New strong pool or solominer 83.169.22.26 ???

organofcorti

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Quote from: legolouman on September 16, 2012, 07:58:40 PM

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Quote from: legolouman on September 12, 2012, 06:50:39 AM

You can never trust pools 100% of the time. I've been there, and done that.

Do tell...

What do you mean? IIRC, Slush indirectly admitted to being able to steal blocks without anyone knowing. It's even easier to steal shares. I got scammed by a pool that stole 2-3 blocks and a 'block finder's bonus'. Though, that panned out in the end, because the community is very nice.

What did I mean? What was your scamming experience and at which pool did you get scammed? You partly answered the question.

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Quote from: os2sam on September 12, 2012, 06:55:07 AM

Quote from: os2sam on September 10, 2012, 10:12:56 PM

This whole thread has the purpose of stirring up distrust with no proof. So either present your proof for your accusations or stop spreading FUD.
Sam

Quote from: legolouman on September 12, 2012, 06:50:39 AM

You can never trust pools 100% of the time. I've been there, and done that.

I'm a big believer in "Trust but Verify".
Sam

That's an attitude, but it can be hard to make sure your data isn't skewed.

Quote from: organofcorti on September 12, 2012, 06:58:19 AM

Quote from: legolouman on September 12, 2012, 06:50:39 AM

You can never trust pools 100% of the time. I've been there, and done that.

Do tell...

What do you mean? IIRC, Slush indirectly admitted to being able to steal blocks without anyone knowing. It's even easier to steal shares. I got scammed by a pool that stole 2-3 blocks and a 'block finder's bonus'. Though, that panned out in the end, because the community is very nice.

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Quote from: os2sam on September 12, 2012, 06:55:07 AM

Quote from: os2sam on September 10, 2012, 10:12:56 PM

This whole thread has the purpose of stirring up distrust with no proof. So either present your proof for your accusations or stop spreading FUD.
Sam

Quote from: legolouman on September 12, 2012, 06:50:39 AM

You can never trust pools 100% of the time. I've been there, and done that.

I'm a big believer in "Trust but Verify".
Sam

Me too! It is a worldly wisdom. Lenin did only adopt it. Cheesy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust,_but_verify

organofcorti

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Quote from: legolouman on September 12, 2012, 06:50:39 AM

You can never trust pools 100% of the time. I've been there, and done that.

Do tell...

os2sam

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Quote from: os2sam on September 10, 2012, 10:12:56 PM

This whole thread has the purpose of stirring up distrust with no proof. So either present your proof for your accusations or stop spreading FUD.
Sam

Quote from: legolouman on September 12, 2012, 06:50:39 AM

You can never trust pools 100% of the time. I've been there, and done that.

I'm a big believer in "Trust but Verify".
Sam

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Quote from: os2sam on September 10, 2012, 10:12:56 PM

Quote from: Shadow383 on September 10, 2012, 04:58:43 PM

Quote from: Gyrsur on September 10, 2012, 04:54:52 PM

Quote from: legolouman on September 10, 2012, 04:37:05 PM

Quote from: Gyrsur on September 09, 2012, 03:38:23 PM

Quote from: every1pewps on September 08, 2012, 02:10:07 PM

Possible that Deepbit is redirecting some of its hashrate and the pool op is lining his pockets with unreported blocks? kinda explains why they've had bad luck recently

my thoughts too!

Implying Pools are fair 100% of the time.

shouldn't they?? guess they should.

Deepbit doesn't need to be fair when they have some people mining PPS with a 10% fee Wink

How is Deepbit being unfair when people *CHOOSE* to mine PPS there? Respect peoples choice to mine where they want for whatever reason they have. If some poor schmuck doesn't understand how PPS works then explain it to them when they ask.

This whole thread has the purpose of stirring up distrust with no proof. So either present your proof for your accusations or stop spreading FUD.
Sam

You can never trust pools 100% of the time. I've been there, and done that.

Gyrsur

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Quote from: organofcorti on September 11, 2012, 02:35:24 AM

Quote from: Gyrsur on September 11, 2012, 02:12:10 AM

Quote from: organofcorti on September 10, 2012, 10:32:39 PM

Quote from: os2sam on September 10, 2012, 10:21:59 PM

Sorry, I didn't really mean to yell at you. It's the tone of this whole thread that I think is unfair to Deepbit.

This whole thread is completely based on a misunderstanding of variance and how shares are solved. People are suspicious here and want to blame someone for bad luck. I sort of understand it, but I think it would be better if people understood what they were saying before they start making accusations.

I disagree, my intention was to have a look at the network. Are there persons who take a look at the nework all the time? Then I would be fine. Thanks!

Plus, I don't deny your intention was to investigate the network, it's just much more complex than you might think.

yes I understand this in the meantime and I have to do more research on it.

organofcorti

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Quote from: Gyrsur on September 11, 2012, 02:12:10 AM

Quote from: organofcorti on September 10, 2012, 10:32:39 PM

Quote from: os2sam on September 10, 2012, 10:21:59 PM

Sorry, I didn't really mean to yell at you. It's the tone of this whole thread that I think is unfair to Deepbit.

This whole thread is completely based on a misunderstanding of variance and how shares are solved. People are suspicious here and want to blame someone for bad luck. I sort of understand it, but I think it would be better if people understood what they were saying before they start making accusations.

I disagree, my intention was to have a look at the network. Are there persons who take a look at the nework all the time? Then I would be fine. Thanks!

Yes, I take a look at the network at least once a week, every week: http://organofcorti.blogspot.com , look for the "Weekly pool statistics" posts. Plus, I don't deny your intention was to investigate the network, it's just much more complex than you might think. Read some about the geometric distribution and negative binomial distribution if you want to understand the probability and variance for the number of shares in one round or many rounds respectively. Read about the Poisson distribution if you're interested in the number of blocks a pool might solve in a given time period.

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Quote from: organofcorti on September 10, 2012, 10:32:39 PM

Quote from: os2sam on September 10, 2012, 10:21:59 PM

Sorry, I didn't really mean to yell at you. It's the tone of this whole thread that I think is unfair to Deepbit.

This whole thread is completely based on a misunderstanding of variance and how shares are solved. People are suspicious here and want to blame someone for bad luck. I sort of understand it, but I think it would be better if people understood what they were saying before they start making accusations.

I disagree, my intention was to have a look at the network. Are there persons who take a look at the nework all the time? Then I would be fine. Thanks!

organofcorti

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Quote from: os2sam on September 10, 2012, 10:21:59 PM

Sorry, I didn't really mean to yell at you. It's the tone of this whole thread that I think is unfair to Deepbit.

This whole thread is completely based on a misunderstanding of variance and how shares are solved. People are suspicious here and want to blame someone for bad luck. I sort of understand it, but I think it would be better if people understood what they were saying before they start making accusations.

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Quote from: Shadow383 on September 10, 2012, 10:14:13 PM

Quote from: os2sam on September 10, 2012, 10:12:56 PM

Quote from: Shadow383 on September 10, 2012, 04:58:43 PM

Quote from: Gyrsur on September 10, 2012, 04:54:52 PM

Quote from: legolouman on September 10, 2012, 04:37:05 PM

Quote from: Gyrsur on September 09, 2012, 03:38:23 PM

Quote from: every1pewps on September 08, 2012, 02:10:07 PM

Possible that Deepbit is redirecting some of its hashrate and the pool op is lining his pockets with unreported blocks? kinda explains why they've had bad luck recently

my thoughts too!

Implying Pools are fair 100% of the time.

shouldn't they?? guess they should.

Deepbit doesn't need to be fair when they have some people mining PPS with a 10% fee Wink

How is Deepbit being unfair when people *CHOOSE* to mine PPS there? Respect peoples choice to mine where they want for whatever reason they have. If some poor schmuck doesn't understand how PPS works then explain it to them when they ask.

This whole thread has the purpose of stirring up distrust with no proof. So either present your proof for your accusations or stop spreading FUD.
Sam

Don't get me wrong - I love deepbit. I make more off deepbit than I make off any other pool Wink

Sorry, I didn't really mean to yell at you. It's the tone of this whole thread that I think is unfair to Deepbit.

I don't understand why anyone would pay 10% fee for PPS either and I wouldn't have believed anyone still did until today.
I'll just pipe down now,
Sam

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Quote from: os2sam on September 10, 2012, 10:12:56 PM

Quote from: Shadow383 on September 10, 2012, 04:58:43 PM

Quote from: Gyrsur on September 10, 2012, 04:54:52 PM

Quote from: legolouman on September 10, 2012, 04:37:05 PM

Quote from: Gyrsur on September 09, 2012, 03:38:23 PM

Quote from: every1pewps on September 08, 2012, 02:10:07 PM

Possible that Deepbit is redirecting some of its hashrate and the pool op is lining his pockets with unreported blocks? kinda explains why they've had bad luck recently

my thoughts too!

Implying Pools are fair 100% of the time.

shouldn't they?? guess they should.

Deepbit doesn't need to be fair when they have some people mining PPS with a 10% fee Wink

How is Deepbit being unfair when people *CHOOSE* to mine PPS there? Respect peoples choice to mine where they want for whatever reason they have. If some poor schmuck doesn't understand how PPS works then explain it to them when they ask.

This whole thread has the purpose of stirring up distrust with no proof. So either present your proof for your accusations or stop spreading FUD.
Sam

Don't get me wrong - I love deepbit. I make more off deepbit than I make off any other pool Wink

os2sam

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Quote from: Shadow383 on September 10, 2012, 04:58:43 PM

Quote from: Gyrsur on September 10, 2012, 04:54:52 PM

Quote from: legolouman on September 10, 2012, 04:37:05 PM

Quote from: Gyrsur on September 09, 2012, 03:38:23 PM

Quote from: every1pewps on September 08, 2012, 02:10:07 PM

Possible that Deepbit is redirecting some of its hashrate and the pool op is lining his pockets with unreported blocks? kinda explains why they've had bad luck recently

my thoughts too!

Implying Pools are fair 100% of the time.

shouldn't they?? guess they should.

Deepbit doesn't need to be fair when they have some people mining PPS with a 10% fee Wink

How is Deepbit being unfair when people *CHOOSE* to mine PPS there? Respect peoples choice to mine where they want for whatever reason they have. If some poor schmuck doesn't understand how PPS works then explain it to them when they ask.

This whole thread has the purpose of stirring up distrust with no proof. So either present your proof for your accusations or stop spreading FUD.
Sam

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Quote from: Shadow383 on September 10, 2012, 04:58:43 PM

Quote from: Gyrsur on September 10, 2012, 04:54:52 PM

Quote from: legolouman on September 10, 2012, 04:37:05 PM

Quote from: Gyrsur on September 09, 2012, 03:38:23 PM

Quote from: every1pewps on September 08, 2012, 02:10:07 PM

Possible that Deepbit is redirecting some of its hashrate and the pool op is lining his pockets with unreported blocks? kinda explains why they've had bad luck recently

my thoughts too!

Implying Pools are fair 100% of the time.

shouldn't they?? guess they should.

Deepbit doesn't need to be fair when they have some people mining PPS with a 10% fee Wink

indeed!

Quote from: P4man on September 10, 2012, 03:07:54 AM

Quote from: Gyrsur on September 09, 2012, 03:38:23 PM

Quote from: every1pewps on September 08, 2012, 02:10:07 PM

It would make absolutely zero sense for Deepbit to steal a few 50BTC blocks and risk their pool altogether when they are making over 2000 BTC per month in fees without cheating.

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Quote from: Gyrsur on September 10, 2012, 04:54:52 PM

Quote from: legolouman on September 10, 2012, 04:37:05 PM

Quote from: Gyrsur on September 09, 2012, 03:38:23 PM

Quote from: every1pewps on September 08, 2012, 02:10:07 PM

Possible that Deepbit is redirecting some of its hashrate and the pool op is lining his pockets with unreported blocks? kinda explains why they've had bad luck recently

my thoughts too!

Implying Pools are fair 100% of the time.

shouldn't they?? guess they should.

Deepbit doesn't need to be fair when they have some people mining PPS with a 10% fee Wink

Gyrsur

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Quote from: legolouman on September 10, 2012, 04:37:05 PM

Quote from: Gyrsur on September 09, 2012, 03:38:23 PM

Quote from: every1pewps on September 08, 2012, 02:10:07 PM

Possible that Deepbit is redirecting some of its hashrate and the pool op is lining his pockets with unreported blocks? kinda explains why they've had bad luck recently

my thoughts too!

Implying Pools are fair 100% of the time.

shouldn't they?? guess they should.

legolouman

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Quote from: Gyrsur on September 09, 2012, 03:38:23 PM

Quote from: every1pewps on September 08, 2012, 02:10:07 PM

Possible that Deepbit is redirecting some of its hashrate and the pool op is lining his pockets with unreported blocks? kinda explains why they've had bad luck recently

my thoughts too!

Implying Pools are fair 100% of the time.

organofcorti

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Deepbit's average round length / D for the last week was close to spot on average. The negative binomial CDF prob for the week was approx. 0.5

Have a look at this post if you want to check DeepBit's stats compared to other pools: http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/2012/09/8th-september-weekly-pool-statistics.html

I may not agree with [Tycho]'s dogged continuation of the proportional reward method, but I have never seen anything remotely resembling block theft.

It's possible I suppose - I'm not sure I would be able to detect any significant change from expected if one block in a thousand was misappropriated - but then you wouldn't notice any change in luck either. This sort of behaviour is also not what I'd expect of [Tycho]. In my dealings with him he has never been underhanded and always honest.

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Quote from: Gyrsur on September 09, 2012, 03:38:23 PM

Quote from: every1pewps on September 08, 2012, 02:10:07 PM

Possible that Deepbit is redirecting some of its hashrate and the pool op is lining his pockets with unreported blocks? kinda explains why they've had bad luck recently

my thoughts too!

Deepbit stats are analysed to death. For instance by organofcorti:
http://organofcorti.blogspot.be/2012/03/21-deepbit.html

It would make absolutely zero sense for Deepbit to steal a few 50BTC blocks and risk their pool altogether when they are making over 2000 BTC per month in fees without cheating.

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Quote from: Gyrsur on September 09, 2012, 03:38:23 PM

Quote from: every1pewps on September 08, 2012, 02:10:07 PM

Possible that Deepbit is redirecting some of its hashrate and the pool op is lining his pockets with unreported blocks? kinda explains why they've had bad luck recently

my thoughts too!

Unlikely.
They do, however, employ a few of these tricks to make it harder for people to hop. It took me the best part of a week to get my proxy to reliably hop deepbit Wink

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