Topic: NEW CIVILIAN TOR Browser + blockchain tech. FROM CHINA! (Read 1574 times)
BiTNET technology seems interesting, although is looks pretty much like Tor. I wonder if it's better than Tor. Might take a look at this when I get home.
What do you mean by "based on the Bitcoin protocol"? I don't quite understand that. Can you go into details on how the DVPN uses Bitcoin to become distributed.
Also, why do you store the credentials on the blockchain and have them change instead of making this network something open to the public that does not require authentication? Something like Tor?
Lastly how does this protect my privacy? Does your network route my data through three different VPNs before it reaches its destination like Tor does? It seems like the only privacy is the data is going through 1 VPN before its destination which opens up the whole thing to privacy and Man-In-The-Middle attacks. That 1 VPN could be malicious and it would know who the user is and where he is going. How do you solve this?
Also, why do you store the credentials on the blockchain and have them change instead of making this network something open to the public that does not require authentication? Something like Tor?
Lastly how does this protect my privacy? Does your network route my data through three different VPNs before it reaches its destination like Tor does? It seems like the only privacy is the data is going through 1 VPN before its destination which opens up the whole thing to privacy and Man-In-The-Middle attacks. That 1 VPN could be malicious and it would know who the user is and where he is going. How do you solve this?
It looks like there is an enormous amount of potential. I have worked with industrial and building automation software most of my career and my wife is a software engineer also. I think the question is if VPNcoin can develop applications and find a market, or if the ideas or just copied for blockchain software projects by firms like IBM or Goldman Sachs ect. It might be best for developers and investors if a company just tried to take over VPNcoin Bitnet.
I have a feeling that this tech has no purpose in the western world but if it can pierce the dragon curtain..... well it could quickly surpass all other altcoins
I agree I think there are many fee based VPN providers in China. There is a lot of competition for bitcoin cash transfer service. What I see in my research so far is interest from many companies from Citi and Goldman to Nasdaq in using the blockchain as a financial settlement and transaction platform. It could also provide payroll or government services and possibly many other services. A good reference to the potential is the statements made recently by Blyth Masters and her investment in bitcoin and blockchain enterprise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZ6WR2R1MnM
What do you mean by "based on the Bitcoin protocol"? I don't quite understand that. Can you go into details on how the DVPN uses Bitcoin to become distributed.
Also, why do you store the credentials on the blockchain and have them change instead of making this network something open to the public that does not require authentication? Something like Tor?
Lastly how does this protect my privacy? Does your network route my data through three different VPNs before it reaches its destination like Tor does? It seems like the only privacy is the data is going through 1 VPN before its destination which opens up the whole thing to privacy and Man-In-The-Middle attacks. That 1 VPN could be malicious and it would know who the user is and where he is going. How do you solve this?
Also, why do you store the credentials on the blockchain and have them change instead of making this network something open to the public that does not require authentication? Something like Tor?
Lastly how does this protect my privacy? Does your network route my data through three different VPNs before it reaches its destination like Tor does? It seems like the only privacy is the data is going through 1 VPN before its destination which opens up the whole thing to privacy and Man-In-The-Middle attacks. That 1 VPN could be malicious and it would know who the user is and where he is going. How do you solve this?
I wonder how fast the Chinese government will shut down bitnet once they discover who is behind it.
Isn't Tor already banned in China?
Isn't Tor already banned in China?
I will wait until it's tested and proven to be secure. Tor has been around for a long time, and most of the vulnerabilities has been exposed by it's huge user base. Who are the people behind this project, and how skilled and experienced are they to take on the likes of the hackers being contracted by these agencies to poke holes in this software?
I usually do not trust VPN's and believe them to be honey traps for these agencies. The only reason most people want to use them, are to hide some illegal actions anyway. The small percentage of people who use them to protect their privacy, is not worth the mention.
These VPN's also attract a lot of attention from these agencies, if they are found to be popular and not hackable. They will concentrate all efforts to hack it, and eventually they crack it, and everyone is exposed.
I take it there is a military tor browser then?
I wonder how fast the Chinese government will shut down bitnet once they discover who is behind it.
Isn't Tor already banned in China?
Isn't Tor already banned in China?
We should add a decentralized poker client in the wallet as well. Also another advantage of using VPN over Tor would be it is "under the rader" atm and probably much less watched by the NSA and CIA right now. Oh and not to mention VPN was made by regular people not government agents like Tor was.
Good idea.
We will consider to do for this.
We should add a decentralized poker client in the wallet as well. Also another advantage of using VPN over Tor would be it is "under the rader" atm and probably much less watched by the NSA and CIA right now. Oh and not to mention VPN was made by regular people not government agents like Tor was.
But TOR is illegal in China, so we did not do that.
So is Bitcoin. Tor must be still doing something right.
Our starting point, It is to allow China and other have network wall's countries's users can freely access to the world's network, no wall, no Block.
In other words, something that is illegal in China, which you've previously said is the problem with Tor.
So we build VPN service into wallet app, It is spread through P2P networks, it is distributed.
Other node use his wallet address as identity to dial VPN.
So, you've taken Tor, an anonymous protocol - that works just fine with bridges for the truly paranoid - and made a 'wallet VPN' that another node uses as an 'identity' to enable a VPN, and 'identify' someone in a way that Tor doesn't.
In other words, if the wallet has some 'special' code in it (just like the Chinese version of Skype does) that backdoor can send lots of lovely information to the exact types of people that the people who would otherwise be using Tor are trying to avoid in China.
I thought Tor was vulnerable due to "Exit node eavesdropping"?
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/06/26/serious-security-understanding-the-p-in-vpn/
http://www.dnaindia.com/scitech/report-the-onion-peeled-how-tor-can-be-de-anonymised-2102060
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/06/25/can-you-trust-tors-exit-nodes/
Interesting articles...
http://www.dnaindia.com/scitech/report-the-onion-peeled-how-tor-can-be-de-anonymised-2102060
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/06/25/can-you-trust-tors-exit-nodes/
Interesting articles...
Tor has certain vulnerabilities yes.
https://newsoffice.mit.edu/2015/tor-vulnerability-0729
This talk about more recent work on Tor Security. Tor isint perfect. Its also vulnerable to man in the middle attack.
It's just very hard to trace back but its not impossible especially with user error. For example its possible for private data to be gathered over Tor if you use js or mishandle the browser.
https://newsoffice.mit.edu/2015/tor-vulnerability-0729
This talk about more recent work on Tor Security. Tor isint perfect. Its also vulnerable to man in the middle attack.
It's just very hard to trace back but its not impossible especially with user error. For example its possible for private data to be gathered over Tor if you use js or mishandle the browser.
Tor is not foolproof, but it is constantly improved.
The three articles Blazin8888 posted have been fixed and have been fixed for a very long time. Tor has been modified so that it will always use https so the exit nodes can't snoop. It has modifications that warn of html5 canvasing and javascript. It blocks javascript from running. Running Tor with default settings is quite secure. It only becomes insecure when users decide to mess around and change things for their convenience.
Of Course, it is vulnerable to traffic analysis. So is every other network in the world. It can be prevented and people are working on it.
What I want to know is how can this project be better than Tor? Does it solve the issues that Tor has found and fixed? Does it solve issues currently in Tor that have not been fixed but are known? Is it as secure?
Silk road was seized by the fbi. I am trying to figure out if this solves the LE problem. Can we truly DECENTRALIZE websites. Keep them out of reach for good.
But that was not Tor's fault. That was operator error. That was Ross Ulbricht failing to have good Operation Security, not Tor failing to do its job. I guarantee you that people will be arrested and sites seized on your network due to the stupidity of the operators, not because the network is broken. Tor is perfectly fine and works as intended.I thought Tor was vulnerable due to "Exit node eavesdropping"?
Tor has certain vulnerabilities yes.
https://newsoffice.mit.edu/2015/tor-vulnerability-0729
This talk about more recent work on Tor Security. Tor isint perfect. Its also vulnerable to man in the middle attack.
It's just very hard to trace back but its not impossible especially with user error. For example its possible for private data to be gathered over Tor if you use js or mishandle the browser.
Silk road was seized by the fbi. I am trying to figure out if this solves the LE problem. Can we truly DECENTRALIZE websites. Keep them out of reach for good.
But that was not Tor's fault. That was operator error. That was Ross Ulbricht failing to have good Operation Security, not Tor failing to do its job. I guarantee you that people will be arrested and sites seized on your network due to the stupidity of the operators, not because the network is broken. Tor is perfectly fine and works as intended.I thought Tor was vulnerable due to "Exit node eavesdropping"?
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/06/26/serious-security-understanding-the-p-in-vpn/
http://www.dnaindia.com/scitech/report-the-onion-peeled-how-tor-can-be-de-anonymised-2102060
https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/06/25/can-you-trust-tors-exit-nodes/
Interesting articles...
Silk road was seized by the fbi. I am trying to figure out if this solves the LE problem. Can we truly DECENTRALIZE websites. Keep them out of reach for good.
But that was not Tor's fault. That was operator error. That was Ross Ulbricht failing to have good Operation Security, not Tor failing to do its job. I guarantee you that people will be arrested and sites seized on your network due to the stupidity of the operators, not because the network is broken. Tor is perfectly fine and works as intended.I thought Tor was vulnerable due to "Exit node eavesdropping"?
Silk road was seized by the fbi. I am trying to figure out if this solves the LE problem. Can we truly DECENTRALIZE websites. Keep them out of reach for good.
But that was not Tor's fault. That was operator error. That was Ross Ulbricht failing to have good Operation Security, not Tor failing to do its job. I guarantee you that people will be arrested and sites seized on your network due to the stupidity of the operators, not because the network is broken. Tor is perfectly fine and works as intended. The implications of this are crazy...we are due for a new Tor as it has been comprimised.
VPNCoin
VPNCoin is the driving force behind Bitnet. It’s the epicenter of the utilities included in the client because the client is first and foremost an alt-coin wallet. It goes deeper than that, though. A decentralized trade market is embedded in Bitnet. Its intrinsic currency is obviously going to be VPNCoin.
Why do you say Tor is compromised ? I think some of the other altcoins have also claimed to make something like this, but doesn't seem most of them were successful enough.
Silk road was seized by the fbi. I am trying to figure out if this solves the LE problem. Can we truly DECENTRALIZE websites. Keep them out of reach for good...or at least make it much more difficult to seize things.
The implications of this are crazy...we are due for a new Tor as it has been comprimised.
VPNCoin
VPNCoin is the driving force behind Bitnet. It’s the epicenter of the utilities included in the client because the client is first and foremost an alt-coin wallet. It goes deeper than that, though. A decentralized trade market is embedded in Bitnet. Its intrinsic currency is obviously going to be VPNCoin.
Why do you say Tor is compromised ? I think some of the other altcoins have also claimed to make something like this, but doesn't seem most of them were successful enough.
我觉得你在的东西....不知道我理解你....我们需要工作我们的营销。
1.是否有内置的钱包一个分散的硬币兑换？ （我们不需要使用其他EXCHANGES了吗？ ） < ---这就是巨大
2.我们可以存储不同的ALT硬币在我们的VPN的钱包？
3.是什么让这个服务的Tor浏览器比任何不同的或更好的，为什么不直接使用Tor这是公认的，具有良好的安全？
4.请问BITNET浏览器来作为独立的客户端最后？
5.请问BITNET Android应用程序已经IRC和加密的语音电话+发短信内置的？
谁使这个最好是很好的教育，在计算机和网络安全。到目前为止， Tor的还没有被破解。加密是健全的，所以是安全的。谁做这个需要确保中国政府和其他审查不能审查该网络。
我看不出这会有什么不同的Tor ？这些都是需要回答一些问题。
English please for everyone else. 1.是否有内置的钱包一个分散的硬币兑换？ （我们不需要使用其他EXCHANGES了吗？ ） < ---这就是巨大
2.我们可以存储不同的ALT硬币在我们的VPN的钱包？
3.是什么让这个服务的Tor浏览器比任何不同的或更好的，为什么不直接使用Tor这是公认的，具有良好的安全？
4.请问BITNET浏览器来作为独立的客户端最后？
5.请问BITNET Android应用程序已经IRC和加密的语音电话+发短信内置的？
谁使这个最好是很好的教育，在计算机和网络安全。到目前为止， Tor的还没有被破解。加密是健全的，所以是安全的。谁做这个需要确保中国政府和其他审查不能审查该网络。
我看不出这会有什么不同的Tor ？这些都是需要回答一些问题。
Can you answer the questions I asked above?
The implications of this are crazy...we are due for a new Tor as it has been comprimised.
The user is able to freely connect to the decentralized P2P VPN network freely through ways they choose. This allows for increased security. The static verification of identity can lead to security breaches, potentially causing the leak of sensitive information. Bitnet verifies the “identity” of its users dynamically through the blockchain, where the ever-changing credentials to log in are securely stored.
All of this information is also completely anonymous. Connection to a VPN node through Bitnet is virtually invisible because this network is decentralized. Once connected, you can see what they see, while nobody else can see you. This VPN is, in ways, the “first civilian TOR.”
Bitnet also enacts a unique domain system with virtually infinite possible combinations. The domain names are as follows: http://(wallet-address) without the parentheses.
Any business or enterprise may set up their own website on Bitnet with the only cost being server utilities. There is no required domain registration fee. Since this is P2P, a business may trade even outside of its regional limitations. This is especially useful in a communist state like China, where censorship is such a problem. You can see what you deem fit, not what the government deems fit for you. The list of applicable uses for Bitnet goes on from P2P instant messaging and phone systems; there’s a plethora of useful feature to choose from.
Bitnet As a Whole
Tor and I2P are two similar projects to Bitnet. However, Tor and I2P receive heavy government and private funding because of their applicable uses in privacy and security. The developers behind Bitnet hope to create the third multi-node, decentralized client of importance.
In this sense, Bitnet really is a civilian implementation of Tor. Unlike the previous two, Bitnet is Chinese. Tor and I2P are American in origin and not necessarily tailored to the needs of people who need decentralized anonymity in the world. Bitnet comes in as a personalized system that can be suited to the needs of the individual user.
VPNCoin
VPNCoin is the driving force behind Bitnet. It’s the epicenter of the utilities included in the client because the client is first and foremost an alt-coin wallet. It goes deeper than that, though. A decentralized trade market is embedded in Bitnet. Its intrinsic currency is obviously going to be VPNCoin.
Most your says are correct,
We can make BitNet support Tor,
But TOR is illegal in China, so we did not do that.
BitNet's P2P VPN service, it is based on microsoft's VPN (Routing and Remote Access) service, only windows server version can provide VPN service.
Our starting point, It is to allow China and other have network wall's countries's users can freely access to the world's network, no wall, no Block.
So we build VPN service into wallet app, It is spread through P2P networks, it is distributed.
Other node use his wallet address as identity to dial VPN.
My english is poor, write these to me is very hard, sorry
我觉得你在的东西....不知道我理解你....我们需要工作我们的营销。
1.是否有内置的钱包一个分散的硬币兑换？ （我们不需要使用其他EXCHANGES了吗？ ） < ---这就是巨大
2.我们可以存储不同的ALT硬币在我们的VPN的钱包？
3.是什么让这个服务的Tor浏览器比任何不同的或更好的，为什么不直接使用Tor这是公认的，具有良好的安全？
4.请问BITNET浏览器来作为独立的客户端最后？
5.请问BITNET Android应用程序已经IRC和加密的语音电话+发短信内置的？
谁使这个最好是很好的教育，在计算机和网络安全。到目前为止， Tor的还没有被破解。加密是健全的，所以是安全的。谁做这个需要确保中国政府和其他审查不能审查该网络。
我看不出这会有什么不同的Tor ？这些都是需要回答一些问题。
(ENGLISH TRANSLATION)
1. Is there a DECENTRALIZED Coin exchange built into the wallet? ( WE DONT NEED TO USE OTHER EXCHANGES ANYMORE?) <---THIS IS HUGE
2. can we store different alt coins in our VPN wallet ?
3. What makes this service any different or better than the Tor browser, why not just use Tor which is well established and has sound security?
4. Will the Bitnet browser come as a standalone client eventually?
5. Will the Bitnet android app have IRC and encrypted voice calls + texting built in?
Dev you should find a friend over there that is fluent in English. These questions need clarification.
The implications of this are crazy...we are due for a new Tor as it has been comprimised.
The user is able to freely connect to the decentralized P2P VPN network freely through ways they choose. This allows for increased security. The static verification of identity can lead to security breaches, potentially causing the leak of sensitive information. Bitnet verifies the “identity” of its users dynamically through the blockchain, where the ever-changing credentials to log in are securely stored.
All of this information is also completely anonymous. Connection to a VPN node through Bitnet is virtually invisible because this network is decentralized. Once connected, you can see what they see, while nobody else can see you. This VPN is, in ways, the “first civilian TOR.”
Bitnet also enacts a unique domain system with virtually infinite possible combinations. The domain names are as follows: http://(wallet-address) without the parentheses.
Any business or enterprise may set up their own website on Bitnet with the only cost being server utilities. There is no required domain registration fee. Since this is P2P, a business may trade even outside of its regional limitations. This is especially useful in a communist state like China, where censorship is such a problem. You can see what you deem fit, not what the government deems fit for you. The list of applicable uses for Bitnet goes on from P2P instant messaging and phone systems; there’s a plethora of useful feature to choose from.
Bitnet As a Whole
Tor and I2P are two similar projects to Bitnet. However, Tor and I2P receive heavy government and private funding because of their applicable uses in privacy and security. The developers behind Bitnet hope to create the third multi-node, decentralized client of importance.
In this sense, Bitnet really is a civilian implementation of Tor. Unlike the previous two, Bitnet is Chinese. Tor and I2P are American in origin and not necessarily tailored to the needs of people who need decentralized anonymity in the world. Bitnet comes in as a personalized system that can be suited to the needs of the individual user.
VPNCoin
VPNCoin is the driving force behind Bitnet. It’s the epicenter of the utilities included in the client because the client is first and foremost an alt-coin wallet. It goes deeper than that, though. A decentralized trade market is embedded in Bitnet. Its intrinsic currency is obviously going to be VPNCoin.
Most your says are correct,
We can make BitNet support Tor,
But TOR is illegal in China, so we did not do that.
BitNet's P2P VPN service, it is based on microsoft's VPN (Routing and Remote Access) service, only windows server version can provide VPN service.
Our starting point, It is to allow China and other have network wall's countries's users can freely access to the world's network, no wall, no Block.
So we build VPN service into wallet app, It is spread through P2P networks, it is distributed.
Other node use his wallet address as identity to dial VPN.
My english is poor, write these to me is very hard, sorry
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