Never say your recovery seed or private key out loud! - page 2.

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Quote from: crwth on November 08, 2023, 11:19:03 AM

Doing everything you can to make sure that it's only you who have access will go a long way. That's a good practice that you need to tell your family or friends that you want to be protected. If you can continue like that and have your necessary things for crypto, then you are safe.

Sometimes, we need to be wary of the things we visit and the possible source of hack or something. The best way is to have a hardware wallet that could protect your holdings.

We need to protect our privacy most especially when it comes to the security of our investments. If it means its safest not to disclose to other family members that we are into bitcoin investment, then let's do it for security purposes. You are not only protecting your private keys to your investment, but you are generally protecting yourself away from danger.

Saying out loud that you are currently into bitcoin is a big mistake, that will only trigger the people around to keep an eye on you so they can steal whatever they can. Most especially when it comes to your private keys, just keep it to yourself and by putting your coins in a hardware wallet, the rate of security becomes high.

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Quote from: Japinat on November 08, 2023, 05:55:40 PM

What's the purpose in the first place if you intentionally say out loud about your private keys? Because if you aim to get the attention of other people, then surely you will succeed that's why hackers are now sighting on you as their new target. And because of that, you are damn fool because you are trying to put yourself and your own investment in danger, and whoever does that is not actually having the right thinking.

Private Keys are base 58 carefully selected characters, no sensible person will sit in a corner and called out a private keys without a genuine reason, maybe there is no fund in it. It's only a seed phrase one can read out since they are words that are chosen from 2048 words for wallet Imported(WIF) format of Mnemonic phrase. If after reading everything about bitcoin and you decide to give out the words, then I assume it's either there is no bitcoin in any of the private keys or the person is mentally challenge.

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Instead, learn to live lowkey and respect your own privacy. The word private keys means that you only have to keep and deal it with yourself and not to be advertised to other people even your closest family and friends. That is the key to your own investment, and anyone who might accidentally knows it too will sure to deprive you later on the full control of your wallet and investment.

People don't value privacy, even when you lay low, you can still expose your privacy. How one use a wallet address can exposed privacy but some people don't know this, combining UTXO as an input in a new transaction expose one privacy because if one of the input is a KYC bitcoin, then on chain analyst will assume that it is the same person that own the bitcoin. The way we also receive change in address also expose our privacy but people don't know all this. However, security comes before anything in crypto and I agreed with your points but if we preserve privacy in a way we also used bitcoin, it will be better.

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This is one habit I don't think is common amongst bitcoiners, saying their phrase out loud is something they will not just be doing because almost everyone knows the implications of doing such, but then it's important we take note of this information so we don't get I'm a situation some day a d mistakenly do that which we are not supposed to, its in our responsibility to always keep our wallet information safe especially the seed phrases as they are the gateway to our wallets.

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This is why one should be mature enough before they get into financial markets and into keeping their finances on their own because anything related to finances tends to be very sensitive and it must be kept very carefully. People nowadays trust their gadgets and devices a lot, thinking that it's only them who have access to them by putting a login password or key to the gadget without realizing the fact that the stealers wouldn't need to have login access to their device to do their work but they have different ways to do it.

Your advice is useful, of course, because I know there can be a lot of people who might think that WhatsApp calls or calls over any phone network or anything are secured with end-to-end encryption and it's only them and the other party listening and they may say things that they shouldn't over the call.

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Quote from: iBaba on November 08, 2023, 03:23:42 AM

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Saying the passphrase out may not be an issue, especially if all aren't said out, as there are many words to it. What caught my attention in what you shared is the webcam thing. That's true for those who make use of PCs. We can't rule out that, and with the cam being on at such a time like that; it exposes things on the other side.

Quote from: Kelward on November 08, 2023, 09:22:09 AM

The first wallet that I ever opened, which I ignorantly misplaced the piece of paper where I wrote the password that very day without knowing, and the seed phrase that I saw later wasn't complete, I still have the coinomi wallet and the bitcoin inside it, but I can not send it.

Sadly, many more people will still fall victim to this incident of yours as narrated once the adrenaline rush gets a hold of them as soon as they get the idea of Bitcoin and want to earn from it. They throw caution to the wind. People are often carefree about the safety and security of their wallets no matter how often that warning is sounded.

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Lastly, whenever you work on your recovery seed, put your mobile phones in another room,

Don't be paranoid too much, because that makes you overthinking and it will actually backfire on you. Just simply didn't save it online is enough save for me. being too afraid will make you careless and forget everything what the purpose. you will actually be more focused on your mobile phone and might forget how to write and save your recovery seed. Maybe you will spell the wrong word on the paper, or forget to keep it on safe box because you more focus too much on that unimportant thing (your paranoid)

This is the problem of some individual about wallet security since they overthink to much since they remark all unnecessary think as risk for them. That's why they've been paranoid on what representation they see on internet. If they could just follow all necessary measures for keeping their private key or recovery seed safe for sure they will never get compromised by anyone. We just need a proper knowledge on how to secure our wallet and that's it since its really crazy if we believe easily on unverified story which doesn't have any basis.

I just write up my important details on notebook and keep it on my cabinet, so far I never get a serious issue about doing this since I never experience any hacking. It may still have risk to be stolen but I think that will not happen since aside from my family there's no other person can enter my room.

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Anyone who is about to venture into bitcoin investment most take a thorough learning or class about how to secure their privacy especially in the terms of seed phrase security in general wallet privacy since is the most important key factor when it comes of investment. I don't think anyone who wants to secure their investment will be that loud and open to start revealing their privacy to everyone around them or not being mindful on how they secure their seed phrase, as i know it's only a fool that will be on call and start mentioning their keys.

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I agree that the technology that is in our homes today is sometimes so smart that it can periodically turn on the microphone and record everything that happens in the house. This can especially apply to smart devices, such as smart TVs, speakers, and, of course, gadgets. But who in a normal mind would pronounce their seed phrases if everyone is advised to be very careful with their phrases? However, I don't think there can be cases of hacking for such reasons. More like paranoia, which can drive the owner crazy, looking for surveillance everywhere. But yes, if you are the owner of millions, there may be wiretapping in your house, as we often see in modern TV series. Grin

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In my case, every time I manage my keys I cover the cameras around me (laptop, smartphone...). I won't go so far as writing them under the blankets Cheesy

but I have not so much to lose as Snowden.

About saying my seed loud, well, that's something that should be taken for granted. And I can't imagine a case either. Maybe when someone is used to talk when he reads? or reading it to a close relative or friend who is typing it somewhere else, simply for convenience? These cases are totally avoidable.

Anyway, although what the OP says is possible, I don't think it is very probable for most mortals. Unless you have a great wealth in cryptos, I don't think you'll be addessed/actively spied. But better safe than sorry.

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Quote from: Darker45 on November 08, 2023, 09:47:23 PM

It's funny how we're starting to mistrust our technologies. But I guess that's just what we need to do in order to protect our privacy. If only we can avoid all of them. I remember the scene in the movie Snowden in which Edward has to hide inside a blanket whenever he types his login information. Eyes and ears are always around us. Unfortunately, however, our smart phones and computers are precisely what they are. To a non-techy person like me, sometimes it makes me paranoid.

That's the fruit of us being too complacent and giving the government and megacorporations too much power over the stuff that we as a consumers consume and now they got us by the balls and we aren't doing anything about it, I guess we have to be wary of our devices but if you're cautious about what you put online and what you do online then you're probably going to be just fine. Dude, even the techy person are paranoid like you because they actually know how those surveillance stuff works and how easy it is to do that to an individual phone let alone an entire network of people that's connected to the Internet.

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It's funny how we're starting to mistrust our technologies. But I guess that's just what we need to do in order to protect our privacy. If only we can avoid all of them. I remember the scene in the movie Snowden in which Edward has to hide inside a blanket whenever he types his login information. Eyes and ears are always around us. Unfortunately, however, our smart phones and computers are precisely what they are. To a non-techy person like me, sometimes it makes me paranoid.

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Quote from: iBaba on November 08, 2023, 03:23:42 AM

We have read several information about how Bitcoiners should protect their private keys as your bitcoin security and protection remains the most imperative part of your Bitcoin life and assets.

It is not overemphasized to always sort for more knowledge on how you can protect your bitcoin private keys as they are the most delicate alphanumericals that you can ever protect.

Once someone is able to hack into your private key, it becomes easy to sweep your account within seconds. This is unlike the bank account passwords or Gmail passwords that will probably require some factor verifications.

Never store your private key in any centralized or decentralized online data storage, none can be 100% trusted but the most salient part of this post is to bring our minds into this topic especially why it is important for you never to say your recovery seed or private key aloud because spy devices could be planted near you and will steal your information ASAP. Trust me when I say this isn't a satire as it is possible for Bezos to pick your private keys by using Alexa to record your keys, lols.

Realize that self-serving voice activated services or microphone database such as Alexa and Siri amongst others can log everything and once someone is able to penetrate or hack into Amazon or Apple, your information could be shared into the Dark web or on Clearnet.

So it is very important never to say your recovery seed out loud since you just can't figure out in this age, who's listening or watching you whilst you're alone in your bedroom with your gadgets. Don't mention your recovery seed in a phone conversation with a friend or family, even when you're calling through end-to-end encrypted applications such as WhatsApp.

Your gadgets could be the spy agents too.

Lastly, whenever you work on your recovery seed, put your mobile phones in another room, put a tape over your webcams as an added security measures and never do anything with your Bitcoin in a public space like McDonald's or Chicken Republic that is full of listening devices. Don't be carried away.

A photo of Mark Zuckerberg's computer Webcam covered with a masking tape will go a long way to solidify my claims.
Source: https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/mark-zuckerberg-puts-tape-webcam/story?id=40040340

First of all you should not:

Store private keys in your emails draft or storage like gmail
Never share private keys to anyone because they might steal your assets

What to do:

Keep the private key to yourself
Store your private keys offline
Make copies of the private keys incase your copy lost
If you have extra pc use it online and store keys there and make sure its secure

I would not try to talk saying my keys to anyone, because for sure if they found out i have money in there, they might get jealous and do something worse than stealing it from you so be very careful, people this days will do anything for money.

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Quote from: iBaba on November 08, 2023, 03:23:42 AM

Lastly, whenever you work on your recovery seed, put your mobile phones in another room,

Don't be paranoid too much, because that makes you overthinking and it will actually backfire on you. Just simply didn't save it online is enough save for me. being too afraid will make you careless and forget everything what the purpose. you will actually be more focused on your mobile phone and might forget how to write and save your recovery seed. Maybe you will spell the wrong word on the paper, or forget to keep it on safe box because you more focus too much on that unimportant thing (your paranoid)

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Quote from: iBaba on November 08, 2023, 03:23:42 AM

Never store your private key in any centralized or decentralized online data storage, none can be 100% trusted but the most salient part of this post is to bring our minds into this topic especially why it is important for you never to say your recovery seed or private key aloud because spy devices could be planted near you and will steal your information ASAP. Trust me when I say this isn't a satire as it is possible for Bezos to pick your private keys by using Alexa to record your keys, lols.

Cloud storage, even if it has the most complicated password, the hackers can still get to it. And then emails as well, when we thought that we have control of our emails and so we used it safe this mnemonic phrases or private key, it's not also safe.

Even the likes of Privnotes, a self destructing and legitimate encrypted online message service, has also been a target of cyber criminals.

And recently, cameras are also being used by scammers and phishers as one mode of attacks, so everyone should be very careful.

Just go offline though or used airgapped PC just to be on the safe side.

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Quote from: Japinat on November 08, 2023, 05:55:40 PM

What's the purpose in the first place if you intentionally say out loud about your private keys? Because if you aim to get the attention of other people, then surely you will succeed that's why hackers are now sighting on you as their new target. And because of that, you are damn fool because you are trying to put yourself and your own investment in danger, and whoever does that is not actually having the right thinking.

This may happen to beginners if they manually write their recovery seed. They might raise their voices due to the surrounding noise in a public place or repeat these phrases with their mouth until they remember them so that they do not miswrite them. Some also memorize their private key or recovery seed on one of their social media accounts or messaging apps as a reference. This is also a big mistake. They are called "Private" and not "Public" to remain in a safe place away from the eyes and ears of people and centralization in general. Therefore, if beginners cannot keep them safe, they will lose their wallets and funds. For example, they can write down these phrases on paper or any hard material and store them safely. Suppose the need arises to open their wallet. In that case, they must ensure the privacy of their security details and ensure their devices are secure and their wallet is official and reputable.

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Recovery seed and private key should be kept secret and out of the prying eyes of other people. Just read the name itself, "Private Key", this means that this kind of information should be hidden away from public for the users' safety. Speaking it out in public simply means the person is asking everyone to steal his Bitcoin.

We have made preparations on how to securely keep our Bitcoin wallet details secret so it does not really make sense to expose these secret keys.

Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 08, 2023, 05:13:17 PM

What on earth could make anyone tell another person his/her seed phrase over the phone? That’s doesn’t make sense.

Carelessness can make a person expose his private keys in public. Aside from the lack of security knowledge.

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Your gadgets could be the spy agents

Yep, it’s no longer a secret that certain phone apps listen on their users in order to gather data from them. Big tech companies pay good money for these data. Ever wondered how come an ad about bags pops up on your timeline moments after you and your friends were just talking about bags. This is very common on Facebook, TikTok and Instagram. We sign up to these platforms and agree to their terms of service without fully understanding what it means.

Can these spying apps be prevented by anti-malware and antivirus? I heard that this kind of stuff is undetectable by anti-virus applications.

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Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 08, 2023, 05:13:17 PM

What on earth could make anyone tell another person his/her seed phrase over the phone?

Lack of knowledge about cryptocurrency.

Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 08, 2023, 05:13:17 PM

That’s doesn’t make sense.

It does make sense because alot of crypto newbies are doing unbelievable things with their crypto-holding making them the victim of crypto scammers.
Here is an example

Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 08, 2023, 05:13:17 PM

Quote from: iBaba on November 08, 2023, 03:23:42 AM

Your gadgets could be the spy agents

Yep, it’s no longer a secret that certain phone apps listen on their users in order to gather data from them.

Not only app. There are some phone and computer keyboards that expose people to danger. This led to people buying privacy-enabled phones.

Quote from: SatoPrincess on November 08, 2023, 05:13:17 PM

Big tech companies pay good money for these data. Ever wondered how come an ad about bags pops up on your timeline moments after you and your friends were just talking about bags. This is very common on Facebook, TikTok and Instagram. We sign up to these platforms and agree to their terms of service without fully understanding what it means.

Facebook is the master of user data stealing social media and that's the reason why Mark once had a lawsuit for user privacy data because only cares about making more money.

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What's the purpose in the first place if you intentionally say out loud about your private keys? Because if you aim to get the attention of other people, then surely you will succeed that's why hackers are now sighting on you as their new target. And because of that, you are damn fool because you are trying to put yourself and your own investment in danger, and whoever does that is not actually having the right thinking.

Instead, learn to live lowkey and respect your own privacy. The word private keys means that you only have to keep and deal it with yourself and not to be advertised to other people even your closest family and friends. That is the key to your own investment, and anyone who might accidentally knows it too wil sure to deprive you later on the full control of your wallet and investment.

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The name already suggest that it shouldn't be shared publicly it wouldn't make sense if you if it is not to be keep private. This is the same as password where you are the only one who knows about it and shouldn't be shared so that no one else can access your account. In crypto wallet, never sharing your PRIVATE key means your assets will be safe. Many of us already knows that there are ways to get your password so that means there are also ways to get your private key when it's online that's why keeping your private key or seed phrase offline or using metal then it should be safe.

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I am sure no man in this world will say out their recovery key, and it's almost impossible to talk about the private key, especially Bitcoin Wallet.

The name technically means a lot. Private key, yes private, anything private must be kept secretly and only the owner knows it.

It is not a public key, public address to share to everyone.

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But it seems some people make it hard to follow and understand simple words. Privacy means not disclosing it to other people, but still a lot of us are still disclosing it secretly to our family members and even to close friends. That's why hacking becomes more prevalent because we are the one giving them hints and intentions to do that.

However, its good thing to see that most of the people are now more educated on how to secure their private keys through some articles about protecting the privacy of their seed phrases or wallet key. And those who have experienced being hacked are now more cautious on their actions and decisions.

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