New fiasco Nvidia GeForce RTX 4090 - page 2.

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Quote from: devil2man on November 06, 2022, 12:45:17 PM

nvidia had to do many more tests before launching the 4090 on the market, that cable adapter provided for the additional power is not up to the task so there will always be a risk of fire

they could have done two that were feed by two eight pin connectors.

so four into two which would have likely been better.

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nvidia had to do many more tests before launching the 4090 on the market, that cable adapter provided for the additional power is not up to the task so there will always be a risk of fire

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Quote from: rdluffy on November 06, 2022, 09:01:59 AM

Quote from: philipma1957 on November 05, 2022, 07:51:58 PM

maybe less since smart miners under volt and would likley not have to push more than 375 watts for max hashrate.

Oh yes, it makes sense Cheesy

But can you imagine a rig with 4x 4090 running, suddenly crashes and all 4 cards goes to default settings for several hours Shocked

Hehehe

It happened with me a few times

Yeah that sounds like a fire waiting to happen for sure.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on November 05, 2022, 07:51:58 PM

maybe less since smart miners under volt and would likley not have to push more than 375 watts for max hashrate.

Oh yes, it makes sense Cheesy

But can you imagine a rig with 4x 4090 running, suddenly crashes and all 4 cards goes to default settings for several hours Shocked

Hehehe

It happened with me a few times

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Quote from: rdluffy on November 05, 2022, 04:26:38 PM

Quote from: JayDDee on November 04, 2022, 09:12:36 PM

It gets ~~better~~worse, a PSU ATX3 connector has melted with no adapter. I'm not familiar with the PSU brand, maybe cheap.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-4090-native-16-pin-melting

The PSU was an MSI MPG A1000G, not the best psu available, but not cheap too

Here's more about: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/msi-mpg-a1000g-power-supply-review

1000w of power, certified by Cybenetics with 80 plus gold, only japanese capacitors and 10years warranty.
Definitely it's not a PSU to have a melted cable, it's the perfect pair to be used with a 4090 in my opinion, and this is a reason to be worried

I'm thinking here, can you imagine the number of possible accidents and melted cables with 4090 if mining was good like last year?

maybe less since smart miners under volt and would likley not have to push more than 375 watts for max hashrate.

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Quote from: JayDDee on November 04, 2022, 09:12:36 PM

It gets ~~better~~worse, a PSU ATX3 connector has melted with no adapter. I'm not familiar with the PSU brand, maybe cheap.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-4090-native-16-pin-melting

The PSU was an MSI MPG A1000G, not the best psu available, but not cheap too

Here's more about: https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/msi-mpg-a1000g-power-supply-review

1000w of power, certified by Cybenetics with 80 plus gold, only japanese capacitors and 10years warranty.
Definitely it's not a PSU to have a melted cable, it's the perfect pair to be used with a 4090 in my opinion, and this is a reason to be worried

I'm thinking here, can you imagine the number of possible accidents and melted cables with 4090 if mining was good like last year?

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The pictures were posted by @9550pro who claims to have them from a closed QQ chat group.

The card is clearly a prototype, with a red board design and voltage contact points in some places. What is clear though is that this design matches what AMD has been teasing in late August with three red stripes on the heatsink.

https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-radeon-rx-7900-graphics-card-has-been-pictured-two-8-pin-power-connectors-confirmed

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It gets ~~better~~worse, a PSU ATX3 connector has melted with no adapter. I'm not familiar with the PSU brand, maybe cheap.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/rtx-4090-native-16-pin-melting

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Quote from: FP91G on October 29, 2022, 02:18:50 PM

Quote from: swogerino on October 29, 2022, 05:32:43 AM

I have seen a couple of friends using such adapters and I am always against,I always use 8 Pin PCIE connectors from really good brands in power supply like Corsair or Evga and I rarely use any other brand.I have not had a 3090 myself but several of my friends have and they never had any problems by running them with these standard 8 PCIE connectors from good branded power supplies.
I doubt Nvidia has made any lousy implementation,they are not well known for them,on the contrary they are well known for perfect implementations in most cards.

Even on inexpensive, budget power supplies, I had no problems with the power supply, although I also love Corsair, Cougar and Evga.
Nvidia chose a bad supplier for the adapters, but this does not relieve the company of responsibility. They were obliged to check the quality of the adapters.

well to be nice they can handle 325 watts if not bent.

far cry from 600 rating. but mine are good so far no bends and 325 watts running since august.

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Quote from: swogerino on October 29, 2022, 05:32:43 AM

I have seen a couple of friends using such adapters and I am always against,I always use 8 Pin PCIE connectors from really good brands in power supply like Corsair or Evga and I rarely use any other brand.I have not had a 3090 myself but several of my friends have and they never had any problems by running them with these standard 8 PCIE connectors from good branded power supplies.
I doubt Nvidia has made any lousy implementation,they are not well known for them,on the contrary they are well known for perfect implementations in most cards.

Even on inexpensive, budget power supplies, I had no problems with the power supply, although I also love Corsair, Cougar and Evga.
Nvidia chose a bad supplier for the adapters, but this does not relieve the company of responsibility. They were obliged to check the quality of the adapters.

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Quote from: joseph32 on October 28, 2022, 10:43:39 PM

https://www.igorslab.de/en/adapter-of-the-gray-analyzed-nvidias-brand-hot-12vhpwr-adapter-with-built-in-breakpoint/

The adapter fully analyzed by Igor. You can stop now all speculations.

Edit: Nvidia is briefing board partners now: https://www.igorslab.de/en/adapter-gate-nvidia-briefs-today-early-all-board-partners-and-makes-damage-an-absolute-chief-issue/

Your right, no need to speculate that Nvidia has provided total shit wiring design for their AIB’s to use…. Glad we only listen to such experts instead of us plebs here using common sense and experience.

“ The overall build quality of the included adapter for the GeForce RTX 4090, which is distributed by NVIDIA itself, is extremely poor and the internal construction should never have been approved like this. ”

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What could go wrong when you put 600watts in these tiny 12pin.so will see 24pins on rtx5090 with 900watts tdp Grin

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Quote from: joseph32 on October 28, 2022, 10:43:39 PM

https://www.igorslab.de/en/adapter-of-the-gray-analyzed-nvidias-brand-hot-12vhpwr-adapter-with-built-in-breakpoint/

The adapter fully analyzed by Igor. You can stop now all speculations.

Edit: Nvidia is briefing board partners now: https://www.igorslab.de/en/adapter-gate-nvidia-briefs-today-early-all-board-partners-and-makes-damage-an-absolute-chief-issue/

Well after reading this I am very grateful that I only feed my four 3090ti's 325 watts each on that adapter.

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I have seen a couple of friends using such adapters and I am always against,I always use 8 Pin PCIE connectors from really good brands in power supply like Corsair or Evga and I rarely use any other brand.I have not had a 3090 myself but several of my friends have and they never had any problems by running them with these standard 8 PCIE connectors from good branded power supplies.
I doubt Nvidia has made any lousy implementation,they are not well known for them,on the contrary they are well known for perfect implementations in most cards.

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https://www.igorslab.de/en/adapter-of-the-gray-analyzed-nvidias-brand-hot-12vhpwr-adapter-with-built-in-breakpoint/

The adapter fully analyzed by Igor. You can stop now all speculations.

Edit: Nvidia is briefing board partners now: https://www.igorslab.de/en/adapter-gate-nvidia-briefs-today-early-all-board-partners-and-makes-damage-an-absolute-chief-issue/

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Quote from: philipma1957 on October 27, 2022, 09:48:00 PM

I cant imagine pushing 450 watts to that cable adapter provided.

It's not clear how much OC was involved in these cases so it may have been more but the new connector is supposed to handle up to 600W.

PSU damage could be covered a number of ways. The AIB partners may cover PSU damage to please their customers then try to recover the costs
from Nvidia. End users may file a class action with Nvidia and/or the AIBs. It's unlikely the PSU providers will cover it themselves.

EVGA must be relieved they dumped Nvidia and have avoided this problem.

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Quote from: adaseb on October 27, 2022, 10:08:57 PM

Well at least since the connector adapter melts the PSU is saved pretty much. Because the GPU will be RMAd.

I can’t imagine warranty from another manufacture covering the PSU if it was a faulty GPU which caused it. Would Nvidia warranty also cover the PSU or are you out of luck ? Never had this happen before to know.

The service center will not accept melted connectors on the power supply under warranty and will write an act where it will be denied repair or replacement. In most cases, this is the user's fault. That's why I don't buy top graphics cards, and I read reviews carefully before buying.

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Well at least since the connector adapter melts the PSU is saved pretty much. Because the GPU will be RMAd.

I can’t imagine warranty from another manufacture covering the PSU if it was a faulty GPU which caused it. Would Nvidia warranty also cover the PSU or are you out of luck ? Never had this happen before to know.

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Quote from: philipma1957 on October 27, 2022, 09:48:00 PM

I have 4x evga 3090ti units.

they feed 3 8pin pcies to that cable.

the tdp on the 3090ti is 350 watts

i run them at 325 watts 24/7/365 dual mining zil and etc.

I cant imagine pushing 450 watts to that cable adapter provided.

even 3080ti suprim x uses 3x 8pin pcie, that 4090 uses 12 pin vs 24 pin (3 x 8pin), x2 amount of wires for a lower wattage cards.

worse case scenario is 4xxx series get another refresh before we get to the next gen architecture of GPUs LOL.

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I have 4x evga 3090ti units.

they feed 3 8pin pcies to that cable.

the tdp on the 3090ti is 350 watts

i run them at 325 watts 24/7/365 dual mining zil and etc.

I cant imagine pushing 450 watts to that cable adapter provided.

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