New HW wallet announced: COLDCARD Q1

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I just noticed that Coldcard announced a new firmware update for the Q model.

One point in the release notes caught my attention. It says:

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- Sparrow wallet export will always be BBQr now.

I remembered that dkbit98 and the Foundation Passport representative talked about how Coldcard developed a new QR system that was different from what competitors were using and unsupported by software wallets.
Now we know that Sparrow Wallet supports this new standard. Proof of that can be found in their release notes for version 1.8.3:

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Coldcard Q1 support (with BBQr)

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Nunchuk has now become the second software wallet that I know of that supports the new BBQR encoding standard.

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• Added support for BBQR (QR encoding for the Coldcard Q)

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Quote from: zherbert on March 03, 2024, 12:02:02 PM

https://x.com/zachherbert/status/1728077006745542860?s=20

NVK always have the need to invent the wheel all over again, maybe he is hoping to sell more devices now, and other people can deal with new QR code system later Roll Eyes

If he didn't live in his small eco chamber and block all the people in social media and everywhere else, he could actually hear other developers of software wallets and actual users.
Good luck everyone who took his bait and purchased his new gigantic q1 device Tongue

Jus sayin.

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Quote from: DaveF on March 11, 2024, 12:34:57 PM

So over a year and still not firm ETA of getting this into customers hands. Just next week for some and 'soon' for others.

I believe them when they say they have plenty of backorders to process. If it's a small team doing that, it's going to take a while.

Quote from: DaveF on March 11, 2024, 12:34:57 PM

I really used to like them and their products.

I can't comment on the build quality of their hardware. It looks good on first sight. Their decisions are questionable, though. dkbit98 mentioned that they created a unique QR code format that is not supported by other software wallets. I later saw what I believe is his source for that information. The team behind Foundation Devices made a post at the end of 2023, announcing that the new Coldcard would have that unusual QR system. It's weird business politics doing things completely different from everyone else and not using proven and well-supported formats. But it's their call, and they'll have to live with that and the aftermath.

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Quote from: Pmalek on March 10, 2024, 01:40:59 PM

Coldcard has announced that they will start shipping the Q1 preorders from next week. In their own words, they have a huge backlog of orders to go through. They have also announced that it might take several months to ship everything. So, if you ordered a Coldcard Q1, check the email connected to the purchase regularly because they will email customers when their orders are ready to be sent.

https://twitter.com/COLDCARDwallet/status/1766864339527413819

So over a year and still not firm ETA of getting this into customers hands. Just next week for some and 'soon' for others.
I really used to like them and their products. But, I have no idea were they are going in terms of a company.

Lets see how the Q1 really is in person once it gets into peoples hands.

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Coldcard has announced that they will start shipping the Q1 preorders from next week. In their own words, they have a huge backlog of orders to go through. They have also announced that it might take several months to ship everything. So, if you ordered a Coldcard Q1, check the email connected to the purchase regularly because they will email customers when their orders are ready to be sent.

https://twitter.com/COLDCARDwallet/status/1766864339527413819

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Quote from: zherbert on March 03, 2024, 12:02:02 PM

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Thanks for sharing this.

I need a second HW cosigner for my multisig wallet based on Sparrow coordinator. My Passport 2 is the first cosigner and I considered COLDCARD Q1 as one of a number of potential second cosigner but after reading your info took this device off the list candidates. Probably will turn my look to Jade or something else.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on March 01, 2024, 06:28:00 PM

Done ''right'' but in reality unusable.
Everyone else is using BC-UR standard, but nvk had to invent wheel again just so he could brag in social media.

I have only found two reviews of the new Q1 on YouTube. Both are by BTC Sessions. The first one is the video I already shared, where he connected his Coldcard to Nunchuk via NFC. The second one is with the Sparrow wallet, where he imports his public keys via USB. It's kind of weird to do that if it's supposed to be an airgapped signing device. I haven't seen any videos so far where anyone is using QR codes. Are you absolutely sure that no software wallets can read the QR standard that the Q1 is using? Have you seen complaints by people that would suggest that?

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Quote from: Pmalek on March 01, 2024, 04:51:22 AM

Those are animated QRs, right? What do you mean not supported? Does that mean there is currently no popular software wallet capable of reading the QRs that the Q1 generates? Can I ask the source for this information?

Done ''right'' but in reality unusable.
Everyone else is using BC-UR standard, but nvk had to invent wheel again just so he could brag in social media... ™ Tongue

Quote from: satscraper on March 01, 2024, 05:02:24 AM

They wanted a qwerty keyboard to be accessible at the wallet's routine but I think, they could make it to be attachable to the wallet with the small form factor and kill two birds with one stone. Besides , users could attach to such device their own portable keyboard. What do you think about this?

I don't think we need full size keyboards for any hardware wallets, they could compromise security, and think it would not work correctly.
If I wanted to bring a something like that I would just bring my laptop, it's probably easier (to use) than c0ldcard Q Cheesy

Quote from: SFR10 on March 01, 2024, 02:27:08 PM

I agree, but considering that they have a history of selling overpriced products ^{[e.g. blockclock series]}, we shouldn't expect more from them.

I dont expect anything from nvk, especially after very long presale period, but I guess he is living from this business.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on February 29, 2024, 05:19:01 PM

After watching this video I can confidently say that this is one of the worst looking hardware wallets I ever saw... it's huge and wider than his smartphone Cheesy

Quote from: dkbit98 on February 29, 2024, 05:19:01 PM

Coldcard added BBQR code format that is not supported in any software wallets... and they say it was done right Tongue

I couldn't find the culprit behind its incompatibility with wallets that can scan animated QR codes ^{[e.g. AFAICR, Bluewallet was one of them]}... Did any of the influencers who received their Q1 ^{[or rather Q]} devices, report having issues with them?

Quote from: dkbit98 on February 29, 2024, 05:19:01 PM

Paying $199 for this device without batteries and USB cable included is a waste of money.

I agree, but considering that they have a history of selling overpriced products ^{[e.g. blockclock series]}, we shouldn't expect more from them.

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Quote from: Pmalek on March 01, 2024, 05:21:52 AM

Quote from: satscraper on March 01, 2024, 05:02:24 AM

They wanted qwerty keyboard to be accessible at the wallet's routine but I think, they could make it to be attachable to the wallet with the small form factor and kill two birds with one stone. Besides , used could attach to such device his own portable keyboard. What do you think about this?

That would put in jeopardy the airgapped nature of the hardware wallet. A keyboard like that could, in theory, have malware. It could log your keystrokes, save them internally, and wait for an opportunity to broadcast that data if it ever gets connected to an online device. Nowadays, it could even be equipped with its own network and either upload or download data from a connected device. Being too worried about these things isn't healthy, but neither is not caring at all.

Oh, yeah, you are correct, The 3^rd party portable keyboard could potentially threaten the wallet. But they could design their own attachable keyboard and sell it bundled with wallet itself. Besides, such attachable keyboard could be sold as a spare part of the wallet because buttons have a tendency to fail passively.

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Quote from: satscraper on March 01, 2024, 05:02:24 AM

They wanted qwerty keyboard to be accessible at the wallet's routine but I think, they could make it to be attachable to the wallet with the small form factor and kill two birds with one stone. Besides , used could attach to such device his own portable keyboard. What do you think about this?

That would put in jeopardy the airgapped nature of the hardware wallet. A keyboard like that could, in theory, have malware. It could log your keystrokes, save them internally, and wait for an opportunity to broadcast that data if it ever gets connected to an online device. Nowadays, it could even be equipped with its own network and either upload or download data from a connected device. Being too worried about these things isn't healthy, but neither is not caring at all.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on February 29, 2024, 05:19:01 PM

After watching this video I can confidently say that this is one of the worst looking hardware wallets I ever saw... it's huge and wider than his smartphone Cheesy

They wanted a qwerty keyboard to be accessible at the wallet's routine but I think, they could make it to be attachable to the wallet with the small form factor and kill two birds with one stone. Besides , users could attach to such device their own portable keyboard. What do you think about this?

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Quote from: dkbit98 on February 29, 2024, 05:19:01 PM

I like BTCSession and he is making very good videos, but colcard and nvk are one of his sponsors Tongue

The dude has a lot of them, I wouldn't be surprised if Coldcard is on that list. I never pay attention to the first minute or two of his videos and jump forward when the real content begins.

Quote from: dkbit98 on February 29, 2024, 05:19:01 PM

After watching this video I can confidently say that this is one of the worst looking hardware wallets I ever saw... it's huge and wider than his smartphone Cheesy

The size is too big, but I don't care about the shape of it. That is, if I wanted to buy one, its wide calculator body and the many buttons wouldn't be the thing that would stop me. Unless it's a dildo-form, I don't care.

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Coldcard added BBQR code format that is not supported in any software wallets... and they say it was done right Tongue

Those are animated QRs, right? What do you mean not supported? Does that mean there is currently no popular software wallet capable of reading the QRs that the Q1 generates? Can I ask the source for this information?

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Quote from: Pmalek on February 27, 2024, 04:59:20 PM

Ben from BTCSessions has created a video review for the upcoming Coldcard Q hardware wallet. The video shows how to set up the wallet when you first get it, how to backup and recover a wallet, how to pair it to the Nunchuk mobile wallet via NFC, the process of exporting the public keys, how to receive and send transactions, etc.

I like BTCSession and he is making very good videos, but colcard and nvk are one of his sponsors Tongue

After watching this video I can confidently say that this is one of the worst looking hardware wallets I ever saw... it's huge and wider than his smartphone Cheesy

Coldcard added BBQR code format that is not supported in any software wallets... and they say it was done right Tongue

Paying $199 for this device without batteries and USB cable included is a waste of money.

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Ben from BTCSessions has created a video review for the upcoming Coldcard Q hardware wallet. The video shows how to set up the wallet when you first get it, how to backup and recover a wallet, how to pair it to the Nunchuk mobile wallet via NFC, the process of exporting the public keys, how to receive and send transactions, etc.

You can watch the video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNjJ0AuxgHs

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Quote from: SFR10 on February 09, 2024, 08:05:37 AM

They mentioned in one of their replies "they have to keep it till it ships", but on an older post, they pointed to the automated data blanking happening "120 days after the shipping process has taken place"!

The last paragraph on that image is the most important one. Although Coinkite might be deleting the data just like they say they do, their partners and 3rd-parties do things differently and probably don't take such actions. It's also worth asking how much of their work and processes is Coinkite outsourcing to 3rd-parties? Remember the Trezor hack from not that long ago. It was caused by Trezor outsourcing their customer support platform to an outside party, which then got hacked, leaking the data that it kept.

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Quote from: dkbit98 on February 09, 2024, 01:42:47 PM

He also released a short video presentation for new Coldcard Q1 if you didn't see it already, but it's so big and ugly for a hardware wallet.
https://twitter.com/COLDCARDwallet/status/1755639690357510485

Watching this presentation I have noticed the laser-based QR scanner implemented by Coldcard Q1. It seems to be the innovative feature never employed by any known HW if I'm not mistaken. Laser scanner should increase reader's resolution and as a result improve device performance when pairing and signing transaction via QR code.

Probably, I will buy Q1 when available.

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Quote from: DaveF on February 08, 2024, 08:06:33 PM

And a year after they started taking pre-orders

Don't worry, it's guaranteed to happen for next year also Wink

Quote from: DaveF on February 08, 2024, 08:06:33 PM

So still no ship date but at least it looks like they are producing something.

He also released a short video presentation for new Coldcard Q1 if you didn't see it already, but it's so big and ugly for a hardware wallet.
https://twitter.com/COLDCARDwallet/status/1755639690357510485

Quote from: DaveF on February 08, 2024, 08:06:33 PM

Also, makes you wonder if you did order one, and they are claiming they don't retain customer data for that long, how & where did they keep all the info from the orders?

Very good point Cheesy

This is probably just email address for start, but did they really publicly say they don't retain any customer data?

Quote from: SFR10 on February 09, 2024, 08:05:37 AM

They mentioned in one of their replies "they have to keep it till it ships", but on an older post, they pointed to the automated data blanking happening "120 days after the shipping process has taken place"!

Nothing is fixed in stone for coldcard.
One day they can be open source, than not anymore. Tongue

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Quote from: SFR10 on February 09, 2024, 08:05:37 AM

Quote from: DaveF on February 08, 2024, 08:06:33 PM

Also, makes you wonder if you did order one, and they are claiming they don't retain customer data for that long, how & where did they keep all the info from the orders?

They mentioned in one of their replies "they have to keep it till it ships", but on an older post, they pointed to the automated data blanking happening "120 days after the shipping process has taken place"!

Which was kind of the point I was making when I was too tired to put it properly.
They now have your info for over a year if you were one of the people who ordered early.

Add in another Huh

amount of time till it ships and then 120 days it's probably over a year and a 1/2 they are sitting on your info.

Using the 'ship to a PO box' or other location means that you have now had to keep that address for a while instead of going to another shipping location.

-Dave

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