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November 01, 2024, 03:41:39 PM
#57
The OP created this thread and then contributed to it by making two posts on the day it was created. Following that another two posts were made the day after. Now when we are two weeks in to the thread being created and since their last post, the OP seems to have understood their attention-seeking has backfired. We do not know the names of any other accounts the OP is operating but clearly the idea is for him to enrol them on to campaigns otherwise we would not here.
It is natural that newbies hardly follow up conversations. When I was new it happened to me and it has been happening in the forum. Sometimes the comments get too much and they don't know how to join again or they might have gotten answers or see that the community does not approve of their idea, they will back off without locking the thread.

Campaign managers will decide if you are qualified by looking at your profile. Writing a paragraph is pointless because even spammers are capable of writing a good enough description that might sound convincing to managers. To know if someone will provide good value to a campaign it is more important to check if someone has negative trust and whether their writing has an acceptable quality.
Spammers writing good enough or convincing description might not be easy unless they are aided by AI. What causes spamming could be bad knowledge of English language. Or do people just choose to be spammers even if they can do better?
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November 01, 2024, 02:51:34 PM
#56
Meanwhile, I trust your judgement and urge to try new things, maybe when it doesn't work as expected you can make some adjustments also.

Some rules that a few campaign managers are applying in their campaigns are pretty effective in reducing spam and useless posters getting enrolled and paid in campaigns for things they write around the forum that don't make much sense. @yahoo isn't paying posts in megathreads, @icopress doesn't pay posts that are done in threads having above 10 pages in local boards, etc.

So even if someone is only posting to get paid, such rules make them more responsible with their posts, and I don't see any harm in someone making posts in the forum only to get paid by their signature campaign as long as they are positively making those posts and aren't spamming the forum with junk and getting paid for it.

I think more managers need to implement such rules in their campaigns, it does make a difference, in some way.
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October 28, 2024, 06:17:34 AM
#55
The OP created this thread and then contributed to it by making two posts on the day it was created. Following that another two posts were made the day after. Now when we are two weeks in to the thread being created and since their last post, the OP seems to have understood their attention-seeking has backfired. We do not know the names of any other accounts the OP is operating but clearly the idea is for him to enrol them on to campaigns otherwise we would not here.
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October 27, 2024, 03:14:23 PM
#54
yep , they're basing what kind of negative trust you have, if you're spammer on a sig camp of course you're automatically decline for the campaign
It is incorrect use of the trust system to give negative feedback to spammers, negative feedback should be for trade related risks. At best a spammer should receive a neutral feedback, and that should be enough to warn a manager about that member, though the manager would still have to check the member's post history by themselves to be sure if the feedback is valid and not wrong or retaliatory.
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October 27, 2024, 07:32:22 AM
#53
Campaign managers will decide if you are qualified by looking at your profile. Writing a paragraph is pointless because even spammers are capable of writing a good enough description that might sound convincing to managers. To know if someone will provide good value to a campaign it is more important to check if someone has negative trust and whether their writing has an acceptable quality.

Simple, you don't need to convince a signature manager to hire you, your profile should do the convincing. Depending on the campaigns, where a user post more frequently, the quality of his post and activities on the forum should be the deciding factor.

Merits too but not always compulsory, anything else is just not necessary. The reason for the detail being asked is for it to be easier for the manager to update the spreadsheet with the correct information. Without that, simply answer of I'm interested can be used for hiring, no need writing a wall of text. Since you're that good that you want to use your wall of text to convince the manager to hire you, why don't they used that strength/time to be productive to the forum and getting campaign won't be difficult for them.
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October 26, 2024, 12:54:55 PM
#52
To know if someone will provide good value to a campaign it is more important to check if someone has negative trust and whether their writing has an acceptable quality.
Negative trust? I don't think so, there are users who receive negative trust that is not justified, that should not deny them a spot in a campaign. I'm sure campaign managers check if the negative feedback is valid and if it is from a dt member, or if the member has more positive feedback than negative.
yep , they're basing what kind of negative trust you have, if you're spammer on a sig camp of course you're automatically decline for the campaign or let say there's something you do that not allowed while on the campaign , such as enrolling multiple accounts coz that's a very big negative for them. So don't expect even in bounties section if we we're talking about having negative trust on this forum.
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October 24, 2024, 04:48:32 PM
#51
I disagree with your last point. They are free to post in those threads just like they may have been, but they will not be paid to do so. If they decide to not post because they were only posting to get paid, what does that tell us?
It tell us that they are only posting for the pay. But that's what is obtainable in the forum. We know that the number of real and organic posters is reducing on a daily. For instance, there's no restrictions in boards like serious discussion, off topic and their likes, but people don't post their because posts there doesn't count towards the campaign quota.

Meanwhile, I trust your judgement and urge to try new things, maybe when it doesn't work as expected you can make some adjustments also.
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October 23, 2024, 08:12:38 PM
#50
As I was saying, it's probably better to have a thread for each match. If leagues, a thread per season. Shortly after a game or a season ends, the thread would be closed. This avoids mega threads that grow until forever. Sports don't end. Leagues don't end either. It also avoids muddled discussions.
But there’s always some off-season talk, like in NBA threads - trade rumors and big news that get everyone hyped up. If it’s a league thread, it's almost guaranteed to become a mega-thread. One season lasts for months, and if you look at even just a generic post in the gambling discussion board, after just one day you’ll already see 3 to 4 pages of replies. People love posting, mostly to meet their campaign requirements. Now imagine a league thread, tons of teams, news, and speculation...the more stuff comes out, the more people talk. Honestly, these are the threads that really dig into the league. But once it becomes a mega-thread, it’s not great for advertisers looking to showcase their signatures.

That's why league threads should be avoided as much as possible. Notice one popular thread there. It has been open for almost a decade. Opening post is talking about something that happened many years ago. OP himself has been inactive for several years. And yet the thread has continuously grown. It has tens of thousands of replies already and thousands of pages. All kinds of discussions are there-- specific games, players, plays, statistics, standings, trades, controversies, odds, and so on and so forth. It could have been broken down into several topics.
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October 23, 2024, 05:32:12 PM
#49
To know if someone will provide good value to a campaign it is more important to check if someone has negative trust and whether their writing has an acceptable quality.
Negative trust? I don't think so, there are users who receive negative trust that is not justified, that should not deny them a spot in a campaign. I'm sure campaign managers check if the negative feedback is valid and if it is from a dt member, or if the member has more positive feedback than negative.
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October 23, 2024, 04:15:33 PM
#48
Only drawback is I hope this doesn't lead them to open more generic threads discussing what do we think about whatever silly topic they can come up with.


That's exactly what will play out, there's no doubt about that. As Darker said above, there's actually nothing much to be discussing in that section when you exempt all the major football leagues and other mega threads.

But then, I have my own reservations also. When I visit such mega threads, I see more of stake and Rollbit signatures and avatars dominating there. So, even if those mega threads are spam threads, there's also a kind of competition on who's avatar and signature dominates there. Your campaign participants not posting in those threads, could mean the project missing out in such unspoken competition.
I disagree with your last point. They are free to post in those threads just like they may have been, but they will not be paid to do so. If they decide to not post because they were only posting to get paid, what does that tell us?

The competition in a thread is probably the least worried about thing for Stake as they likely have 5x or more the participants than other companies, so they don't really have to worry about their ad being seen.
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October 23, 2024, 04:02:28 PM
#47
Only drawback is I hope this doesn't lead them to open more generic threads discussing what do we think about whatever silly topic they can come up with.


That's exactly what will play out, there's no doubt about that. As Darker said above, there's actually nothing much to be discussing in that section when you exempt all the major football leagues and other mega threads.

But then, I have my own reservations also. When I visit such mega threads, I see more of stake and Rollbit signatures and avatars dominating there. So, even if those mega threads are spam threads, there's also a kind of competition on who's avatar and signature dominates there. Your campaign participants not posting in those threads, could mean the project missing out in such unspoken competition.
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October 23, 2024, 01:11:41 AM
#46
Campaign managers will decide if you are qualified by looking at your profile. Writing a paragraph is pointless because even spammers are capable of writing a good enough description that might sound convincing to managers. To know if someone will provide good value to a campaign it is more important to check if someone has negative trust and whether their writing has an acceptable quality.
hero member
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October 22, 2024, 11:26:32 PM
#45
As I was saying, it's probably better to have a thread for each match. If leagues, a thread per season. Shortly after a game or a season ends, the thread would be closed. This avoids mega threads that grow until forever. Sports don't end. Leagues don't end either. It also avoids muddled discussions.
But there’s always some off-season talk, like in NBA threads - trade rumors and big news that get everyone hyped up. If it’s a league thread, it's almost guaranteed to become a mega-thread. One season lasts for months, and if you look at even just a generic post in the gambling discussion board, after just one day you’ll already see 3 to 4 pages of replies. People love posting, mostly to meet their campaign requirements. Now imagine a league thread, tons of teams, news, and speculation...the more stuff comes out, the more people talk. Honestly, these are the threads that really dig into the league. But once it becomes a mega-thread, it’s not great for advertisers looking to showcase their signatures.

  • Yahoo would definitely use upto 5days to select participants.
Every campaign manager has their own way of picking participants. For yahoo62278, that’s just his style. Same goes for Hhampuz..from what I've seen in many of his campaigns, he only needs about 24 hours to choose who gets in. What really matters isn't how they pick, but whether they select quality posters. And at the end of the day, it's not up to us, it’s up to the campaign manager to choose who’ll represent the company best.
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October 22, 2024, 09:57:12 PM
#44
yahoo62278 launched a campaign recently and the campaign saw over 100 applications. If yahoo had used Op's suggestion, two things could have happened;
  • Such number of applications wouldn't have happened. Maybe a lesser number would have bothered to write a formal application knowing too well that their chances of being accepted is limited.
  • Yahoo would definitely use upto 5days to select participants.
LOL, well I would've loved the idea if it was refined more.
The OPs suggestion was just a suggestion and not the best, but I'm not gonna fault him for giving his suggestion. I agreed that something needed done, so 1 thing I did implement into this campaign is no posts in megathreads in the gambling discussion section will count towards the post count. We have 10 or so soccer league threads and a few cricket threads that users can spam over a day or 2 and get their weekly post counts barely adding anything to a discussion. Maybe if they're forced to post elsewhere, they might find a topic they can contribute to in a more positive way.

I also looked through each users posts and if they posted mainly in those megathreads, they got skipped.

Only drawback is I hope this doesn't lead them to open more generic threads discussing what do we think about whatever silly topic they can come up with.

It's a double-edged sword. After all, it seems there's really not much to discuss about gambling. As a matter of fact, many of what's being discussed in the gambling section isn't about gambling. It's more apt to be called sports section. Strictly speaking, much of the posts are off-topic. Fortunately, however, you're requiring a low number of gambling posts per week. Had you required 10, for example, you'd be expecting a number of new threads on old topics.

As I was saying, it's probably better to have a thread for each match. If leagues, a thread per season. Shortly after a game or a season ends, the thread would be closed. This avoids mega threads that grow until forever. Sports don't end. Leagues don't end either. It also avoids muddled discussions.
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October 22, 2024, 05:43:18 PM
#43
That new approach isn't suitable for signature campaigns of this forum, the managers speculate members that they accept in a signature campaign and see the active contribution of that member overtime. If a members performs good in a signature campaign and he/she is active in the forum and makes enough number of posts on weekly basis then that member might be preferred to be part of the campaign for long term or for as long as a signature campaign is active.

There have been some signature campaigns where members have stayed in that campaign for more than 20 weeks and in some even more than that if I'm not wrong. Those members that stay in a signature campaign are the contributing members of the forum, and they're surely active members as well. And, I believe the present approach of campaign managers is still the best one to select the members in a signature campaign and it's working pretty well since long time.
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October 22, 2024, 05:21:30 PM
#42
yahoo62278 launched a campaign recently and the campaign saw over 100 applications. If yahoo had used Op's suggestion, two things could have happened;
  • Such number of applications wouldn't have happened. Maybe a lesser number would have bothered to write a formal application knowing too well that their chances of being accepted is limited.
  • Yahoo would definitely use upto 5days to select participants.
LOL, well I would've loved the idea if it was refined more.
The OPs suggestion was just a suggestion and not the best, but I'm not gonna fault him for giving his suggestion. I agreed that something needed done, so 1 thing I did implement into this campaign is no posts in megathreads in the gambling discussion section will count towards the post count. We have 10 or so soccer league threads and a few cricket threads that users can spam over a day or 2 and get their weekly post counts barely adding anything to a discussion. Maybe if they're forced to post elsewhere, they might find a topic they can contribute to in a more positive way.

I also looked through each users posts and if they posted mainly in those megathreads, they got skipped.

Only drawback is I hope this doesn't lead them to open more generic threads discussing what do we think about whatever silly topic they can come up with.

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October 22, 2024, 05:11:51 PM
#41
yahoo62278 launched a campaign recently and the campaign saw over 100 applications. If yahoo had used Op's suggestion, two things could have happened;
  • Such number of applications wouldn't have happened. Maybe a lesser number would have bothered to write a formal application knowing too well that their chances of being accepted is limited.
  • Yahoo would definitely use upto 5days to select participants.
LOL, well I would've loved the idea if it was refined more.
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October 21, 2024, 11:20:12 PM
#40
Applying for a signature campaign is different from applying for a job in the real world, in my opinion a signature campaign is like a company renting space for them to put their company's advertising banner and the owner of the place does not need to tell how to make the advertising banner read by many people because the tenant will find the best place where their promotion is read by many people, and the company will be represented by a campaign manager to assess which members can provide a lot of exposure to the promoted website, so what you suggest is not wrong, it just won't be very useful for the company or campaign manager to get participants who match their criteria.
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October 16, 2024, 11:40:50 AM
#39
Manager is supposed to recruit individuals for the campaign who they consider as capable of bringing more exposure to the signature they wear via quality posts and contribution so posting 200 or 500 words that impress is irrelevant.

I would say just post the rank and Bitcoin address that let the manager know that the person is interested and if they think you're the right person then they will accept your application for the slot and that's how it always has been.
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October 16, 2024, 09:22:24 AM
#38
I have seen one method of application for campaign in the forum which all the campaign managers follow, which is;

Forum profile link:
Rank:
Merit earned in 120 days:
Bitcoin address:

How about if a manager decides to use a different format. Like;

So and so exchange or casino wants to promote their brand in the forum, in not more than 200 words, apply and tell how you would promote the company and help it to establish in the forum within 4 weeks.


I think this will give the applicants the opportunity to express themselves and even the manager would know the ideology of the people promoting the project.

That might work, with a certain approach and method, but it shouldn't be called a signature campaign. Because the idea of Signature Campaign is for the participant to wear the signature that promote the project that pays them, while they are being active in the Bitcointalk forum, make the signature ads widely served to the other forum users. And this make the Bitcointalk signature campaign is unique to Bitcointalk, while OP's idea can be done anywhere outside the forum.

This user probably assume that signature campaign participants are obligated to shill the project they are promoting in the addition to the signature code the user is wearing.

I found this suggestion useless since user can just use AI to generate an application statement that suitable for application while that part itself is not related to the job they are doing when they are accepted to the campaign.

I think the campaign manager itself is the one responsible on thinking about strategy on how will signature campaign will help his client by carefully choosing participants and adjusting rules based on the project needs.
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