Topic: New Official AMT Thread - page 122. (Read 149472 times)

To AMT_Miners re: component shortages
Just be very very careful about picking 2nd/3rd sources for them! There is a reason there are so few prime component sources - quality and proven performance. Contrary to seemingly popular belief (at least among purchasing agents) any given component is NOT just like any other similar one from a different maker.

Properly vetted vendors of the components are to be respected and please avoid the grey-market at all costs. Counterfeit components are rife.

There may be components from 'other' sources that do the same thing but they are not necessarily really up to the task without heavy de-rating.

Someone will get back to you on Monday about that.

Thanks for the reply, that sounds great but it takes a lot of time to accomplish what you are suggesting.   I'd rather have some hash power now, or a refund...i don't see what the difference is with re-selling a product from X vs Y, especially if it can be shipped the same day you order it.

I'm just asking for the opportunity to part ways, in a way that we both benefit.

Dan, someone will get back to you on Monday regarding the above. But we don't think we'll be ordering from cointerra. If anything we'll do quick board run in Switzerland (we'll find out on Monday as there is a shortage of components for that design in general after the chinese flooded the market with something similar). Our major issue had to do with our local SMD facility here in philly and the boards as well. We have also been running another design from one of our previous partners for the least week which some clients have already opted to receive instead. We're also looking into a scrypt trade off too.

Right now, for me and my budget Ants are the only real game in town (got 9 of them). They are hungrier and take up more room per-TH but they can be in-hand in days either direct from China or from many different resellers. Currently around $2400-2500/TH be they S1 or S2's.

Oh believe me I've read both threads...i just figured it cant hurt to try, something is better than nothing.

My orders are in the low 1500's , though when i placed them i was promised specific ship dates as i was using these boxes as samples for a larger order i intended to place once i evaluated them.

^^ Gird thy loins and read through this thread from the start...

Just for the record, Order number?

I ordered 2 of the 1.2 Th boxes and 2 of the 3.2 Th boxes, my promised delivery dates have come and gone long ago and the ROI for these is probably gone at this point.

I just emailed them and asked for them to order me the equivalent Th worth of boxes from Cointerra (a box i know works, and is in stock for about 1/2 of what i paid AMT) and we will call it even.

I'm just hoping they make it right with their customers, this was just my way of asking for an out that seems like a no brainier to me.

+1 & agree on all points there.
The shitstorm that hit Bitmine/AMT, BFL & others was the idea of pre-orders. They thought they understood the semiconductor product dev cycle and were wildly over optimistic about how long it really takes or what the results can be.

#1 rule: You/your investors pay 100% for the development through the 1st spin/batch. Not just give enough to the designers/foundries to get the ball rolling and then rely on pre-order sales of an entirely unproven-in-the real-world product to finance the rest of the process. Specific to the BTC mining chips, if you have institutional-sized folks interested then they need to cough up the R&D funds as that is what it is at that point.

Just how fast the first chips are actually ran depends largely on your relationship with the foundry. They have long-term commitments to meet and they come first. Period. Pretty sure that is part of the problem Bitmine/Innosilicon, BFL, and other ASIC makers have had with GF or other foundries. It is rarely 1-st come 1st served unless you have one huge wallet.

If you are very very lucky with all the planets in alignment the 1st spin will show promise as at least engineering samples. Probably even be salable to a point. Then and only then do you start the marketing ball rolling! Only then will you actually have an idea of real/possible performance vs just models. Sometimes ya win, most just kinda do and punt. Point is you now at least have a real product or at worst an idea of what is needed to refine the design.

Just my opinion from being part of the equipment design/supply side of the the biz for over 30 years... I've lived and breathed the entire cycles from *our* customers customers 1st asking "what can be done to make this..." to applying 6-sigma because they are now making 10's of millions of the chips a month.

That said, gotta be a market for the chips. Heck folks still sell ones for BFL's Jalapenos. But... until something from AMT shows up you need to hang onto them.

My other option is selling the miner AS IS on e-bay. I'd clearly state the issues as I'd not want to deceive anybody. I'll mention that there appears to be a voltage issue and that boards that are not being read are not dead so much as they are catatonic and this is not due the A1 chip itself but to the PBC and manufacturing process.

I'll pop a reserve on it for some where under the retail price of the A1 chips as there are 40 there on the bench just waiting for the coach to tell them to get up and play ball.

That way it's either a fixer uper for the adventurous types, or a salvage operation for the restoration types. I mean I'm sitting on one of the few released 1.2 model (kit version) that made it into the wild. Maybe someone wants to get a look at it.

I know that is the more immediate pay off route if anyone is looking to buy. But how knows maybe patience will turn out the virtue, so long as I don't have to wait until my PTSD/Anxiety and recently discovered heart defect team up to take me out prematurely.

It's nice to see that we are getting some communication for AMT.

It is encouraging even if I have a bit of pessimism and cynicism about the whole ordeal.

I do appreciate that AMT tried to make me whole by sending my miner when they did, though sadly the product didn't work as it was supposed to.
When I talked to Josh I could hear the frustration in his voice, though it didn't appear to be frustration with me as much as it was with the situation.

I didn't send my 3 non working boards for RMA yet. It looks like I should, according to the advice from AMT to other users, keep the three non-working boards in my possession.
This way they are able to take care of things and work on their compensation solution.

I am a bit dismayed that they are taking their frustrations out on customers who used methods well within their rights when no official responses were coming from the company.
That , to me at least, sounds childish and irresponsible as they pass the blame on to the customers.

Thats said they are absolutely right that issues within the supply chain are the most likely cause of the monumental clusterfuck that is this situation. But they had the candor to at least admit that they have lost at this point.

I wish them the best so that not only are my issues taken care of, as compensation in the from of upgrade or refund, but that all of their customers are made whole.

This may be a shit storm of katrina like proportions but we've all been weathering it together, and it is my hope that all off us stay afloat, even amt, so we can spring back as a more resilient community.

I'd like to thank opeium2 and ISAWHIM for all their help and technical knowledge that's been lended to this thread  and I hope we see this forum continue on with the honest discussion that they bring and welcome AMT to the discussion rather that taking a dump on them every time they play ground hog and pop their head out of their hole.




Also, I'm digging the design of the new board, you could certainly sign me up for that.

AMT_Miners - Did you have a chance to pick up the RMA'd 1.2T miner on Friday? If not Monday would be fine. Please let me know, Thank You.

AMT,
         When are you going to provide us with an updated shipping schedule? You keep asking your customers to give you  break but you need to start showing some respect to us and give us some indication of when our late miners are shipping.

What I have been saying all this time. I did it a while ago. Sadly I picked up his last quote.

You know you all could just put loshia on ignore, including AMT and everyone else just stop quoting him.

Right his pattern is consistent. But anyway now he has bowed out according to him. He can keep on trolling in the users thread. I think if it encourages AMT to post some more and we can all have a more reasonable discussion then so be it. I think its clear collectively the resources are here to keep things balanced on the consumer side. That being said its not a smart move to just go at them with a 10 ton hammer either. In the end it doesn't benefit us or them. So if there is a way we all come out of this winning that would be great. We just need to keep the discussion on track on getting regular updates and whatever other contributions can be made to make things work. Later this weekend I will upload the stock AMT image for the 1.2Ths miner. This will be useful for those needing it for reverting to stock for whatever reason.

AMT_Miners - my apologies for filing a complaint when my due date came and went. What if you or a family member ordered a car over the internet for $6,000 and you could not get answers from anyone one when the delivery date came? Honestly, I would like to know the exact steps you would take in order to resolve the situation?

I am doing my best to keep positive, and delete some of my older post. Thank You again for helping me out with my issue.

If you accept a refund from AMT, then obviously you can't claim damages from a class action lawsuit.  

Alternatively, if AMT refunds everyone then nobody can claim damages.

It is just that simple.   

Okay great. Thanks for the honest response. When will you have a solution in place? All I ask is that you keep me updated on what's going on, as it has been five months since I placed my order.

 Also, how come you told me you would "try and ship tomorrow or friday" on April 9th, but you never updated me as to why you never ended up shipping them out? When will they be shipped out at this point? Would it be easier for you to send me a refund since you are having manufacturing issues?

+1 to that