New bitcointalk rank? 🔥 - page 2.

arhipova

member

Activity: 136

Merit: 16

Quote from: _BlackStar on January 29, 2023, 05:01:16 AM

I don't know how many users are still consistently active and posting in 10 straight years until now. I guess they deserve special title rather than new rank just because some users manage to get 2000 or 20000 merit. It takes lot of dedication to stay active on this forum for 10 years non-stop, and I think they deserve it. Such loyalty should earn proper reward instead of considering the amount of merit earned for new rank, but this is just my assumption.

There need not be reward in terms of rank for everything. Those who are active here for 10 years had already got rewarded in terms of skills, investment and returns. They also gained lot of information and updates related to crypto from this forum in these 10 years which is more rewarding than some rank.

Another issue with such a reward is that suppose you give that rank for activity of 10 years to someone. Now he becomes inactive and the rank or badge is taken away from him. So , now his 10 year dedication has no value ?

I like the current ranking system as it is. There are no changes required as of now. With the current system, forum is able to maintain decent activity and growth. So why experiment with a structure that is already working good for the forum ?

_BlackStar

legendary

Activity: 1064

Merit: 1228

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I don't know how many users are still consistently active and posting in 10 straight years until now. I guess they deserve special title rather than new rank just because some users manage to get 2000 or 20000 merit. It takes lot of dedication to stay active on this forum for 10 years non-stop, and I think they deserve it. Such loyalty should earn proper reward instead of considering the amount of merit earned for new rank, but this is just my assumption.

Even if some people can make requests about new ranks because the number of merit earned has already reached 2K or 15K, then I hope that their activity points as high dedication on the forum should also be considered. It's something like Loyalty & Engagement - but I haven't thought of any names to call it yet.

LoyceV

legendary

Activity: 3290

Merit: 16489

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Quote from: Rikafip on January 29, 2023, 03:10:32 AM

After all, isn't the main goal of the merit system to make it harder for shitposters to rank up, and not make it a heavy grind for an average member? (imho it shouldn't be)

That's how I view the Merit system too. As long as someone isn't a shitposter, Merit shouldn't hold them back.

Rikafip

legendary

Activity: 1722

Merit: 5937

Quote from: Timelord2067 on January 28, 2023, 08:50:54 PM

The merit sources don't share the merits amongst themselves in your above senario. The less merits to share around, the harder it is to obtain those merits should equate to higher quality posts to obtain the fewer merits on offer.
Less merits = better, quality posts.

So you want people to grind for every single merit? Even in current situation where there's abundance of merit, forum numbers have been dwindling down for years so I don't think that it's in the forum's best interest to make it even harder to rank up. After all, isn't the main goal of the merit system to make it harder for shitposters to rank up, and not make it a heavy grind for an average member? (imho it shouldn't be)

LoyceV

legendary

Activity: 3290

Merit: 16489

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Quote from: drwhobox on January 28, 2023, 05:57:47 PM

How many of the members have 2000+ merits in the forum?

150

selezneve

jr. member

Activity: 132

Merit: 1

Quote from: m2017 on January 28, 2023, 12:09:28 PM

Why not hold an official vote on this issue in order to understand and evaluate the demand of the forum members?

Because that can be abused by votes from new accounts from spammers.

krishnaverma

full member

Activity: 1442

Merit: 108

This rank system should be kept as simple as possible. If you notice generally during school and college, only three ranks are given importance. First, second and third. There hundreds of students in each class and if we give each of them one rank (which is practically possible), the significance of ranks is gone. The current number of ranks are already enough and there is no need to add more ranks to complicate the system. Hero and legendary are kind of similar for me, it is just matter of time to reach the next rank. One has already proved his worth and knowledge by attaining the first higher rank.

libert19

hero member

Activity: 2520

Merit: 952

Quote from: Despairo on January 27, 2023, 11:06:52 PM

I think the new rank should be at least 2.5K merit, similar like how Full member rank up to Senior Member. After 2.5K, then 5K and 10K, however after all there's no end since merit keep increasing and there's no any "adjustment".

We could have something like requirement where user must earn certain number of merits and activity within period to stay in that new rank oherwise be kicked out. For this rank to be attained, the base member rank must be leggy.

Timelord2067

legendary

Activity: 3696

Merit: 2219

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Quote from: Rikafip on January 28, 2023, 05:22:35 PM

Problem is, there is a lack of even an average newbies so what will high ranking members do when there's lack of decent newbies other than share the merit among themselves.

Supply and demand.

The merit sources don't share the merits amongst themselves in your above senario. The less merits to share around, the harder it is to obtain those merits should equate to higher quality posts to obtain the fewer merits on offer.

Less merits = better, quality posts.

Quote from: dkbit98 on January 28, 2023, 05:03:11 PM

Quick workaround for your request could be made with BPIP extension or script, if someone is willing to make more pseudo-ranks like Veteran or Elite, maybe even Retired for inactive members.

BPIP's greasemonkey script already shows banned and inactive. Someone else made a script to show posts reported. No doubt a script could be created for "Fantasmigroical" if need be.

OP: Why do you want to break your arm patting yourself on the back with a new rank?

sheenshane

legendary

Activity: 2492

Merit: 1232

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on January 28, 2023, 10:00:45 AM

3k Merits & 3k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 22 Accounts
4k Merits & 4k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 1 Account (Theymos)

3k merits and 3k activity is a good idea for a new rank if there is one, these members in the pipeline deserve a new rank IMO.

Yes, it's not necessary as of now but I think it's needed in the future (not unless epochtalk will replace it) because from time to time, there's a potential member who deserves a new rank, and will be reached that 3k merits and 3k activity.

The question is, what new rank will be called?
Mythic or Mythical? Cheesy

drwhobox

full member

Activity: 756

Merit: 133

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There is no point in having a new rank in the forum. How many of the members have 2000+ merits in the forum? It is a huge task for anyone to reach that 2000 merit mark to achieve that new rank, but maybe not for someone who already got 1000 merits five years ago.

Quote from: Despairo on January 27, 2023, 11:06:52 PM

There are a lot users already earn 3K+ merit and few of them already earn 10K+ merit.

I think the new rank should be at least 2.5K merit, similar like how Full member rank up to Senior Member. After 2.5K, then 5K and 10K, however after all there's no end since merit keep increasing and there's no any "adjustment".

Those users are exceptional not everyone is going to earn merit like them, and they are well respected in the forum not just because they have a lot of merits or they are legendary members but because they provide much more value than any one of us who ranked low in the forum.

Quote from: tranthidung on January 27, 2023, 10:52:15 PM

theymos has never replied on this idea and likely he did not feel comfortable to deploy it officially.

Theymos clearly have no intention to keep creating a new rank every time a member reached a new milestone of earning merit.

Rikafip

legendary

Activity: 1722

Merit: 5937

Quote from: Timelord2067 on January 28, 2023, 04:37:56 PM

theymos' experiment with merits as a means of rank promotion is an abject failure as the DT1 merit sources golden shower each-other with high merits for status and the newbies get nothing trickling down, hence their prolific shit posting and alt farms.

In the ~3 and a half years since I joined the forum its never been easier for newbie accounts to rank up. First of all, number of posts written dropped down significantly (probably in the region of 50%, maybe even more) meaning less competition, while in the same time there was an increase in the amount of smerit generated each month. Combine those two things and you get a situation where all you have to be is a half decent poster in order to rank up regularly.

Problem is, there is a lack of even an average newbies so what will high ranking members do when there's lack of decent newbies other than share the merit among themselves.

dkbit98

legendary

Activity: 2212

Merit: 7064

Quote from: seoincorporation on January 27, 2023, 07:56:54 PM

Let's rest 1000 merits to all the legendary users from those who get 1000 merits and make a new raking for those who haven't hit the 1000 merits. For example, if you have 1990 merits, then you will be 10 merits away from legendary, but you will have the new rank until then.

I don't see any real reason why we need to create new forum ranks for merits, and nobody would see any benefit from this.
It's much better to spend time on fixing real bugs and improving stuff with scripts, maybe even doing final transition to new epoch talk software.
Quick workaround for your request could be made with BPIP extension or script, if someone is willing to make more pseudo-ranks like Veteran or Elite, maybe even Retired for inactive members.

Timelord2067

legendary

Activity: 3696

Merit: 2219

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Quote from: tranthidung on January 28, 2023, 06:55:54 AM

They're really deserved it and in my opinion, a highest rank (new one) should be applied for 10,000+ or 20,000+ merit. No more rank above it so its requirement should be really high.

The ones with 10,000 merits are mostly merit sources gifting each-other nonsensically high merits for essentially glib posts to each-other with none of the trickle down effect that @theymos was hoping for to help those at lower rank positions rank up. The only place where the ranks count is in the campaigns where legendary pays higher than hero etc. I could have posted this comment in another thread this week where it has become clear a handful of newbies are alts all participating in the pumpkin merit competition. Why? Because they are scrounging a living creating alts to then joining multiple (or the same) signature campaigns.

theymos' experiment with merits as a means of rank promotion is an abject failure as the DT1 merit sources golden shower each-other with high merits for status and the newbies get nothing trickling down, hence their prolific shit posting and alt farms.

There is never a reason to merit more than one or two merits and, once you attain the rank of legendary, then you don't need merits being bestowed on you if all you are going to do is merit other legendary users, not those below you in the ranking positions.

nakamura12

hero member

Activity: 2268

Merit: 669

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The system works good and I don't think that having new rank is unnecessary but it is cool in my opinion to have new rank above legendary. Anyway, it would also be cool to have title for those who have lots of merits. It is more like an achievement just like in online games. For example, King Of Merits (Earn A Total of 10 000 Merits) or whatever it is deserving for those who have that amount of merits. The introduction of merit system already done it's job and it is still doing its job until now and I have seen that others still didn't rank up for known reasons.

un_rank

hero member

Activity: 644

Merit: 661

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Quote from: uchegod-21 on January 28, 2023, 03:08:32 PM

Mr. A can be in Legendary rank with Mr. B. But Mr. Having upto 5,000 merits while Mr. B has 1023 merits will likely show that Mr A contributes meaningfully than Mr. B. If this continue to work, what then is the need of adding another rank?

With this logic, there might be no need for any ranks at all. A user with 500 merits is assumed to contribute better than one with 10 (not always), one does not have to be a Hero member rank and the other a Member ranked user, assuming they both have the required activities.

The objective of the idea of a new rank from what I understand is to give users who contribute actively something to look forward to. For some there is a thrill when you achieve a new rank and the associated perks, it does not have to stop at legendary, but I think it can.

A new rank would open up discussions for a another one in a couple of years when we have members with 50,000 merits and then another a couple more years down the road. All these are ranks that should be recognized, but maybe with cool nicknames or personal text stickers.

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uchegod-21

hero member

Activity: 1134

Merit: 643

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The ranking system has lasted for so long and yet is is not boring. Do you really know why it is not boring?
It is because of the introduction of the merit system. The merit system makes the ranking still remain valid.
Mr. A can be in Legendary rank with Mr. B. But Mr. Having upto 5,000 merits while Mr. B has 1023 merits will likely show that Mr A contributes meaningfully than Mr. B. If this continue to work, what then is the need of adding another rank?

Doan9269

hero member

Activity: 812

Merit: 560

Quote from: seoincorporation on January 27, 2023, 07:56:54 PM

Let's rest 1000 merits to all the legendary users from those who get 1000 merits and make a new raking for those who haven't hit the 1000 merits. For example, if you have 1990 merits, then you will be 10 merits away from legendary, but you will have the new rank until then.

Introducing a new rank after the legendary rank could be another task on itself which I don't think there's a necessity for doing that, we deliver quality works on the forum not by ranks but if you're a type that is serious and keep to learning, improving yourself daily amd you dont scam or spam the forum then you're liable to grow in ranks over time, your growths is just to identify you to that particular required standard of how the forum expectee of you, I don't know if Theymos already have a plan on ground to implement something new about adding ranks after legendary but left to me i see no need for that, your work and presence speaks alot about the pedigree you have.

Peanutswar

legendary

Activity: 1708

Merit: 1280

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IMHO this can be added in the future because there's a lot of members right now reaching the 2k merits and those people I guess well deserved their earned rank because of their contribution in the community, having a set of range with the 2k-5k merits I guess for the additional rank incase might happen, I guess you created this because you just nothing seen new with the rank system. Still depends on the number of people who reach the specific range,

Quote from: DdmrDdmr on January 28, 2023, 10:00:45 AM

2k Merits & 2k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 95 Accounts
3k Merits & 3k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 22 Accounts
4k Merits & 4k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 1 Account (Theymos)

If this number of accounts might increase I guess there's a possibility they will make an implementation of new rank.

m2017

legendary

Activity: 1792

Merit: 1296

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Similar threads periodically appear on this forum with a proposal to add a new rank and I see comments both for and against. Why not hold an official vote on this issue in order to understand and evaluate the demand of the forum members? Perhaps even the administration.

I'm in two minds about adding a new rank. On the one hand, it seems, why is this necessary and what advantages does it give? The current ranking system has been in place for a long time and why change it once again. But on the other hand, bitcointalk has already made changes by adding a merit-system, which, in principle, has taken root and works well. It is unlikely that the new rank will spoil something here. Moreover, judging by the comments, there is still some demand for a new rank, and if this creates a new level for people to achieve, then why not.

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