear vision and undesrtanding
- Send payment once Milestone is reached (!!!)

1st point - Explain simple users what benefits nem could get. for example, it could increase time of development in 2-3 times and so on.

Best regards,

John Galt

- Send payment once Milestone is reached (!!!)

I heard that before, somewhere . . . Thanks, I only trust NEM devs. What they say to this ?
Hallo NEM-Team ? I know you´re busy, but let us not make a mistake here !

1. We have to pay for done job if we don't have real contract!
2. This is a good approach from managment side then team has good motivation to finish Milestone
3. Team should also understand that we got info about the team only TODAY!

Albert Castellana - [email protected] / @kstellana
Product Owner

Aleix Morgadas - [email protected] / @aleix_mp
Architect

Guillem Sole - [email protected] / @guillemsc
Developer

David García - [email protected] / @david360
Developer

Andreu Rodriguez - [email protected] / @anrodon
Developer

Alvaro Llobet - [email protected] / @Alvarollobet
Marketing

Gerard Bernal - [email protected] / @GerardBe
Marketing

yes, agree ... good clarifications.

I guess it is not allowed to copy+paste these posts to forum.nem.io ?
My comments can be pasted

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Quote from: NEMergizer on June 05, 2017, 02:18:00 PM

Please correct me if am wrong: It seems to me that the proposed NEM authenticator project will mainly require a one full time experienced developer. He can fully develop it within 6 months + 3 to 6 months more for testing. In addition the project will require good security tests. Overall there is no way that $3,000,000 is needed for such project. I would evaluate it in the range of minimum $200k to maximum $600k. I am all ears if anyone would like to prove me wrong on that.

that's why i proposed decomposition budget for each milestone for clear understanding

Do you guys understand that probably people who are in charge of the project are not reading this forum?

If you have something meaningful to say, you should say it in forum.nem.io

Yes, but there is only "where did my NEM go ?" So, where, please ?
Oh, now comes the slack thing. I´m not kinda slack guy. A forum would suit me.

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Quote from: NEMergizer on June 05, 2017, 02:18:00 PM

Please correct me if am wrong: It seems to me that the proposed NEM authenticator project will mainly require a one full time experienced developer. He can fully develop it within 6 months + 3 to 6 months more for testing. In addition the project will require good security tests. Overall there is no way that $3,000,000 is needed for such project. I would evaluate it in the range of minimum $200k to maximum $600k. I am all ears if anyone would like to prove me wrong on that.

that's why i proposed decomposition budget for each milestone for clear understanding

Do you guys understand that probably people who are in charge of the project are not reading this forum?

If you have something meaningful to say, you should say it in forum.nem.io

Then that's very irresponsible of them because this is the forum where it all started.

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Quote from: NEMergizer on June 05, 2017, 02:18:00 PM

Please correct me if am wrong: It seems to me that the proposed NEM authenticator project will mainly require a one full time experienced developer. He can fully develop it within 6 months + 3 to 6 months more for testing. In addition the project will require good security tests. Overall there is no way that $3,000,000 is needed for such project. I would evaluate it in the range of minimum $200k to maximum $600k. I am all ears if anyone would like to prove me wrong on that.

that's why i proposed decomposition budget for each milestone for clear understanding

Do you guys understand that probably people who are in charge of the project are not reading this forum?

If you have something meaningful to say, you should say it in forum.nem.io

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The voting system is bullshit anyway. 100 people could vote no and a whale or a dev could vote yes and yes would win due to the whales importance

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Quote from: NEMergizer on June 05, 2017, 02:18:00 PM

Please correct me if am wrong: It seems to me that the proposed NEM authenticator project will mainly require a one full time experienced developer. He can fully develop it within 6 months + 3 to 6 months more for testing. In addition the project will require good security tests. Overall there is no way that $3,000,000 is needed for such project. I would evaluate it in the range of minimum $200k to maximum $600k. I am all ears if anyone would like to prove me wrong on that.

that's why i proposed decomposition budget for each milestone for clear understanding

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Please correct me if am wrong: It seems to me that the proposed NEM authenticator project will mainly require a one full time experienced developer. He can fully develop it within 6 months + 3 to 6 months more for testing. In addition the project will require good security tests. Overall there is no way that $3,000,000 is needed for such project. I would evaluate it in the range of minimum $200k to maximum $600k. I am all ears if anyone would like to prove me wrong on that.

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Quote from: pfrtlpfmpf on June 05, 2017, 02:00:18 PM

Quote from: CoinNews on June 05, 2017, 01:38:56 PM

Quote from: gentlemand on June 05, 2017, 08:05:25 AM

Quote from: NEMergizer on June 05, 2017, 07:30:58 AM

With all respect to Albert and Atraura Organization, I am totally and completely against funding any third party organization using NEM funds. NEM funds should only get spent to expand the NEM dev team internally "NOT EXTERNALLY". Any third party organization can create their own crowd funding away from NEM dev funds.

Totally agree with this! Only internal use!

That's ridiculous. There aren't very many of them and they're busy people and not exactly the most reactive or accessible bunch. There's a mountain of money waiting to be used to improve NEM. If an outsider can do it then it should be allocated. Ideas come from everywhere.

I have no clue or opinion about this project, but for instance the upcoming Trezor integration comes from an outside programmer. He did a deal and is being paid by developer funds as far as I know. It's a vast benefit to everyone that wouldn't otherwise have happened.

And this project isn't asking for all the funds upfront anyway.

Quote from: Skelaton4 on June 05, 2017, 09:57:14 AM

I would argue that this is a critical time in the history of NEM. Many cryptos are racing to become the chosen Blockchain/coin, innovation at this juncture will help drive adoption. If no one adopts NEM it doesn't matter if we have 1 trillion in the DEV fund if no one is using it. I say go for it.

There were few good points ...

Basically, I would not reject new devs, because they are coming "outside" of NEM.
But the another issues are
a) the possible benefits to NEM
b) the costs

To evaluate the possible benefits, there are needed good examples of the use cases, etc. 5 days is quite short time to study and understand them well enough.

To evaluate the costs there are 2 ways:
how much coding work (men months) the project requires or/and
how much NEM community values the possible benefits.

Correct!

would like to add/extend it:

2nd point - Need to clear understand why they need 13m xem, but not 16m or 20m.
Propose:
- I'd suggest to divide budget to each Milestone for clear vision and undesrtanding
- Send payment once Milestone is reached (!!!)

1st point - Explain simple users what benefits nem could get. for example, it could increase time of development in 2-3 times and so on.

Best regards,

John Galt

- Send payment once Milestone is reached (!!!)

I heard that before, somewhere . . . Thanks, I only trust NEM devs. What they say to this ?
Hallo NEM-Team ? I know you´re busy, but let us not make a mistake here !

1. We have to pay for done job if we don't have real contract!
2. This is a good approach from managment side then team has good motivation to finish Milestone
3. Team should also understand that we got info about the team only TODAY!

Albert Castellana - [email protected] / @kstellana
Product Owner

Aleix Morgadas - [email protected] / @aleix_mp
Architect

Guillem Sole - [email protected] / @guillemsc
Developer

David García - [email protected] / @david360
Developer

Andreu Rodriguez - [email protected] / @anrodon
Developer

Alvaro Llobet - [email protected] / @Alvarollobet
Marketing

Gerard Bernal - [email protected] / @GerardBe
Marketing

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So at this moment there should be no voting up until the proposal is rewritten with more details including full milestone. I would also like to see reduction in the requested funds. Nem community funds should remain available for future projects. I guess there will be many more projects in the near future. Each approved project should not consume more than 1% of the community funds unless its an extremely valuable project that will be used by the majority of nemers and will help in expanding the community and nem users.

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Quote from: CoinNews on June 05, 2017, 01:38:56 PM

Quote from: gentlemand on June 05, 2017, 08:05:25 AM

Quote from: NEMergizer on June 05, 2017, 07:30:58 AM

With all respect to Albert and Atraura Organization, I am totally and completely against funding any third party organization using NEM funds. NEM funds should only get spent to expand the NEM dev team internally "NOT EXTERNALLY". Any third party organization can create their own crowd funding away from NEM dev funds.

Totally agree with this! Only internal use!

That's ridiculous. There aren't very many of them and they're busy people and not exactly the most reactive or accessible bunch. There's a mountain of money waiting to be used to improve NEM. If an outsider can do it then it should be allocated. Ideas come from everywhere.

I have no clue or opinion about this project, but for instance the upcoming Trezor integration comes from an outside programmer. He did a deal and is being paid by developer funds as far as I know. It's a vast benefit to everyone that wouldn't otherwise have happened.

And this project isn't asking for all the funds upfront anyway.

Quote from: Skelaton4 on June 05, 2017, 09:57:14 AM

I would argue that this is a critical time in the history of NEM. Many cryptos are racing to become the chosen Blockchain/coin, innovation at this juncture will help drive adoption. If no one adopts NEM it doesn't matter if we have 1 trillion in the DEV fund if no one is using it. I say go for it.

There were few good points ...

Basically, I would not reject new devs, because they are coming "outside" of NEM.
But the another issues are
a) the possible benefits to NEM
b) the costs

To evaluate the possible benefits, there are needed good examples of the use cases, etc. 5 days is quite short time to study and understand them well enough.

To evaluate the costs there are 2 ways:
how much coding work (men months) the project requires or/and
how much NEM community values the possible benefits.

Correct!

would like to add/extend it:

2nd point - Need to clear understand why they need 13m xem, but not 16m or 20m.
Propose:
- I'd suggest to divide budget to each Milestone for clear vision and undesrtanding
- Send payment once Milestone is reached (!!!)

1st point - Explain simple users what benefits nem could get. for example, it could increase time of development in 2-3 times and so on.

Best regards,

John Galt

- Send payment once Milestone is reached (!!!)

I heard that before, somewhere . . . Thanks, I only trust NEM devs. What they say to this ?
Hallo NEM-Team ? I know you´re busy, but let us not make a mistake here !
They must have an opinion to this, it´s their project.

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Quote from: gentlemand on June 05, 2017, 08:05:25 AM