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Quote from: TwitchySeal on October 03, 2020, 01:06:34 PM

Are you trying to bury the issue because you understand my explanation?

Why not just remove the provably fair claims so that players are deceived?

There are NO ANY ISSUE. I have answered your questions. I Will answer more, when I take time.

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Are you trying to bury the issue because you understand my explanation?

Why not just remove the provably fair claims so that players are deceived?

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The important thing to note is that the card deck is shuffled before the game starts and before the player seed is passed and known by the server. This is guaranteed by revealing the server hash. Let's suppose the deck was shuffled or deliberately constructed in favor of the house. After the player starts a new game their seed is passed to the server. The server uses the seed to calculate the shift number (it's described how it's calculated on the provably fair verification page). Then the card deck is cut based on the shift number. The number of cards that will be cut is not known in advance (and can not be predicted without knowing the client seed), thus it's impossible to construct a deck that with any possible shift number would still provide advantage to the house. This makes it useless for the house to try to cheat and initially shuffle the deck in its favor.

No, it's not.

If the deck is constructed so that no A, K, Q, J, or T of the same suit had less than 11 cards between them, with the last card being considered next to the first card - a royal flush would be impossible to hit regardless of the seed the player chooses.\

In order for the game to be provably fair, the player seed needs to effect the initial shuffle - not simply where the pre shuffled deck starts dealing from.

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The layout of the reels is provided in the each Slots game page.

Yeah I already mentioned I found them.

Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 30, 2020, 05:24:30 PM

Thanks. I was able to find the reel layouts, it's good you provide them.

But like in video poker, the player seed is limited in what it can influence since the initial result is generated non transparently.

Maybe an actual example will help you understand.

Here's the result of an initial shuffle, before the players seed is used to determine where to 'cut' the deck:

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D3,C7,S5,S7,HK,DA,C8,S2,DJ,DQ,CA,D7,H3,HT,S6,C2,ST,HA,H9,SA,CT,C3,H7,S3,S4,DT,D8,C4,H6,H5,H2,D2,D5,CJ,S8,D4,D9,SJ,CK,SK,DK,S9,CQ,HQ,H4,C9,C6,H8,C5,D6,HJ,SQ

I color coded the royal flush cards.

You'll notice that no matter where the deck is cut, the player has no chance at being dealt a royal flush.

Can you prove that the the shuffle was not manipulated to make royal flush possibilities happen less often than they should?

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Quote from: bittrafficme on October 01, 2020, 10:26:12 AM

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The important thing to note is that the card deck is shuffled before the game starts and before the player seed is passed and known by the server. This is guaranteed by revealing the server hash. Let's suppose the deck was shuffled or deliberately constructed in favor of the house. After the player starts a new game their seed is passed to the server. The server uses the seed to calculate the shift number (it's described how it's calculated on the provably fair verification page). Then the card deck is cut based on the shift number. The number of cards that will be cut is not known in advance (and can not be predicted without knowing the client seed), thus it's impossible to construct a deck that with any possible shift number would still provide advantage to the house. This makes it useless for the house to try to cheat and initially shuffle the deck in its favor.

No, it's not.

If the deck is constructed so that no A, K, Q, J, or T of the same suit had less than 11 cards between them, with the last card being considered next to the first card - a royal flush would be impossible to hit regardless of the seed the player chooses.\

In order for the game to be provably fair, the player seed needs to effect the initial shuffle - not simply where the pre shuffled deck starts dealing from.

Quote from: bittrafficme on October 01, 2020, 10:26:12 AM

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The layout of the reels is provided in the each Slots game page.

Yeah I already mentioned I found them.

Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 30, 2020, 05:24:30 PM

Thanks. I was able to find the reel layouts, it's good you provide them.

But like in video poker, the player seed is limited in what it can influence since the initial result is generated non transparently.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 26, 2020, 03:36:11 PM

Hi,

It seems many of your games that are labeled as provably fair are not actually provably fair.

For example with card games, the only thing being proven is that the starting card of a pre shuffled deck is influenced by the player seed. The actual shuffle is happening 100% on your end without transparency.

The deck could easily be stacked in a way that gives the house a greater edge than one that was shuffled in a provably fair way. For example, in video poker, there's nothing preventing you checking to make sure that the Ace and King of each suit always has more than 8 cards separating them, which would make it impossible for a player to hit a royal flush.

Answer
The important thing to note is that the card deck is shuffled before the game starts and before the player seed is passed and known by the server. This is guaranteed by revealing the server hash. Let's suppose the deck was shuffled or deliberately constructed in favor of the house. After the player starts a new game their seed is passed to the server. The server uses the seed to calculate the shift number (it's described how it's calculated on the provably fair verification page). Then the card deck is cut based on the shift number. The number of cards that will be cut is not known in advance (and can not be predicted without knowing the client seed), thus it's impossible to construct a deck that with any possible shift number would still provide advantage to the house. This makes it useless for the house to try to cheat and initially shuffle the deck in its favor.

Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 26, 2020, 03:36:11 PM

And I can't find any real layouts for your slots (maybe I'm missing them somewhere). If you're not providing reel layouts though, you're not really proving anything.

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The layout of the reels is provided in the each Slots game page.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 27, 2020, 03:02:23 AM

Those screen shots I posted are from your game info pages.

Where are the reel layouts for slots?

How can you prove your card games are fair when the server generates the 'randomly shuffled deck' on it's own?

Hi,
on each game page, you will find info symbol. When clicked, you will see ID and hash.
After the game, check in detail on the Account > Transactions> Transaction ID > Verify

The same on card games and all games at all.

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Thanks. I was able to find the reel layouts, it's good you provide them.

So the way you're determining the result in slots and video poker is by generating a result, hashing and providing that to the player for later verification, and then taking the player seed to mutate it into the final result.

The problem is that there's no way to prove to the player that you aren't intentionally manipulating the initial result before hashing it and providing it to the player.

The video poker example is the easiest to grasp:

In order for the player to have a chance at hitting a royal flush, there needs to be 5 royal flush cards spanning no more than 10 cards in the initial 'shuffle'. If there aren't, the player has a 0% chance of hitting a royal flush no matter where they 'cut' the deck.

You could be checking each generated result to see if 5 royal cards are close enough and, if they are, generate a new one and replace it, and the player would never know. As long as this is the case, your game isn't provably fair.

Does that make sense?

Seems you intend to just ignore and hope this goes away. Bad idea.
Now that you're aware that your games aren't provably fair, you're intentionally deceiving players by leaving the provably fair claims up.

Why not just take them down and be honest about the whole thing?

Hi, i don't understand what kind of problem you find. I have already said that all games are conscientious and verifiable. Game developers have no intention of creating games that would be dishonest. Game developers make money by creating games well. Sign up and try free https://coins777.com

It's not a matter of whether players are being cheated or what the software developers intentions are. If you can't prove that the games are fair, you shouldn't tell people they are provably fair.

Think about the example I provided:

Using your system, you could cheat players by making sure that no deck is used that contains 5 royal cards within 10 cards of each other, and the player would never know. Therefore, it's not provably fair.

I'm not saying you are cheating players. I'm not saying you will cheat them in the future. I'm not even saying you have the technical knowledge to cheat cheat them. All I'm saying is that if you did cheat players, players wouldn't be able to prove it.

So don't tell players the games are provably fair, because they aren't.

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Quote from: bittrafficme on September 30, 2020, 03:09:28 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 28, 2020, 09:07:04 PM

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Quote from: bittrafficme on September 27, 2020, 04:02:19 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 27, 2020, 03:02:23 AM

Those screen shots I posted are from your game info pages.

Where are the reel layouts for slots?

How can you prove your card games are fair when the server generates the 'randomly shuffled deck' on it's own?

Hi,
on each game page, you will find info symbol. When clicked, you will see ID and hash.
After the game, check in detail on the Account > Transactions> Transaction ID > Verify

The same on card games and all games at all.

https://coins777.com

Thanks. I was able to find the reel layouts, it's good you provide them.

So the way you're determining the result in slots and video poker is by generating a result, hashing and providing that to the player for later verification, and then taking the player seed to mutate it into the final result.

The problem is that there's no way to prove to the player that you aren't intentionally manipulating the initial result before hashing it and providing it to the player.

The video poker example is the easiest to grasp:

In order for the player to have a chance at hitting a royal flush, there needs to be 5 royal flush cards spanning no more than 10 cards in the initial 'shuffle'. If there aren't, the player has a 0% chance of hitting a royal flush no matter where they 'cut' the deck.

You could be checking each generated result to see if 5 royal cards are close enough and, if they are, generate a new one and replace it, and the player would never know. As long as this is the case, your game isn't provably fair.

Does that make sense?

Seems you intend to just ignore and hope this goes away. Bad idea.
Now that you're aware that your games aren't provably fair, you're intentionally deceiving players by leaving the provably fair claims up.

Why not just take them down and be honest about the whole thing?

Hi, i don't understand what kind of problem you find. I have already said that all games are conscientious and verifiable. Game developers have no intention of creating games that would be dishonest. Game developers make money by creating games well. Sign up and try free https://coins777.com

It's not a matter of whether players are being cheated or what the software developers intentions are. If you can't prove that the games are fair, you shouldn't tell people they are provably fair.

Think about the example I provided:

Using your system, you could cheat players by making sure that no deck is used that contains 5 royal cards within 10 cards of each other, and the player would never know. Therefore, it's not provably fair.

I'm not saying you are cheating players. I'm not saying you will cheat them in the future. I'm not even saying you have the technical knowledge to cheat cheat them. All I'm saying is that if you did cheat players, players wouldn't be able to prove it.

So don't tell players the games are provably fair, because they aren't.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 28, 2020, 09:07:04 PM

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Quote from: bittrafficme on September 27, 2020, 04:02:19 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 27, 2020, 03:02:23 AM

Those screen shots I posted are from your game info pages.

Where are the reel layouts for slots?

How can you prove your card games are fair when the server generates the 'randomly shuffled deck' on it's own?

Hi,
on each game page, you will find info symbol. When clicked, you will see ID and hash.
After the game, check in detail on the Account > Transactions> Transaction ID > Verify

The same on card games and all games at all.

https://coins777.com

Thanks. I was able to find the reel layouts, it's good you provide them.

So the way you're determining the result in slots and video poker is by generating a result, hashing and providing that to the player for later verification, and then taking the player seed to mutate it into the final result.

The problem is that there's no way to prove to the player that you aren't intentionally manipulating the initial result before hashing it and providing it to the player.

The video poker example is the easiest to grasp:

In order for the player to have a chance at hitting a royal flush, there needs to be 5 royal flush cards spanning no more than 10 cards in the initial 'shuffle'. If there aren't, the player has a 0% chance of hitting a royal flush no matter where they 'cut' the deck.

You could be checking each generated result to see if 5 royal cards are close enough and, if they are, generate a new one and replace it, and the player would never know. As long as this is the case, your game isn't provably fair.

Does that make sense?

Seems you intend to just ignore and hope this goes away. Bad idea.
Now that you're aware that your games aren't provably fair, you're intentionally deceiving players by leaving the provably fair claims up.

Why not just take them down and be honest about the whole thing?

Hi, i don't understand what kind of problem you find. I have already said that all games are conscientious and verifiable. Game developers have no intention of creating games that would be dishonest. Game developers make money by creating games well. Sign up and try free https://coins777.com

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Quote from: bittrafficme on September 27, 2020, 04:02:19 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 27, 2020, 03:02:23 AM

Those screen shots I posted are from your game info pages.

Where are the reel layouts for slots?

How can you prove your card games are fair when the server generates the 'randomly shuffled deck' on it's own?

Hi,
on each game page, you will find info symbol. When clicked, you will see ID and hash.
After the game, check in detail on the Account > Transactions> Transaction ID > Verify

The same on card games and all games at all.

https://coins777.com

Thanks. I was able to find the reel layouts, it's good you provide them.

So the way you're determining the result in slots and video poker is by generating a result, hashing and providing that to the player for later verification, and then taking the player seed to mutate it into the final result.

The problem is that there's no way to prove to the player that you aren't intentionally manipulating the initial result before hashing it and providing it to the player.

The video poker example is the easiest to grasp:

In order for the player to have a chance at hitting a royal flush, there needs to be 5 royal flush cards spanning no more than 10 cards in the initial 'shuffle'. If there aren't, the player has a 0% chance of hitting a royal flush no matter where they 'cut' the deck.

You could be checking each generated result to see if 5 royal cards are close enough and, if they are, generate a new one and replace it, and the player would never know. As long as this is the case, your game isn't provably fair.

Does that make sense?

Seems you intend to just ignore and hope this goes away. Bad idea.
Now that you're aware that your games aren't provably fair, you're intentionally deceiving players by leaving the provably fair claims up.

Why not just take them down and be honest about the whole thing?

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 27, 2020, 03:02:23 AM

Those screen shots I posted are from your game info pages.

Where are the reel layouts for slots?

How can you prove your card games are fair when the server generates the 'randomly shuffled deck' on it's own?

Hi,
on each game page, you will find info symbol. When clicked, you will see ID and hash.
After the game, check in detail on the Account > Transactions> Transaction ID > Verify

The same on card games and all games at all.

https://coins777.com

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 26, 2020, 03:36:11 PM

Hi,

It seems many of your games that are labeled as provably fair are not actually provably fair.

For example with card games, the only thing being proven is that the starting card of a pre shuffled deck is influenced by the player seed. The actual shuffle is happening 100% on your end without transparency.

The deck could easily be stacked in a way that gives the house a greater edge than one that was shuffled in a provably fair way. For example, in video poker, there's nothing preventing you checking to make sure that the Ace and King of each suit always has more than 8 cards separating them, which would make it impossible for a player to hit a royal flush.

And I can't find any real layouts for your slots (maybe I'm missing them somewhere). If you're not providing reel layouts though, you're not really proving anything.

you are talking some fantasies. All games are 100% provably fair. More infoin game info pages: https://blog.coins777.com/games

Those screen shots I posted are from your game info pages.

Where are the reel layouts for slots?

How can you prove your card games are fair when the server generates the 'randomly shuffled deck' on it's own?

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on September 26, 2020, 03:36:11 PM

Hi,

It seems many of your games that are labeled as provably fair are not actually provably fair.

For example with card games, the only thing being proven is that the starting card of a pre shuffled deck is influenced by the player seed. The actual shuffle is happening 100% on your end without transparency.

The deck could easily be stacked in a way that gives the house a greater edge than one that was shuffled in a provably fair way. For example, in video poker, there's nothing preventing you checking to make sure that the Ace and King of each suit always has more than 8 cards separating them, which would make it impossible for a player to hit a royal flush.

And I can't find any real layouts for your slots (maybe I'm missing them somewhere). If you're not providing reel layouts though, you're not really proving anything.

you are talking some fantasies. All games are 100% provably fair. More infoin game info pages: https://blog.coins777.com/games

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Hi,

It seems many of your games that are labeled as provably fair are not actually provably fair.

For example with card games, the only thing being proven is that the starting card of a pre shuffled deck is influenced by the player seed. The actual shuffle is happening 100% on your end without transparency.

The deck could easily be stacked in a way that gives the house a greater edge than one that was shuffled in a provably fair way. For example, in video poker, there's nothing preventing you checking to make sure that the Ace and King of each suit always has more than 8 cards separating them, which would make it impossible for a player to hit a royal flush.

And I can't find any real layouts for your slots (maybe I'm missing them somewhere). If you're not providing reel layouts though, you're not really proving anything.

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