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Quote from: TopTort777 on July 23, 2024, 08:18:12 AM

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I completely agree with you that if a gambler explains to his children the risks of gambling by demonstrating it by his own experience, then it is quite normal practice. But if the gambler does not explain anything to children about gambling, but simply gambles in front of them, it will not lead to anything good. Although on the other hand I have been gambling for as long as I can remember and I can not say that even after all the losses I think that gambling is bad.

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That is another proof that we must show and talk about gambling with kids, so that they be prepared. Instead of some stranger explains them what gambling is and offers them a try. I've been telling this long time ago. Instead of hiding information, we better share it to make them prepared. It is like teaching what is good or wrong, with giving and showing examples only of good.

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Quote from: summonerrk on July 22, 2024, 05:59:39 AM

Quote from: sompitonov on July 22, 2024, 02:32:06 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on July 22, 2024, 02:13:38 AM

As a father and grandfather or two, I do spend time with kids of different age. I am actually really interested in what they are doing, than listening again and again about work and problems, that adults talk about often Cheesy

I do know about investing in video games. CS:GO skins, cases, other things like in-game items and gold sellers, and other luck-based-activities for in-game benefits. I do accept that there are addicted to gambling kids, but I dont agree with fact that gambling (like playing blackjack, poker or slots for example) in front of them will immediately cause addiction and would spoil their future with 100% probability.

Various in-game items and skins from games can form in teenagers the wrong perception and attitude towards gambling. If they start opening too many cases and start seeing cheap skins instead of expensive ones, they may start looking for money to ease their frustration. But here I would like to focus on the fact that children and adolescents are capable of this depending on their upbringing. For example, I could never steal from my parents, because I understood with my childish mind that it was bad and I shouldn’t do it even if I wanted to, although in my class there were classmates who stole money from their parents for various entertainments. They were probably influenced by their parents' acting or a terrible upbringing.

I completely agree that this is initial gambling: cases in games and many in-game purchases, in which there is an element of luck and the fact that an expensive rare set will appear, which can then be sold for much more.
Gacha, like in Genshin, too. It feels like the game creators have probed this fine line where the game ends and gambling begins.
And this is a bad thing. Because such phenomena cannot be applied to the fragile psyche of children.

Well, from afar, these case games are just a business that needs cash flow and profit, and these cases are simply the best way to generate profit. Maybe there are such problems, but I think that about 99% of teenagers and children buy skins that cost less than a couple of bucks or even cents.

Quote from: TopTort777 on July 23, 2024, 03:29:03 AM

Since you have mentioned in-game items and skins - I think this is 100% gambling, and I am 100% sure they did not learn that from parents. I will never believe, that after they saw adults play poker at home, or saw someone play slots on a mobile or other device, they have started gambling via opening in-game cases. As you have also mentioned stealing from parents, I had also classmates who stole some small money, to spend them on playing games on video game clubs. But, I only read on the internet that kids were stealing from parents to spend on gambling. And believing everything I read on the internet, I am not a kid Cheesy

Even though that could have happened for real, but this case is an exception imho.

This probably happens because schoolchildren communicate with each other in educational institutions where such things spread very quickly, and everyone wants to show off who has the coolest skin. Most likely this happens without the participation of parents, who are not even aware of it. The main thing is that children do not cross the line and do nothing forbidden. And also, as a parent, I would like this not to affect their studies at school, because these games defeat the purpose of learning. I even remembered that in China they introduced a limit on games for schoolchildren, no more than a few hours a week. Although I think these are too harsh conditions.

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Quote from: sompitonov on July 22, 2024, 02:32:06 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on July 22, 2024, 02:13:38 AM

As a father and grandfather or two, I do spend time with kids of different age. I am actually really interested in what they are doing, than listening again and again about work and problems, that adults talk about often Cheesy

I do know about investing in video games. CS:GO skins, cases, other things like in-game items and gold sellers, and other luck-based-activities for in-game benefits. I do accept that there are addicted to gambling kids, but I dont agree with fact that gambling (like playing blackjack, poker or slots for example) in front of them will immediately cause addiction and would spoil their future with 100% probability.

Various in-game items and skins from games can form in teenagers the wrong perception and attitude towards gambling. If they start opening too many cases and start seeing cheap skins instead of expensive ones, they may start looking for money to ease their frustration. But here I would like to focus on the fact that children and adolescents are capable of this depending on their upbringing. For example, I could never steal from my parents, because I understood with my childish mind that it was bad and I shouldn’t do it even if I wanted to, although in my class there were classmates who stole money from their parents for various entertainments. They were probably influenced by their parents' acting or a terrible upbringing.

Since you have mentioned in-game items and skins - I think this is 100% gambling, and I am 100% sure they did not learn that from parents. I will never believe, that after they saw adults play poker at home, or saw someone play slots on a mobile or other device, they have started gambling via opening in-game cases. As you have also mentioned stealing from parents, I had also classmates who stole some small money, to spend them on playing games on video game clubs. But, I only read on the internet that kids were stealing from parents to spend on gambling. And believing everything I read on the internet, I am not a kid Cheesy

Even though that could have happened for real, but this case is an exception imho.

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Quote from: sompitonov on July 22, 2024, 02:32:06 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on July 22, 2024, 02:13:38 AM

As a father and grandfather or two, I do spend time with kids of different age. I am actually really interested in what they are doing, than listening again and again about work and problems, that adults talk about often Cheesy

I do know about investing in video games. CS:GO skins, cases, other things like in-game items and gold sellers, and other luck-based-activities for in-game benefits. I do accept that there are addicted to gambling kids, but I dont agree with fact that gambling (like playing blackjack, poker or slots for example) in front of them will immediately cause addiction and would spoil their future with 100% probability.

Various in-game items and skins from games can form in teenagers the wrong perception and attitude towards gambling. If they start opening too many cases and start seeing cheap skins instead of expensive ones, they may start looking for money to ease their frustration. But here I would like to focus on the fact that children and adolescents are capable of this depending on their upbringing. For example, I could never steal from my parents, because I understood with my childish mind that it was bad and I shouldn’t do it even if I wanted to, although in my class there were classmates who stole money from their parents for various entertainments. They were probably influenced by their parents' acting or a terrible upbringing.

I completely agree that this is initial gambling: cases in games and many in-game purchases, in which there is an element of luck and the fact that an expensive rare set will appear, which can then be sold for much more.
Gacha, like in Genshin, too. It feels like the game creators have probed this fine line where the game ends and gambling begins.
And this is a bad thing. Because such phenomena cannot be applied to the fragile psyche of children.

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Quote from: Zigabel on July 21, 2024, 05:54:06 PM

Gambling addiction in some places are even more common amongst teenagers and young people than the old except such is one you are yet to coma across, because if you have, then you will agree and understand that ist very true that such does happens.thw fact that some of these young ones see it as a quick means of making money, is enough for them to not even give consideration to something else but to making sure they get further engrossed in it until they turn addict's.

Yes, that is true especially now that access to online gambling sites just got easier. All they need is a phone number and then OTP will come as a message and Voila! they can gamble as long as they can deposit money. The problem today is most new online gambling sites don't need KYC initially, they will let anyone come in as long as they have the money to gamble with. I mean, sure it's a business and they won't think about ethics but this could ruin the life of one kid if he gets hooked on it.
This is why we should try our best to keep the innocence of our kids in gambling. As much as possible, they won't know anything about it until there comes a time they will bumped into it and that's when we could explain everything in a proper way.

The safest way is keep them away if possible completely of of sight and knowledge about it, though chances that they might eoncounter it while browsing online just make sure to be ready explaining things the right way, there's always a way to avoid them getting interest as you have all the good reason in terms of guiding them and making them realize all the negative possibilities that might happen to them once they've got attached to gambling and get addicted.

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Quote from: Zigabel on July 21, 2024, 05:54:06 PM

Gambling addiction in some places are even more common amongst teenagers and young people than the old except such is one you are yet to coma across, because if you have, then you will agree and understand that ist very true that such does happens.thw fact that some of these young ones see it as a quick means of making money, is enough for them to not even give consideration to something else but to making sure they get further engrossed in it until they turn addict's.

Yes, that is true especially now that access to online gambling sites just got easier. All they need is a phone number and then OTP will come as a message and Voila! they can gamble as long as they can deposit money. The problem today is most new online gambling sites don't need KYC initially, they will let anyone come in as long as they have the money to gamble with. I mean, sure it's a business and they won't think about ethics but this could ruin the life of one kid if he gets hooked on it.
This is why we should try our best to keep the innocence of our kids in gambling. As much as possible, they won't know anything about it until there comes a time they will bumped into it and that's when we could explain everything in a proper way.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on July 22, 2024, 02:13:38 AM

As a father and grandfather or two, I do spend time with kids of different age. I am actually really interested in what they are doing, than listening again and again about work and problems, that adults talk about often Cheesy

I do know about investing in video games. CS:GO skins, cases, other things like in-game items and gold sellers, and other luck-based-activities for in-game benefits. I do accept that there are addicted to gambling kids, but I dont agree with fact that gambling (like playing blackjack, poker or slots for example) in front of them will immediately cause addiction and would spoil their future with 100% probability.

Various in-game items and skins from games can form in teenagers the wrong perception and attitude towards gambling. If they start opening too many cases and start seeing cheap skins instead of expensive ones, they may start looking for money to ease their frustration. But here I would like to focus on the fact that children and adolescents are capable of this depending on their upbringing. For example, I could never steal from my parents, because I understood with my childish mind that it was bad and I shouldn’t do it even if I wanted to, although in my class there were classmates who stole money from their parents for various entertainments. They were probably influenced by their parents' acting or a terrible upbringing.

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I can say from observation in my country, and Europe countries I have visited. I would say that underaged gambling problem is pumped. It is not as huge as we think it is. We are worried that kids will copy adults and become addicted to gambling, but I never say gambling addicted kid in my life. Moreover, from years of gambling experience, I saw less than 5 really addicted gamblers (however, I did not search for addicted gamblers on purpose).

As our kids are used to quick information, such as instagram, tik tok, facebook feed and etc, even if they start gambling, they wont focus on it, but instead switch to something else, then in few minutes to something else and so on.

You have not met children/teenagers addicted to gambling for the simple reason that your social circle is adults. But the fact that you have not encountered this does not mean that it does not exist; if you go to thematic groups on social networks, for example, dedicated to “investing” in CS GO and other earnings on games, then you will find that many participants in such groups are well acquainted with gambling. And many of them do not hide the fact that they had/have problems with addiction.

As a father and grandfather or two, I do spend time with kids of different age. I am actually really interested in what they are doing, than listening again and again about work and problems, that adults talk about often Cheesy

I do know about investing in video games. CS:GO skins, cases, other things like in-game items and gold sellers, and other luck-based-activities for in-game benefits. I do accept that there are addicted to gambling kids, but I dont agree with fact that gambling (like playing blackjack, poker or slots for example) in front of them will immediately cause addiction and would spoil their future with 100% probability.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 19, 2024, 06:47:24 AM

Quote from: TopTort777 on July 17, 2024, 06:42:41 AM

I can say from observation in my country, and Europe countries I have visited. I would say that underaged gambling problem is pumped. It is not as huge as we think it is. We are worried that kids will copy adults and become addicted to gambling, but I never say gambling addicted kid in my life. Moreover, from years of gambling experience, I saw less than 5 really addicted gamblers (however, I did not search for addicted gamblers on purpose).

As our kids are used to quick information, such as instagram, tik tok, facebook feed and etc, even if they start gambling, they wont focus on it, but instead switch to something else, then in few minutes to something else and so on.

You have not met children/teenagers addicted to gambling for the simple reason that your social circle is adults. But the fact that you have not encountered this does not mean that it does not exist; if you go to thematic groups on social networks, for example, dedicated to “investing” in CS GO and other earnings on games, then you will find that many participants in such groups are well acquainted with gambling. And many of them do not hide the fact that they had/have problems with addiction.

Gambling addiction in some places are even more common amongst teenagers and young people than the old except such is one you are yet to coma across, because if you have, then you will agree and understand that ist very true that such does happens.thw fact that some of these young ones see it as a quick means of making money, is enough for them to not even give consideration to something else but to making sure they get further engrossed in it until they turn addict's.

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Quote from: Sim_card on July 19, 2024, 01:49:25 PM

It is true that hiding our gambling habit from our children is not all but also letting them to know the importance of staying focus on their studies and not to involve in gambling at their age because it is activities for adult and not for children who are going to school. Telling them the consequences of gambling at early age should be what we hit on more than anything because no one knows the kind of friends they keep and what they do when they are together.

Unfortunately, half of the kids today are equipped with parents who take on 2-3 part-time jobs to provide for their financial needs. The era where kids had enough time to spend with their parents is racing quickly to the past. Kids are not to be blamed for their early gambling engagements. Most parents return home late in the night. The internet is the only companion for young people and that's the origin of their gambling problem.

Somehow, kids whose parents are not always available entangles with fellow kids who see their parents few minutes to sleeping hour. So they share with friends, all sort of unhealthy conversations and online activities. Before the emergence of online gambling, bored kids also dealt with video game addiction. Assuming their parents were there to moderate them, most kids wouldn't find themselves in a bad gambling condition.

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This is actually a nice view. All this will affect the future because those kids are the future, and if they can view gambling as a normal and acceptable behaviour, they will hardly accept it. They grow up in the future because they learn from their leaders, and adults are their leaders. So if an elderly person can gamble in front of the kids, you will tell them that the act is not accepted, and it can cause a higher level of financial catastrophe that will not only affect them in the future but destroy them. So the best is that you shouldn’t even try gambling in front of any kid so that they won’t even have the wish to gamble from their young age and regret it in the future.

The issue here is that an elder can gamble if they want, as not only they have a lot of life experience under their belts, they are probably retired already and they can use their money in whatever way they see fit, however it is wrong for a person that is too young to gamble, as it is possible they can form bad habits they will be unable to get rid of once they grow up, while at the same time they do not have the economic stability to gamble so much money away with such frequency, putting their future at risk.

If i could read well I was not also supporting the young ones to gamble, neither say that the elder ones not to gamble, all what I was emphasizing on what that is is not good for the elder ones to play gambling in the presence of those young ones. Because if that happens, the younger one will view gambling as something that is good and you end up to be a victim of gambling, which we all know that gambling in not an acceptable behavior in many society so what is the essence of doing it in the present of a child that supposed to have a bright future? Although gambling is a choice, but it is hard to show the your children at their early age.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 19, 2024, 02:13:10 PM

Gambling in front of your kids can have negative consequences. It can teach them that gambling is a normal and acceptable behaviour potentially leading to a higher risk of developing gambling problems in the future.

It may also give them a skewed understanding of money and its value as they may witness the unpredictable nature of gambling outcomes.

It can create an unhealthy environment where financial instability and stress become more prevalent. It’s important to promote responsible financial habits and provide a positive role model for your children.

That’s right, and we adults, unfortunately, very quickly forget what we were like. We believe that children and teenagers feel the same as we do, but of course this is not true. Their psyche is fragile and they think that the whole world is at their feet, but in reality they seem to be above a precipice in the rye.
They are naive and think that they can defeat a mechanism called Casino Systems, which are honed by years of experience and different situations. Therefore, there is no need to engage in gambling in front of children.

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Quote from: Egii Nna on July 19, 2024, 03:21:46 PM

This is actually a nice view. All this will affect the future because those kids are the future, and if they can view gambling as a normal and acceptable behaviour, they will hardly accept it. They grow up in the future because they learn from their leaders, and adults are their leaders. So if an elderly person can gamble in front of the kids, you will tell them that the act is not accepted, and it can cause a higher level of financial catastrophe that will not only accept them in the future but destroy them. So the best is that you shouldn’t even try gambling in front of any kid so that they won’t even have the wish to gamble from their young age and regret it in the future.

The issue here is that an elder can gamble if they want, as not only they have a lot of life experience under their belts, they are probably retired already and they can use their money in whatever way they see fit, however it is wrong for a person that is too young to gamble, as it is possible they can form bad habits they will be unable to get rid of once they grow up, while at the same time they do not have the economic stability to gamble so much money away with such frequency, putting their future at risk.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on July 19, 2024, 02:13:10 PM

Gambling in front of your kids can have negative consequences. It can teach them that gambling is a normal and acceptable behaviour potentially leading to a higher risk of developing gambling problems in the future.

It may also give them a skewed understanding of money and its value as they may witness the unpredictable nature of gambling outcomes.

It can create an unhealthy environment where financial instability and stress become more prevalent. It’s important to promote responsible financial habits and provide a positive role model for your children.

This is actually a nice view. All this will affect the future because those kids are the future, and if they can view gambling as a normal and acceptable behaviour, they will hardly accept it. They grow up in the future because they learn from their leaders, and adults are their leaders. So if an elderly person can gamble in front of the kids, you will tell them that the act is not accepted, and it can cause a higher level of financial catastrophe that will not only accept them in the future but destroy them. So the best is that you shouldn’t even try gambling in front of any kid so that they won’t even have the wish to gamble from their young age and regret it in the future.

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Let people make informed judgments and handle risk's ups and downs. Financial literacy and gambling risks can be taught to kids. Will assure long-term success

I think that is the best thing that can be done, for me children should be taught financial education from a young age, because that is what I consider was missing, I start from the fact that current education is corrupt, because it does not teach how to be professionals to work for others, that is what it all boils down to, today's children should be taught financial education so that they realize for themselves what it takes to play in a casino, where things are by chance and what is risked the most is money including emotions and other things that include, in that aspect they will know by themselves that these casinos are for adults, to risk a little money and as a method of fun.

It's obvious that children emulate what's in their environment, and that's while it's advisable for someone to have a limitation of kind of this they discussed in the presence of children, it's obvious that children that slightly involve themselves in gambling mostly casino doesn't know the full implications of it, and they gamble because of what they heard, teaching children financial methods when they have not reached to certain level of understanding the important of finance, that will discouraged them from their studies because all their attention and focus will strictly goes for finance.

It's unfortunate that not all parents are qualified for the duty, many are so careless and insensitive, that they can't be smart enough to hide adult-related activities like gambling efficiently from their little ones. Some might want to but due to their slackness, the children will still know one way or the other. Even if the children got to know elsewhere, a very sensitive parent should be able to know if they are connected to their children, which is where they will guide them properly on gambling and how it is important for them to attain some adult age before they engage in a risky activity like that.

But those who would tell children their children that gambling is part of financial empowering means are very wrong to do that even at adult age. And if the children get to know externally about such a misconception, it is the duty of the parent to refute it. Gambling can't be a reliable means of earning, we may only try our luck in it in a fun-filled mood and not a means that we will base our living and that of our dependents.

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Gambling in front of your kids can have negative consequences. It can teach them that gambling is a normal and acceptable behaviour potentially leading to a higher risk of developing gambling problems in the future.

It may also give them a skewed understanding of money and its value as they may witness the unpredictable nature of gambling outcomes.

It can create an unhealthy environment where financial instability and stress become more prevalent. It’s important to promote responsible financial habits and provide a positive role model for your children.

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As a parent then it would really be impossible that you wont really be able to point out on which one is really that allowed or not allowed to be seen by your kids. As a gambler then you would definitely be avoiding
as much as possible on letting your kids do saw about on the activity that you are doing. You would really be definitely be having that kind of consideration on avoiding as much as you can because we do know the risks but if you are a parent whose really that irresponsible then you wouldnt really be caring about whether your kids do sees you on playing gambling and would be potentially be doing the same. If you are someone whose really that not wanting for your kids to be gambler then it would really be just that right that you should be avoiding on letting your kids sees you.

When you do gamble then be sure that you are really that be away on your kids awareness or presence. You could always be that be able to play on your free time or
your kids which arent there. This is the moment that you would really be able to play but of course its away on your kids view.

Being a parent is the greatest deal in the world, but it aint easy. It takes guts, brains, and a whole lot of love. Regarding gambling, its exciting and pleasant, but its not for young people. Period. Children are sponges, look at them. They absorb everything they come across, and we want them not to believe that gambling is a guaranteed path to get rich. Like anything else in life, this is a kind of entertainment with risks. We want them to know.

So be wise about your gambling if you intend to do it. Dont show your children what you do. Keep it separate. Its about establishing limits and teaching children that some activities are meant for grownups alone. Still, hiding it is not enough. You have to help your children to develop trust. Discuss with them life, the good and the bad. When kids are old enough, teach responsible gambling, the probability, dangers, and the possible benefits. Show them your knowledge and your control.

It is true that hiding our gambling habit from our children is not all but also letting them to know the importance of staying focus on their studies and not to involve in gambling at their age because it is activities for adult and not for children who are going to school. Telling them the consequences of gambling at early age should be what we hit on more than anything because no one knows the kind of friends they keep and what they do when they are together.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on July 17, 2024, 06:42:41 AM

I can say from observation in my country, and Europe countries I have visited. I would say that underaged gambling problem is pumped. It is not as huge as we think it is. We are worried that kids will copy adults and become addicted to gambling, but I never say gambling addicted kid in my life. Moreover, from years of gambling experience, I saw less than 5 really addicted gamblers (however, I did not search for addicted gamblers on purpose).

As our kids are used to quick information, such as instagram, tik tok, facebook feed and etc, even if they start gambling, they wont focus on it, but instead switch to something else, then in few minutes to something else and so on.

This happened in my area, which also observed that minors have played gambling, in fact, it has increased and has even entered the local media, meaning that children have imitated adults in doing this, including those who have dared to smoke and gamble without the knowledge of their parents.

I have never reprimanded because it is not my right, but it can be seen that there is already an addiction to gambling games, especially now that access is easier, they can get information about gambling sites more easily because they are spread on social media, including Facebook, which has many advertisements.

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Quote from: betswift on July 19, 2024, 03:31:34 AM

I agree with you. Kids are usually going around and watching what their parents are doing in the meantime or on the work, so it's natural for them to take interest in something that interests their role figures. Depending on the age, there should be a talk with a child about how it should be taken seriously and not as a way to live, but as a hobby or like playing a video game - fun, but not to the point of not wanting to do anything else.

Yes, that's right. They are always watching, hearing, and asking so we might as well be careful with what we do because they now have access to the internet and they will probably search it in a blink. Talking is a difficult thing for men, we tend to just use our actions to tell them what we need to tell. It's an old-school traditional way but it still works up until now and most fathers in this era are from the 80s and the 90s which means discipline is the top priority.

But because kids are exposed to smartphones, computers, and the internet, fathers must adapt to this situation and I think they are mostly doing alright. The only problem is the too much handle of their phones which makes them too curious about anything they will see and hear.

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