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Topic: NEM (XEM) Official Thread - 100% New Code - Easy To Use APIs - page 698. (Read 2985369 times)

legendary
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@gimre

legal entity - ok. But this: "The legal entity will not only control the funds but actually own them to do as they wish ...No info on who who is involved in this Legal entity and If, how much they will be paid, expense accounts etc."  is a no go.

We will expect some people will be paid for sure. It cannot be pro-bono. Would you spend your time in there, pro-bono?

No i wouldnt but I dont like a board of directors assigning themselves a wage that they deem fair either out of community funds. Yes the guys who hold the keys to the funds now could run away with them as you say, but that would be stealing and would kill their current holdings value not to mention the project (NEM) in general. Giving ownership of the funds to a legal entity in which they have the power to sign checks as they see fit is not ideal either.

Dont get me wrong, I am not trying derail a plan that is being attempted with good intentions (probably) but making an announcement that there will be a vote with a deadline of the 14th of Aug in which the main beneficiaries  have the power to win that vote and in which the community loses all control of the community funds is rushed to say the least.
legendary
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@gimre

legal entity - ok. But this: "The legal entity will not only control the funds but actually own them to do as they wish ...No info on who who is involved in this Legal entity and If, how much they will be paid, expense accounts etc."  is a no go.

We will expect some people will be paid for sure. It cannot be pro-bono. Would you spend your time in there, pro-bono?
legendary
Activity: 1059
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Please take note of the follwing threads in the NEM forum:

1) Realignment of funds discussion:
https://forum.nem.io/t/realignment-of-nem-funds-discussion/2685

2) Legal entity vote:
https://forum.nem.io/t/legal-entity-vote/2698

I suggest every Nem holder reads this. Vote deadline is August 14th and All community funds are being transferred to this legal entity. The legal entity will not only control the funds but actually own them to do as they wish.  Vote is also done by importance so those with most importance (NEM)(DEVS)win. No info on who who is involved in this Legal entity and If, how much they will be paid, expense accounts etc. Its supposed to be non-profit and that is the ideal but " but NEM shall also need to be sustainable in the long run. Hence, NEM shall be a hybrid model" . No idea what this means.


Please do not make conjectures. Ask if you have doubts. Making conjectures is fud.

Today, the funds in the non-entity of NEM is controlled by 8 core members. They can run with the fund too and it can collapse.

The legal entity gives it a protection layer as it cannot run away with the funds so easily as it binds the trustees of the fund to the law.

Making decisions to use the funds are explicity spelt out how they are going to be used to promote the 10 focus areas as described here: http://blog.nem.io/a-major-announcement/

THe 10 focus areas are:

  • Setting up regional presence
  • Organising NEM blockchain technology events
  • Collaborating with educational institutions
  • Collaborating with Government agencies to define standards
  • Collaborating with commercial entities to further develop its use.
  • Setting up a centre of excellence and to be headed by our very own core developers
  • Setting up a consulting arm to consult on matters relating to the technology and provide such services to businesses at large that will use the NEM blockchain technology
  • Acquiring and promoting intellectual properties from its community and working with them to promote such intellectual properties to global businesses
  • Spawning new ventures, and where possible, by providing technology and financial assistance
  • Providing for scholarships and internship for brilliant and world class students

How the funds will be used will be decided as before. Nothing has changed.

How the funds will be disbursed have always been done by the 8 core members without the need to answer to anyone. How the funds will be used in future will need corporate governance, and simply using funds at will, can land some people in jail. Simple as that. We are putting check and balance into the system. It can only be better, not worse.

Finally, the legal entity is not only a legal entity per se. It will comprise of members, pretty much like a foundation, but the word foundation is not the right description, more so a society in nature. There will be members there who will cast their votes for any major investments.

In the initial stage, this will be very much guided by the core team. The initial stage is expected to be 10 years and by which time, we hope to achieve a proper legacy for all to follow.

Let's hope this will clear some air.

Edit: Please note that the whole question in the end is the community fund. The rest of the fund has always been autonomously decided by the core. So really, the question is the community fund.

Another point to be made, the structure is two tier, trustee tier and society tier.  Society is run by executives who are entrusted to run and execute what has been decided collectively between the members of the society (presumably the nembers here), the executives and the board of trustees. In short, it is not without any check and balance.

hero member
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@gimre

legal entity - ok. But this: "The legal entity will not only control the funds but actually own them to do as they wish ...No info on who who is involved in this Legal entity and If, how much they will be paid, expense accounts etc."  is a no go.
legendary
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I suggest every Nem holder reads this. Vote deadline is August 14th and All community funds are being transferred to this legal entity. The legal entity will not only control the funds but actually own them to do as they wish.  Vote is also done by importance so those with most importance (NEM)(DEVS)win. No info on who who is involved in this Legal entity and If, how much they will be paid, expense accounts etc. Its supposed to be non-profit and that is the ideal but " but NEM shall also need to be sustainable in the long run. Hence, NEM shall be a hybrid model" . No idea what this means.

I (personally) do not intend to use any funds to affect the results of the vote in any way.

If you think about it, there are VERY good reasons to have a legal entity (I think most of them were actually laid down here: http://blog.nem.io/a-major-announcement/)

Keep in mind, that right now, NEM can't even protect its copyrights, as there is no legal organization that would guard our back.
legendary
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Please take note of the follwing threads in the NEM forum:

1) Realignment of funds discussion:
https://forum.nem.io/t/realignment-of-nem-funds-discussion/2685

2) Legal entity vote:
https://forum.nem.io/t/legal-entity-vote/2698

I suggest every Nem holder reads this. Vote deadline is August 14th and All community funds are being transferred to this legal entity. The legal entity will not only control the funds but actually own them to do as they wish.  Vote is also done by importance so those with most importance (NEM)(DEVS)win. No info on who who is involved in this Legal entity and If, how much they will be paid, expense accounts etc. Its supposed to be non-profit and that is the ideal but " but NEM shall also need to be sustainable in the long run. Hence, NEM shall be a hybrid model" . No idea what this means.


Ähh wtf? Thank you very much for the info! But in case the idea came from the devs a voting is senseless. How many stakes each of them ownes? About 50x as an original investor?! Or about 500x today (because many of them sold a big chunk already).
sr. member
Activity: 775
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Please take note of the follwing threads in the NEM forum:

1) Realignment of funds discussion:
https://forum.nem.io/t/realignment-of-nem-funds-discussion/2685

2) Legal entity vote:
https://forum.nem.io/t/legal-entity-vote/2698

I suggest every Nem holder reads this. Vote deadline is August 14th and All community funds are being transferred to this legal entity. The legal entity will not only control the funds but actually own them to do as they wish.  Vote is also done by importance so those with most importance (NEM)(DEVS)win. No info on who who is involved in this Legal entity and If, how much they will be paid, expense accounts etc. Its supposed to be non-profit and that is the ideal but " but NEM shall also need to be sustainable in the long run. Hence, NEM shall be a hybrid model" . No idea what this means.


I dont understand it. Could you explain this to me if you have time (here or in pm)
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1000
Please take note of the follwing threads in the NEM forum:

1) Realignment of funds discussion:
https://forum.nem.io/t/realignment-of-nem-funds-discussion/2685

2) Legal entity vote:
https://forum.nem.io/t/legal-entity-vote/2698

I suggest every Nem holder reads this. Vote deadline is August 14th and All community funds are being transferred to this legal entity. The legal entity will not only control the funds but actually own them to do as they wish.  Vote is also done by importance so those with most importance (NEM)(DEVS)win. No info on who who is involved in this Legal entity and If, how much they will be paid, expense accounts etc. Its supposed to be non-profit and that is the ideal but " but NEM shall also need to be sustainable in the long run. Hence, NEM shall be a hybrid model" . No idea what this means.


Interesting, so NEM is trying to centralize the funds? Devs should respond with more details on this matter.
legendary
Activity: 1279
Merit: 1018
Please take note of the follwing threads in the NEM forum:

1) Realignment of funds discussion:
https://forum.nem.io/t/realignment-of-nem-funds-discussion/2685

2) Legal entity vote:
https://forum.nem.io/t/legal-entity-vote/2698

I suggest every Nem holder reads this. Vote deadline is August 14th and All community funds are being transferred to this legal entity. The legal entity will not only control the funds but actually own them to do as they wish.  Vote is also done by importance so those with most importance (NEM)(DEVS)win. No info on who who is involved in this Legal entity and If, how much they will be paid, expense accounts etc. Its supposed to be non-profit and that is the ideal but " but NEM shall also need to be sustainable in the long run. Hence, NEM shall be a hybrid model" . No idea what this means.
hero member
Activity: 687
Merit: 500
Please take note of the follwing threads in the NEM forum:

1) Realignment of funds discussion:
https://forum.nem.io/t/realignment-of-nem-funds-discussion/2685

2) Legal entity vote:
https://forum.nem.io/t/legal-entity-vote/2698
member
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member
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ok will try again
legendary
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I agree it is simple. cannot run the browser and software together just freezes

It's java based, make sure you have a powerful enough machine.

Your posts suggests you are also trying to run miners at the same time, free up some resources. Java can use up a decent amount of resources.

If not, then use a different node to connect to instead of downloading the whole blockchain. Use settings option:

http://www.nodeexplorer.com/
member
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I agree it is simple. cannot run the browser and software together just freezes
legendary
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Welt Am Draht
This geezer must be providing 95% of the mining in the alt world judging by how many he's sampled, even if he couldn't get it work.
legendary
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I cannot get this wallet working. takes to much memory, guess I am stuck trading this shit coin. not sure how but been moving it slowly.

the wallet is among the simplest to get working, compared to other unmentioned coins.

it was nicer when we were under the radar, now all these newbie accounts are popping out of nowhere trying to troll  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

edit: if you look at the post history, you will see this person cannot get anything working with other coins  Roll Eyes
member
Activity: 151
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I cannot get this wallet working. takes to much memory, guess I am stuck trading this shit coin. not sure how but been moving it slowly.
legendary
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I think it is true, it is like every other stake coin. idiots keep buying it instead of trading the coin making it worth less. there has to be both selling and buying for all to profit. these types of coin are mostly buyers. I am also sorry I bought this shit

Eh? Buying is trading. Someone's selling it. And if people are buying and keeping them that takes them off the market thus forcing the price higher.

Either way I think we're heading back to settle not too far off where this pump began.



You are forgetting one major factor. Supernodes. There are now 300 + and growing which lock up 3million NEM each. Supernodes rewards are to double next month
legendary
Activity: 2604
Merit: 3056
Welt Am Draht
I think it is true, it is like every other stake coin. idiots keep buying it instead of trading the coin making it worth less. there has to be both selling and buying for all to profit. these types of coin are mostly buyers. I am also sorry I bought this shit

Eh? Buying is trading. Someone's selling it. And if people are buying and keeping them that takes them off the market thus forcing the price higher.

Either way I think we're heading back to settle not too far off where this pump began.

member
Activity: 151
Merit: 10
I think it is true, it is like every other stake coin. idiots keep buying it instead of trading the coin making it worth less. there has to be both selling and buying for all to profit. these types of coin are mostly buyers. I am also sorry I bought this shit
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