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Quote from: Lafu on March 13, 2019, 11:31:07 AM

Because if he only translate it and post the translated text its not a plagiarism in my eyes !

like other said here,
If you do a translation of a topic this is fine and usefull in many cases (exept the google translation spams) but at least you need to mention the source.
otherwise it is stolen ideas and content which is plagiarism.

and yes it make it really hard to find. much more than direct copy past topics.

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Quote from: Lafu on March 13, 2019, 11:31:07 AM

Because if he only translate it and post the translated text its not a plagiarism in my eyes !

Agree with you Lafu.
Translate mass media posts is not plagiarism.
But the users should include the original source of the post.

For example:
You write something about "Be the rich", then I translate your post to my native language

People will assume that post came from me, not from you.
The worst things, if some people found your post, they will think you've stolen my idea.

What do you think about that?

IMO

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Quote from: Diamond Member on March 15, 2019, 12:39:34 AM

Quote from: hacker1001101001 on March 13, 2019, 12:32:52 PM

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Once they are banned, any signature they had is removed. I can only speculate as to what he is doing. Some of these people might be participating in FaceBook, Instagram and whatnot advertising campaigns, while hoping to rank up with plagiarized posts in order to eventually participate in a signature campaign or otherwise earn additional money with the higher rank.

But, they should know the basic rules of operating under any forum if they want to earn from it, which is no copy-paste. I think this values as an universal rule on most of the online forum's. Ranking up is a pretty hard goal for them, as it would just ban more and more of their accounts if they keep on doing this. Not a smart way of earning maybe.

I am just guessing that there could be a ring of all those accounts and most of them are also abusing merit system by sending one merit to rank up to jr.member. They all could be alt of there merit sender's too.

I have found one more similar case. I don't know Russian language by the way, hope any native person could verify it. I confirmed it by Google translate.

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Quote from: Suwycu on September 20, 2018, 04:33:18 AM

Focusing on bitcoin, as an investment asset (a means of rapid growth of value), many overlook its true value, thanks to which its price on the exchanges is growing. This value is a unique ability to save and transfer costs over distances without the involvement of a trusted intermediary.
  In this sense, Bitcoin has advantages both before the issued by states with fiat money, and before gold.
  Bitcoin exists outside of state institutions and does not need state regulation. This is a completely self-contained system.
  Bitcoin also does not need legalization. Being outside the legal field does not mean illegality.
  Undoubtedly, Bitcoin, by virtue of its special properties, mentioned above, is an attractive object for investment. But, not this is its main function and mission. Bitcoin came to this world to destroy the state monopoly on money and their circulation. And to create a new monetary paradigm - henceforth the transfer of value is possible without intermediaries, as in cash calculation - from hand to hand. Without central banks and other financial institutions. Without uncontrolled money issue and inflation.
  Therefore, bitcoin was a valuable currency, there is and always will be!

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This isn't really anything new right? Just a slightly more clever way of committing plagiarism as it'd be a huge hassle going to need to Google translate fishy topics/replies.

Not saying that this isn't a problem though. It's going to be a lot harder as the people who are going to plagiarize a few statements(instead of copying the whole reply) is mostly going to be undetected. You're mostly going to need to understand the 2nd language to be totally sure if the topic/reply is plagiarized or not.

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Quote from: hacker1001101001 on March 13, 2019, 12:32:52 PM

Quote from: Diamond Member on March 13, 2019, 11:21:52 AM

I also looked at a few random pages of the two threads I can see, and it looks like there is little discussion among the thread participants in both of those threads, which helps allow plagiarized content to not stand out as much (it would be difficult to plagiarize content that is part of a conversation). A solution might be to disallow/lock threads in which it is apparent there is not much conversation between thread participants.

Yes, plagiarizing content related to a topic is a pretty difficult job, he would have to go through a hell lot of Russian websites, and find a related content to the topic on which he would be posting or else an off-topic post can clearly rise suspicion.

If they had to find content related to a specific post, they might as well write content themselves. This is the point. This kind of rule would also make threads more interesting and less hard to read because there would be fewer posts that add zero to the conversation.

Quote from: hacker1001101001 on March 13, 2019, 12:32:52 PM

I don't understand what does the operator of this accounts earn from the copy-paste of this posts. He is using lower level accounts which obviously don't earn much, also he is not wearing any signature that takes him to zero income.

Are they spamming the forum for free? Huh

Once they are banned, any signature they had is removed. I can only speculate as to what he is doing. Some of these people might be participating in FaceBook, Instagram and whatnot advertising campaigns, while hoping to rank up with plagiarized posts in order to eventually participate in a signature campaign or otherwise earn additional money with the higher rank.

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Quote from: Xal0lex on March 13, 2019, 09:38:47 AM

Veleor found a new sort of plagiarism: the user takes the Russian text, translates it using Google Translate and then places it on the forum.
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This sort of plagiarism can meet not only in the English section, but also in other sections of the forum. Violators can use not only the Russian text. It`s quite difficult to detect it.

I believe this type of plagiarism has been around for a long time, they don't get caught easily
"It`s quite difficult to detect it.", as you said, because there is no automated mechanism to find them
a standard search won't return any relation between the original and translated version
someone has to actually read both messages to know it's a plagiarism then report it

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The third (3) account @ vova.andreyan.94, @dnovsckym, @Ociwiw. Already got a ban.
So it's not active.

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2. dnovsckym (Archived)
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This account is not only copy / paste, but also Multi-account and avoid bans.

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5. https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lookingforachallenge-183132 [seregaleon] (Archived)

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Quote from: Diamond Member on March 13, 2019, 11:21:52 AM

I also looked at a few random pages of the two threads I can see, and it looks like there is little discussion among the thread participants in both of those threads, which helps allow plagiarized content to not stand out as much (it would be difficult to plagiarize content that is part of a conversation). A solution might be to disallow/lock threads in which it is apparent there is not much conversation between thread participants.

Yes, plagiarizing content related to a topic is a pretty difficult job, he would have to go through a hell lot of Russian websites, and find a related content to the topic on which he would be posting or else an off-topic post can clearly rise suspicion.

I don't understand what does the operator of this accounts earn from the copy-paste of this posts. He is using lower level accounts which obviously don't earn much, also he is not wearing any signature that takes him to zero income.

Are they spamming the forum for free? Huh

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Quote from: Diamond Member on March 13, 2019, 11:21:52 AM

Two of those posts are merited by foserfox (the third is not viewable to me). The administration should look into if foserfox is also any of those three people, and ban him if so. I would be surprised if the evidence does not show they are not all the same.

That's why he appeared on the first position there:

Quote from: LoyceV on March 06, 2019, 08:10:37 AM

The data (click for the full version)
1. 45 (43.26%) banned users merited by ~~foserfox~~ Banned! (details)

He was also auto-banned.
I don't known Russian, but the OP found interesting evidences that plagiariser merited other plagiarisers, and they both got auto-banned.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on March 13, 2019, 12:02:20 PM

Quote from: Lafu on March 13, 2019, 11:31:07 AM

Because if he only translate it and post the translated text its not a plagiarism in my eyes !

That's correct if he uses his own words to redact the post. But if he use an automatic translator and post it as it is word by word then it is plagiarism.
It is just another trick to avoid getting caught.

It's still plagiarism if they don't post a link to the original imo.

This is what is often done legitimately... If they'd just added a reference link then it wouldn't be plagiarism imo and they'd probably get merits for it still.

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Quote from: Lafu on March 13, 2019, 11:31:07 AM

Because if he only translate it and post the translated text its not a plagiarism in my eyes !

That's correct if he uses his own words to redact the post. But if he use an automatic translator and post it as it is word by word then it is plagiarism.
It is just another trick to avoid getting caught.

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I have seen this in the german board a few times and its nothing new !

The most time i report it as an Translation spam if the translation isnt right !

Because if he only translate it and post the translated text its not a plagiarism in my eyes !

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Two of those posts are merited by foserfox (the third is not viewable to me). The administration should look into if foserfox is also any of those three people, and ban him if so. I would be surprised if the evidence does not show they are not all the same.

I don't think playing "whack-a-mole" is the best way to deal with the plagiarism problem, I think the incentives to plagiarize should be removed, or the risks of plagiarizing increased, or a combination of the two.

One solution might be to require people pay a small fee for one, or a combination of the below:

Rank up above "newbie" status
To have any kind of signature
To be eligible to receive merit
To post outside of certain sections

I also looked at a few random pages of the two threads I can see, and it looks like there is little discussion among the thread participants in both of those threads, which helps allow plagiarized content to not stand out as much (it would be difficult to plagiarize content that is part of a conversation). A solution might be to disallow/lock threads in which it is apparent there is not much conversation between thread participants.

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Veleor found a new sort of plagiarism: the user takes the Russian text, translates it using Google Translate and then places it on the forum.

Examples:

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Quote from: vova.andreyan.94 on September 20, 2018, 09:36:54 AM

The assumption that bitcoin can replace the Fiat money is absurd and can not be seriously considered. The number of virtual coins can be mined 21 million. This is not enough for the world economy. This is only one of 1000 reasons why the replacement will not happen.
Another reason is the difficulty in using crypto currency for most people. Storage on a digital wallet carrier with all transactions is not the most convenient format for many. The variant with the sites providing services for storage and work with digital accounts is not considered - anonymity and decentralization are lost, and with them and the meaning of such a replacement.

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Quote from: dnovsckym on September 20, 2018, 09:19:16 AM

The ICO market begins to calm down after an unprecedented rush and gradually turns into a stable and reliable tool for crowdfunding. When crypto community realized all the charm of smart contracts, then with the help of ether began to release tokens. Now there are four main types of tokens: Payment, Donation, Utility and Security. Over the past two years, Utility has been able to collect a huge amount of money on kriptornke using the tool ICO.
After the explosions in the collections of 2016 and 2017 (about $ 4 billion and $ 6 billion, respectively) summer of 2018 came - ICO volumes fell by about 10 times. According to the chairman of the expert council, the cause itself was kriptornok - influence is exerted both by the fall of the BTC rate, and the projects of previous years, which did not justify themselves. Koltsov believes these factors are the main reasons why investors stopped believing and investing in Utility tokens and startups. So it seems to me that the ICO time is most likely coming to an end.

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Quote from: Ociwiw on September 20, 2018, 09:07:03 AM

All because it refers to revolutionary technologies. Block chains are the technology underlying the Bitcoin crypto currency, which is characterized by high security, transparency and resistance to change. At the same time, block circuits have much more potential than one that can be implemented in digital currency. This technology makes transactions between two objects possible without an intermediary in the face of the clearing center, which significantly reduces the time and cost of the transaction. Moreover, when combined with "smart" contracts, block-chain technology allows you to automatically issue digital securities and trade financial derivatives. For example, the insurance industry has a great potential, which can offer new opportunities for the application of block-chain technology.

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This sort of plagiarism can meet not only in the English section, but also in other sections of the forum. Violators can use not only the Russian text. It`s quite difficult to detect it.

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