Topic: New bitcointalk rank? 🔥 - page 3. (Read 882 times)

The idea of more levels might even be interesting, but I think it's a mistake to think of a new level based on merits. If new classifications emerge, they should be based on a new system, not the current one.

When the merits system came about, everyone received enough merits based on their current rank. But, from that moment on, new rules for leveling up appeared, including the merits system. To create new rankings, something like this has to be done, create a new criteria system in order to progress.

Otherwise, the idea will appear that with this system of merits, an elite is being fed, who wants to remain small and when they see many reaching their level, they want to have a new level to remain a small elite. It seems that since many users are now legendary, they think they should be something more to differentiate themselves from the other members.

So how many merits would it take to be part of this exclusive new club? Thinking like this might be unfair, because right now we have users with 3k, 4k (some with +10k) or more merits achieved. Unfair, because a new level was being created, based on old criteria.

It might be interesting to create another type of achievements for forum users, but they should be based on a new system, not the existing one.
As I believe this is difficult to happen, I also doubt that new user levels will appear. There may be some medals, let's call it that, for some deserving users.

It's not that the forum has too many Legendary members that my idea would look "unnecessarily colorful and messy" if nothing would change for some, others would get a change in the color of one coin, and the third would get the title of Legendary Veteran. I think that this idea is much more acceptable than that of depriving some Legendary members of that rank if they have not earned x amount of merit in x years or something similar.

I never thought that far, there have been so many users who have managed to get 1000 merits or more (apart from Airdrop) when the Merit System was in effect on the forums. So far they have been fine even though they have entered the +5000 merit club, it has never crossed their mind about a new Rank that is higher than Legendary.
Before you start this thread, there are already a lot of ideas like this. theymos never gave his eyes to the idea of a new rank higher than Legendary.

Just enjoy Legendary as the highest ranking Forum, you should be grateful to get there from other users. Legendary is everyone's dream in the forum, it's just that they haven't been as lucky as you.

Logical. However, if we are going to add another rank I would like to future proof it as much as possible. I don't want this forum to have a million different ranks, because they lose a little meaning then. That's assuming you value ranks in the first place, since ultimately they're just cosmetic for the most part. However, if we had a merit requirement of something ridiculous like 5k activity, and 5k merit I feel like that future proofs it, and means only the very dedicated users will ever reach that. 2k merits, and 2k activity I feel is a little too easy for the last rank of the forum.

You could've waited a little longer to do this metric .

To play along with the idea of a potential new Rank, I’ve taken a look at those accounts that have now got an aggregate total (earned+airdropped) of Merits > 1000, and clustered them into segments by simply dividing their Merits and Activity each by 1K.

That means that a MeritSegment of 1 means that the account has (1001 .. 1999] Merits, a MeritSegment of 2 has [2000 .. 2999] Merits and so forth. Likewise with the ActivitySegment.

There are currently 2.028 accounts with an aggregate Merit Counter of Merits > 1000, in accordance to the following distribution:

Since the current ranking system requires a quasi-similar amount of Merits and Activity for the mid-to-high Ranks, I’m assuming that this pattern would roughly follow (not exactly), and therefore the most logical potential candidate requirements would be:

2k Merits & 2k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 95 Accounts
3k Merits & 3k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 22 Accounts
4k Merits & 4k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 1 Account (Theymos)

The 2K^2 option has a significant base of 95 current forum members (+more potentials on their way), yet not too large, whilst the 3K^2 and 4k^2 seem too unpopulated for a rank (might as well give them a personal title than a rank).

Nevertheless, Activity is the slow factor to gain for quite a few. Looking at the segment table above, all those above 4K Merits are essentially way above their Activity, so perhaps pairing the two for potential new ranks is not the most adequate measure. Bearing this in mind, other alternative could be:

4 Merits & 2k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 27 Accounts
6 Merits & 3k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 5 Accounts
8 Merits & 4k Activity (greater or equal on both accounts): 1 Account (Theymos)

This set is of course more restrictive than the prior set, but the first entry (4K2K) could be an option.

I’m assuming that, overall, 2K Activity would be the target for the hypothetical next rank, following the current pattern. 3K Activity seems too restricted by any means to date for it to be a rank. Now whether the Merit parameter should be 2K or 4K (or else) would be a question of numbers, determining what figure seems reasonable from the get-go, and how many are in the pipeline towards that new Rank. The idea being the Rank to be aspirational, hard to obtain, yet reachable through persistence and presence on the forum.

Note: My premise is that accounts should not be deranked at this stage, but rather, were it the case, create an additional one above.

It wouldn’t be bad if a new rank is added to the forum after the legendary rank, any name suggested for it will be great. But possibility of it happening will be very slim.

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I think OP wants something new in the system that will require the members with airdropped merits to also strive in making merits themselves. Like a merit been gotten from them through their sincere contributions to the forum.

There's no urgency (or real need imho) at all, it's just that some people are taking this forum way too seriously.

So let's say that theymos makes a new rank for reaching 3k merit/activity. Eventually even that will be reached by many members and it won't feel special any more so should he keep adding new ranks just so people have to strive for something?

All members have to work and match with forum rules, rank requirements (which have been changed a few times in forum history) to achieve their ranks. It is just different to get it easy or difficult.

They're really deserved it and in my opinion, a highest rank (new one) should be applied for 10,000+ or 20,000+ merit. No more rank above it so its requirement should be really high.

It is too complicated and makes forum ranks, badges look more messy. I don't support it.

I visited some other forums as a guest and saw their ranks, badges are abundant, unnecessary colorful and messy so I don't think I need it in Bitcointalk.

You are looking at this matter from a completely wrong perspective, because nobody got anything as a gift, not even those 1000 merits. All members who were Legendary rank before the merit system remained at that rank because they got it according to the old rules, and if the merit system had existed before, some of us would have earned it without any doubt.

The only injustice (if we'll call it that) is that some shitposters invested only their time to become Legendary, and today the rules are different and apart from time you have to invest a lot of effort to reach the same rank.

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The new rank is not something that makes too much sense to me, but I think that if such an idea were to come true, it should be awarded to those who, for example, earned over 10 000 merits, because it is still an achievement that is worthy of some kind of award. What I would also suggest to make is some kind of difference between the Legendary rank that is achieved only with airdropped merits and the one that is achieved exclusively with earning merits.

For example :

Legendary (airdropped) remains the same as before.
Legendary achieved without airdropped merits (coin color change).
Legendary who earned over 1000 merits after airdropped merits - maybe call them Legendary Veteran.

I think it's a dud idea.

I've just ticked over 2000 merits - 1000 merits for having done the hard yards over the years and the second 1000 merits for posting what others have thought are meritorious. (And not one "give a leg up to some one close to ranking up" merit).

Yah me.

Of course we don't need a new rank, and it's a given that idiot shitposters will never even get to Hero member status, but we've had this discussion a few times before and there are a sizeable number of people who would support adding a rank above Legendary.

I'm one of those, even though if nothing ever changed with the ranking system I'd be just fine with that.  But just like any other proposal, it doesn't matter what my opinion is--it matters what Theymos thinks of it, and last I heard he wasn't planning on adding any new ranks.

I guess that's true for some ideas, but not for all of them, even ones that had a lot of community support (like having a mobile-friendly version of the site).  I'm also not sure to what extent the moderators are involved in the decision making process with respect to community proposals.  I get the sense that it's kind of a one-man show up on the mountain where Theymos lives.

The admins on this forum may be slow to implement some new ideas and suggestions on this forum, but if it shows that there is interest and support from the forum community, they will eventually accept the suggestions.
How long did some members wait for promotion in merit source? Half a year, a year?
In this forum, things never happen quickly, but they do eventually, if a consensus is reached on something.
I personally think that the time has come to add a new forum rank, for members with 2500 and more merits, and I don't care what that new forum rank would be called.
Members with 2500 merits and more are really members who have contributed a lot to this forum, its reputation and quality, and deserve recognition for that through a new forum rank.

How about just "more Merit than theymos"

I don't expect a new Rank to only include a few users (including theymos), that would be like patting himself on the back and from what I've seen, he doesn't do that.
So if it's going to happen, it won't be ridiculously high.

I know it's a hypothetical situation you're trying to create here but can we also raise the bar for the new rank requirement to say 2,990 merits (or anything that should be above what you already have). You escaped the first cutoff, you shouldn't escape another one 🤔. Again, to tell you the truth, what you're suggesting concerning the legendary rank that were airdropped 1,000 merits will also need to be applied on lower ranks that were airdropped merits too. Don't you now see how confusing it will turn the whole forum? By the way, who is going to devote the time to gather all that data?

If a rank should be added after reaching 1000  merits, I will prefer the rank to be awarded after reaching either 5000 or 10000 merits, but I will prefer 10000 merits which I know would take me more years to achieve.

But merit system is working perfectly which will not make this to be considered.

This would definitely make an interesting rank. Probably requires 5 years since registration, along with like 2000-5000 received merits or something.

The above discussions talk about the name of the rank, as if it was created and we are looking for the name. There are no indications for creating a new rank, and therefore talking about its name or its requirements is a waste of time.
Personally, I see adding a new rank that will increase spam from the previous ranks, because it will get a higher wage.

It is good to have a rank with 2500+ earned merit and 2500+ activities which I can be eligible (of course for other members too).

However as I raised my opinion on this issue, I think having too many ranks is not good (it seems theymos has same opinion on it too) so if there is only one more rank, let's make it as a Lifetime Achievement Rank which should be superb hard to achieve. Like I proposed, let's make it 20,000+ earned merits, not required activities but should be not smaller than required activities for Legendary rank.

Its new rank name can be Elite so we will have an Elite class here

I wouldn't mind a rank called ELITE for those who have earned 2500 merits and have 2500 activity. We should have something for users to strive for even if it is something as small as a new rank. The numbers could even be tweaked but they need to be fairly high as making this rank is an honor IMO. You are the best of the best as far as most would be concerned. 2500 or more "earned" merits is a heck of an achievement as is 2500+ activity.

AI suggested this, I mean LoyceV


But let's take it to the next level, if it is 2000 then we may see them high in numbers so keep the range much more higher and I thought 5000 merits is much deserved to sit above the legendary.