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May 02, 2014, 11:34:11 AM
The reason customers are not posting helpful information about mining, wiring, software and researching how to get these things to work well with the other on this forum is that AMT has been dodging us and not helping us with our problems. If you want to cut the crap, address the problems with people not getting their miners, parts, boards etc.. How can we help each other if we have no working equipment. Believe me, I want to work together with everyone to get the technical problems fixed, and we can all start to mine bitcoins finally.  We are given no choice but to continue to post about non-technical issues. Once the non-technical issues are resolved, this board will be a much better place and AMT will be in a better position to sell chips, miners, hosting etc.

This forum for better or worse is a marketing gateway to profitability for businesses looking to sell miners. The validation from the community is what can make or break this business. It certainly puts the power in the consumers hands to determine the fate of these companies. AMT needs this forum at this point to survive. They COULD turn it around with a bit of work and some good will/faith efforts to help users out. That would go a long way towards establishing what is already a pretty tarnished reputation. Everyone here is dealing with something or other as a result of this. We all just want results. For those with miners, some of us got duds....some of us got partially working duds, and the truly lucky ones got actual working hardware. But AMT is saying they got something coming to address these problems. Let's hope this happens. At this point its fair that people are skeptical and just want what they paid for or their money back. That is just a normal reaction to lack of communication.


I think you overestimate the importance of this forum. I think it contributes somewhat to sales but I think that its relatively small fry to what these companies are doing in overall unit sales (note I didn't say deliveries)

And yet a number of companies are already on the verge of going under or are dealing with numerous issues legal and otherwise as a result of feedback and reactions to alot of the issues people are having in this very forum. For larger companies this may not be the case. And the ones that have their own forums like BFL seem to be doing better despite their practices, but the ones that rely on this forum as their means to communicate with the community are the ones that can be made or broken here. Its basically putting their eggs in one basket.
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May 02, 2014, 10:59:45 AM
The reason customers are not posting helpful information about mining, wiring, software and researching how to get these things to work well with the other on this forum is that AMT has been dodging us and not helping us with our problems. If you want to cut the crap, address the problems with people not getting their miners, parts, boards etc.. How can we help each other if we have no working equipment. Believe me, I want to work together with everyone to get the technical problems fixed, and we can all start to mine bitcoins finally.  We are given no choice but to continue to post about non-technical issues. Once the non-technical issues are resolved, this board will be a much better place and AMT will be in a better position to sell chips, miners, hosting etc.

This forum for better or worse is a marketing gateway to profitability for businesses looking to sell miners. The validation from the community is what can make or break this business. It certainly puts the power in the consumers hands to determine the fate of these companies. AMT needs this forum at this point to survive. They COULD turn it around with a bit of work and some good will/faith efforts to help users out. That would go a long way towards establishing what is already a pretty tarnished reputation. Everyone here is dealing with something or other as a result of this. We all just want results. For those with miners, some of us got duds....some of us got partially working duds, and the truly lucky ones got actual working hardware. But AMT is saying they got something coming to address these problems. Let's hope this happens. At this point its fair that people are skeptical and just want what they paid for or their money back. That is just a normal reaction to lack of communication.


I think you overestimate the importance of this forum. I think it contributes somewhat to sales but I think that its relatively small fry to what these companies are doing in overall unit sales (note I didn't say deliveries)
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May 02, 2014, 10:51:49 AM
The reason customers are not posting helpful information about mining, wiring, software and researching how to get these things to work well with the other on this forum is that AMT has been dodging us and not helping us with our problems. If you want to cut the crap, address the problems with people not getting their miners, parts, boards etc.. How can we help each other if we have no working equipment. Believe me, I want to work together with everyone to get the technical problems fixed, and we can all start to mine bitcoins finally.  We are given no choice but to continue to post about non-technical issues. Once the non-technical issues are resolved, this board will be a much better place and AMT will be in a better position to sell chips, miners, hosting etc.

This forum for better or worse is a marketing gateway to profitability for businesses looking to sell miners. The validation from the community is what can make or break this business. It certainly puts the power in the consumers hands to determine the fate of these companies. AMT needs this forum at this point to survive. They COULD turn it around with a bit of work and some good will/faith efforts to help users out. That would go a long way towards establishing what is already a pretty tarnished reputation. Everyone here is dealing with something or other as a result of this. We all just want results. For those with miners, some of us got duds....some of us got partially working duds, and the truly lucky ones got actual working hardware. But AMT is saying they got something coming to address these problems. Let's hope this happens. At this point its fair that people are skeptical and just want what they paid for or their money back. That is just a normal reaction to lack of communication.



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May 02, 2014, 10:50:18 AM

So do ours.



Cool. Considering I am one of those who signed up for the DIY kit I'll take 3 of those - WITH the heatsinks/fans of course - and be happy to call my order fulfilled. I even have a Raspi if needed to feed the USB port the boards use. Don't need a PSU as I have several that will work fine.
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May 02, 2014, 10:18:57 AM
The reason customers are not posting helpful information about mining, wiring, software and researching how to get these things to work well with the other on this forum is that AMT has been dodging us and not helping us with our problems. If you want to cut the crap, address the problems with people not getting their miners, parts, boards etc.. How can we help each other if we have no working equipment. Believe me, I want to work together with everyone to get the technical problems fixed, and we can all start to mine bitcoins finally.  We are given no choice but to continue to post about non-technical issues. Once the non-technical issues are resolved, this board will be a much better place and AMT will be in a better position to sell chips, miners, hosting etc.
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May 02, 2014, 10:12:21 AM
We're not gone, nor moving out right away. We're not running away with anyone's payment either. We've said numerous times that we're working on a upgrade/refund options for all of our clients, as such it requires a complete audit of the company's finances (needed for discovery during the litigation's investigative process anyway) and we're also restructuring of our current business model all together, gearing up to offer hosting as well hardware soon.

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You know, I feel like Charlie Brown.  I keep trying to kick the football and play the game with you (e.g., believe you are legit and really are trying to deliver on your promises) and then Lucy yanks the ball away at the last minute (you are Lucy in this analogy).  There are folks on this forum who could be (or at least could have been) your strong supporters, but when you do that to us time and again, at some point we lose trust and faith in you.  

I know AMT was attacked early on by a handful of haters.  That doesn't however justify treating **all** of your customers like enemies.

In another thread, long ago after your first missed shipment dates, I asked you in private e-mail and in public on this forum, to please just come clean with what is going on and give us regular updates and honest answers about the problems, delays, obstacles as soon as you know of them (not months later when you are so desperate that you have to ship non-working parts to customers who then have to attempt fixes themselves).   Repeating myself: that is not just a friendly request but it your obligation under the FTC Mail Order Rule when you failed to meet you stated shipment date.  And its really just good business practice.

Since you never followed that advice, you now find yourself in a position where even people like me who believed in you and defended you, start to question whether you are legit.  Why would you not just post on this forum that you were moving and would be unable to post for a few days?  Why would you not tell us what is going on long ago?  It is obvious now to me that you never could have met the February/early March delivery dates yo you promised, and you would have known that long before February.  Did you string us along just to get more orders?  Or like BFL did you have an unexpected and sudden problem you needed to solve?  Or did you outsource and have problems with your contractor(s)?  Or is the whole thing a scam?

See, we don't know because you don't tell us.  Not telling us leads us to believe the worst in you, rather than the best.

We ignored the naysayers, and now we appear to be just schmucks who didn't heed their shrill but accurate warnings.

Ironically BFL seems to have learned the same lesson but it has recovered some degree of credibility (at least in the minds of many customers) by providing weekly updates, and honest assessments of problems, and real and credible compensation.  They are still way off schedule, but there are now a core of customers (including myself) who might just buy from them again.

If you are really trying to make AMT into a business, and are not just scamming us, here is what you should consider doing:

(1) Provide very regular updates on the status of deliveries (what order numbers shipped and when they were shipped, with tracking numbers, at a minimum); the status, plan and timeline for fixing the myriad of inventory shortages, manpower shortages, design flaws, and whatever else is preventing deliveries of working miners; and how you are implementing your promised compensation package.

(2) If you have determined that you cannot make a viable 1.2 Th/s miner with your current design using A1 chips, and a design that can operate profitably at current difficulty, (which may be the case, as it seems the A1 chip was not as good as was spec'd), then tell us what you plan to do for us given your failure.  I am not talking about assigning blame, I mean that if that is the case you should work with those of us who have tried to work with you to come up with the best and fairest plan possible, in a bad situation.

(3) Stop making promises that you can't keep and statements that are at best exaggerations (refund check is in the mail; your units will ship tomorrow; we are on track for delivery; we have delivered/are delivery; we welcome visitors; etc.)  I want to know what is going on, not hear promises.  If you do make a promise, you have to keep it come hell or high water at this point (consider just in my case alone how many times have you told me that my miners were going to be shipped the next day, within a week or within a few days).

(4) Don't ever - EVER - disappear from the forum for more than a day.  If you are moving, busy, even in the hospital .. it takes only a minute or two to post "Just got run over by a car but I am okay. In hospital and won't be posting until XX."  Its really easy to keep our trust if you are being honest and communicating.  Easy to lose it otherwise.  Saying you are too busy (building miners, moving, dealing with lawsuit, etc.) is just malarky and you know it.  A post takes a few minutes if you really are busy, 30 at most.

Here's to hoping that the next time I kick the ball while you are holding it, I can connect without having the ball yanked away and then watch it sail through the uprights.




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May 02, 2014, 10:10:44 AM
Ditto ^ ^
We now continue with our regular scheduled programming.
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May 02, 2014, 10:06:41 AM
Oh for context:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.6176871

I quoted Phins comment as he caught the whole thing...I have loshia on ignore and no interest in unignoring him for this. But bottom line the context was that Jim Brown was apparently suck to the point where he almost had a heart attack.. That is Loshias everyone deserves what they get comment is directed at. After he caught shit for it he backed off that....just proves my point tho of what he is here for. And the kind of person he is. I thought it might be relevant for those who are not familiar with his nature. He revealed it in that single comment of wishing death on someone.

Even IF AMT is criminally liable or whatever, that is never an excuse to wish death on someone. They are not murdering people or anything that comes close to warranting their deaths. Whatever the case the point is he has shown his true colors as a sadistic human being and a troll. Hence why giving him any kid of a soapbox is just not worth it. quoting him is a waste even reading what he has to say is a waste.....in the words of the great saga of Billy Madison.....this applies "what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

edit I will stop commenting on that now and go back to contributing.
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May 02, 2014, 10:04:26 AM
AMT_Miners: Ya know, your site still advertises the 520 miner as:
Product Description
Plug & Play Bitcoin Miner

520 GH/s nominal performance ( + / – 10% )

Included accessories: USB Cable and Power Cord
Chip: Asic 28nm
Weight: 16 lb.
Dimensions: 10.50 x 12 x 16 high

Warranty: This unit come with a lifetime warranty.

Product specifications may differ from  (+/- 10% running variance)
 Your order for this miner will ship  in  4 weeks or less.

Now considering I ordered at the end of Feb when it said the same time frame, with still no miner and many others far ahead of me in the queue that is blatant false advertising. No 'pre-order' wiggle room there. No mention of 'expected ship date' either. That is a firm statement which you have no ability to fulfill.

I highly suggest that you remove any shipping time frames from ALL your advertising...
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May 02, 2014, 10:02:28 AM
I ordered my miners on December 5th 2013. It is now May 2, 2014 - five months it has been since I placed my order. Five months it has been with nothing to show for it. Is this really how you want to treat your customers AMT?
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May 02, 2014, 09:43:42 AM
It's interesting but I see bitmine having alot of the same issues AMT has been having. Altho it seems less so. Refunds issues, delivery issues, all of the same. Like I said....seems like anything/anyone using A1's designs is having a ton of issues. Companies using other chips seem to be ok in terms of delivery. Something worth noting if you are looking for vendors. Just seeing a common thread here with the hardware is all. There is this race for a 28nm process, but at the same time with all the problems, it almost seems like the stable and already mature 55nm process or 40nm chips based solutions are better at this point to go with. They work they are stable....and most of all they are shipping and largely on time.
Realy Grin
My technobit boards A1 are working non stop. And same is happening to other A1 hex8/hex4 technobit clients
So do not speak bulshit please.
You can always asume that everyone has issues but facts are different Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

Hey Loshia,

So do ours.



Hey AMT where's my refund? If you can afford to move to a new location you can afford to pay customers refunds.
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May 02, 2014, 09:43:23 AM
Folks
Let me clarify two things
1. As i said i will not stop you can ignore me
2. If you ever happen to get original hex8 board + real heatsink + real assambly i can assure you that you can count on me in terms of help abut technicall stuff
BUT once again Poserkoto Zipkin will not deliver this board to you. If he does it will be to a few blessed ones. So do not count on it all.
Good luck to all of you who still do hope


What are your qualifications to do assembly?  What if we send you our bad AMT boards,  can you assemble and test them on the technobit boards?
Did you checked technobit thread there is my reply you can check it again if you want.
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May 02, 2014, 09:39:44 AM
Folks
Let me clarify two things
1. As i said i will not stop you can ignore me
2. If you ever happen to get original hex8 board + real heatsink + real assambly i can assure you that you can count on me in terms of help abut technicall stuff
BUT once again Poserkoto Zipkin will not deliver this board to you. If he does it will be to a few blessed ones. So do not count on it all.
Good luck to all of you who still do hope


What are your qualifications to do assembly?  What if we send you our bad AMT boards,  can you assemble and test them on the technobit boards?

considering he seems to have never posted anything technical or that contributes in any way, somehow I doubt it. He might know the basics of putting it together, but not likley the more advanced stuff to actually fix real problems. He just causes more problems with his nonsense. And obviously he won't stop...that is the definition of troll. He talks a mean game but if you have seen he cant walk the walk. Just talks alot of bs. He is a sadisic punk who obviously gets his jollies of others misery. He has on more than one occasion alluded to that. With his comments on wishing death on people and all that. And the fact that he keeps spouting the same old shit over and over again. poserko zipkin jail shit. Its the same tired crap over and over again. He will go away once everyone on here ignores him and stops giving him his soapbox. My suggestion just gloss over his comments and let him spew his nonsense. or just put him on ignore which is to the right right under his username. I put him back on ignore and is the only one I got on ignore BUT I see people quote his crap. It does not help to reason with him. You just cant reason with stupid. Oh and avoid quoting him. That helps diminish his perceived power.
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May 02, 2014, 09:32:39 AM
Folks
Let me clarify two things
1. As i said i will not stop you can ignore me
2. If you ever happen to get original hex8 board + real heatsink + real assambly i can assure you that you can count on me in terms of help abut technicall stuff
BUT once again Poserkoto Zipkin will not deliver this board to you. If he does it will be to a few blessed ones. So do not count on it all.
Good luck to all of you who still do hope


What are your qualifications to do assembly?  What if we send you our bad AMT boards,  can you assemble and test them on the technobit boards?
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May 02, 2014, 09:00:57 AM
On a side note I am working on my "dead" miner to see if I can bring it back to life. The cards are there but they don't appear to be burned out. If I can get them back up and running it might be a benefit to those who are having issues as well. This might save people alot of the headaches they are dealing with now. I can't promise anything because I am still trying to figure it all out myself. It could just be the cards died and that's all there is too it. Right now its just dead cards. The rest of the components work.
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May 02, 2014, 08:54:41 AM
Loshia,

I do not see your point in all this bashing of AMT.  I think you should leave this board.  Same with Phin.

All AMT customers want is some compensation for their investments.

We already have the legal aspects handled with the class-action lawyers.  If AMT want to work out a solution that gets everyone compensated then that's good for everyone.

The Technobit AMT board looks like a good step in the right direction.  Now we obviously can't trust AMT,  but there are already plenty of organizations that are monitoring AMTs every move.  

So your constant bashing of AMT does not help.   We already know that they have a very low competence level.  However, we want them to come up with a way to compensate everyone who lost money.

You are no help and should disappear!  You really are a nobody that just happens to own a techno-bit board.  Phin is a nobody who doesn't even mine BTC.   I think you folks over estimate your importance in this entire AMT fiasco.  



+1 to this. The goal here should be to get some productive results here. And hopefully getting AMT on here a bit more to comment on things vs us just speculating on whats going on. mrpark is on to something with the whole situation. The communication needs to improve. Even if its a quick update on things. Obviously some of the legal crap cant be commented on. But maybe we can get some updates on other things. A bit of transparency can go a long way in easing these tensions people are feeling right now over things.  But the useless poserko comments I assume loshia still posts serve no purpose any more. Or every did for that matter.
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May 02, 2014, 08:51:28 AM
Loshia,

I do not see your point in all this bashing of AMT.  I think you should leave this board.  Same with Phin.

All AMT customers want is some compensation for their investments.

We already have the legal aspects handled with the class-action lawyers.  If AMT want to work out a solution that gets everyone compensated then that's good for everyone.

The Technobit AMT board looks like a good step in the right direction.  Now we obviously can't trust AMT,  but there are already plenty of organizations that are monitoring AMTs every move.   

So your constant bashing of AMT does not help.   We already know that they have a very low competence level.  However, we want them to come up with a way to compensate everyone who lost money.

You are no help and should disappear!  You really are a nobody that just happens to own a techno-bit board.  Phin is a nobody who doesn't even mine BTC.   I think you folks over estimate your importance in this entire AMT fiasco.   



+1

The truth is out there we get it and have seen it at least 50+ times now, please stop with the bashing, what we need now is for them to refund or ship product, let them get to that part now.
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May 02, 2014, 06:13:55 AM
Loshia,

I do not see your point in all this bashing of AMT.  I think you should leave this board.  Same with Phin.

All AMT customers want is some compensation for their investments.

We already have the legal aspects handled with the class-action lawyers.  If AMT want to work out a solution that gets everyone compensated then that's good for everyone.

The Technobit AMT board looks like a good step in the right direction.  Now we obviously can't trust AMT,  but there are already plenty of organizations that are monitoring AMTs every move.  

So your constant bashing of AMT does not help.   We already know that they have a very low competence level.  However, we want them to come up with a way to compensate everyone who lost money.

You are no help and should disappear!  You really are a nobody that just happens to own a techno-bit board.  Phin is a nobody who doesn't even mine BTC.   I think you folks over estimate your importance in this entire AMT fiasco.  

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May 02, 2014, 04:56:01 AM
We're not gone, nor moving out right away. We're not running away with anyone's payment either. We've said numerous times that we're working on a upgrade/refund options for all of our clients, as such it requires a complete audit of the company's finances (needed for discovery during the litigation's investigative process anyway) and we're also restructuring of our current business model all together, gearing up to offer hosting as well hardware soon.

We have also been looking at a more adequate facility in Jenkintown and will probably be moving there within the next month. As we have subcontracted SMD services we've also used their facilities as well as other temporary rented facilities for assembly. We feel it's smarter to take a location where assembly and administrative operations can coexist and we're in the process of setting that up now. Also, due to numerous calls from random people asking if we are legitimate, if we exist, if we're a scam, and calls basically bothering the crap out of our neighbors, our landlord has asked to find another place of operations as well. So again thanks to all the wonderful investigative souls on this thread that helped facilitate that one.


Just because you are moving, does not mean that customers have no way to return defective products.  Explain to me why that was not done for mrpark?

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May 02, 2014, 04:52:17 AM
Finally got my backplane....

but it was Bitmine who shipped it all the way from Switzerland!

So looks you can bank on Bitmine to 'semi-support' the product.

Still can't test my system because it looks like my raspi got fried.
+1 to Bitmine.ch for that!
If that appears to be a real RasPi, think you said you have another around right? Pull the SD card from the dead one and use it in a working Pi.

In fact, first use AMT's SD card in your Pi all by itself using 5v power fed through the micro USB - nothing else attached (aside from monitor/keyboard of course) and see what it does.


The AMT raspis are actually stock RasPI's. I already own an identical one I was doing some other work on. I am uploading the default AMT image up in the event its needed. I will post a link when its done. And a small readme on what to use to load it on an SDcard if you are not familar with the process. Its dead simple but still worth documenting.

Would you also be able to verify if the new Bitmine firmware will work?  The Bitmine stuff can be downloaded from here:

http://bitmine.ch/?page_id=5483

It won't. It will require some modification and addition of AMT's scripts. That said upgrading cgminer on the existing distro is certainly possible. I got a pretty good handle on the tools. The bitmine driver also get some upgrades which might benefit.

Also @AMT I think I may have figured out why the cards are dying but you can bring them back to life at your plant.....its the i2cdetect. FYI running that tool with certain parameters based on what I saw can actually cause firmware issues on the cards themselves. It can corrupt it which might explain why so many cards are dying. I dont know how to bring mine back to life (I have 5 dead cards) so this could be an issue. Might want to look into that side of it. The i2c piece can be very dangerous on firmware. There should be some sort of hook or shim in between to keep the low level access from potentially frying the cards. I have one confirmed dead card burned out. This was due to the default settings and it prevents the whole system from coming up. The other 4 cards however COULD work. I have one working miner at this point out of 2. I can provide you more details on what I found if this is something that can be documented and fixed. I think for the benefit of existing customers who are struggling.

I went through every bit of custom code on the distro and read through and saw these things that jumped out at me. What I didn't know i looked up and realized what could be the problem. The i2cdetect parameters can be very dangerous to run and can corrupt the running of the cards. That said if there is a way to "revive" them from a user standpoint I am all open for trying it out before I have to send those cards back.

Okay, not only does the current design not have enough power going into the board (1 PCI-E connector versus 2 for Technobit) but it appears to have firmware problems.   
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