New Study Shows How Unprofitable Day Trading Is?

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Quote from: carlfebz2 on October 11, 2019, 07:27:23 AM

Secure profits anytime you do see greens is much more wiser rather or compared to wait up for a big green candle.Ive been doing this since when i do get involved with trading.
Its much preferable because anytime the price can change up its direction thats why you do need some sort of fast reaction when it comes to selling and buying opportunities and this is where traders do differ because profitability will always vary on how you do deal with it.Its hard but its not really impossible it will depend on how dedicated and experienced you are.

Green then red and this cycle follows could be the best session of traders than total green or total red which may not secure any profits for traders but as you said if we can use the conditions to us then it will be profitable.Unfortunately not many people have that patience to read the market condition and make profits from it,they will urge to make trades after trades but forgets to make reap.

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This article was talking about the Forex, Stock traders, not crypto. Because I don't believe day traders are not making profits. Rather, the number of day traders is increasing incredibly. Most of the crypto supporters are becoming day/short term traders. If you have good knowledge about the crypto market, you will make profits through day trading. This statistics is totally wrong in the crypto market. In crypto, only day traders are happy enough than any otherrs section.

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Quote from: Julian ogan on October 09, 2019, 06:39:31 AM

I came across an article where researchers found that 3% of traders make money and with less than 1% making more than minimum wage.

A new study of day traders in Brazil 3 academics, 2 from the Sao Paulo School of Economics and another from the University of Sao Paulo, undertook a comprehensive analysis of options and futures day traders in local equity markets and shown that this is almost certain to be a total nonsense.

The academics looked at just under 20,000 new traders and found that, over time, they lost more and more money. Of those that traded for a single day, roughly 30% turned a profit. Conversely, only 3 percent of the people that traded for over 300 days made any money.

In fact, the researchers found that the longer that someone traded, the more money they lost. This pattern can be seen in the casino roulett, said the academics.

>> If day trading is not profitable, then why do people still do day trading?

How profitable day trading depends on many different factors, one such important factor is that it depends on how much capital a trader has. A 2% gain for a trader with $10k vs $100k USD makes a big difference and can spell the difference between becoming a successful full-time job or not.

But if we talk of Bitcoin alone, it does seem like long term investors have gained more than day traders.

Day trading is more profitable when it comes to volatile market. If you are really good at day trading then you can make a lot of profit if you will choose to trade bitcoin. It really depends on the capital but even with a few thousand dollars as a capital in bitcoin day trading, you can still make a lot of good profit. So you better master the basics of technical analysis if you are really into day trading.

Day trading is more effective on the volatile market indeed, however, not for crypto because as we can see there's no big movement happening in the market now hence day trading is out of option probably, it is better if you do the long term trading. Besides, OP is more likely pertaining to foreign exchanges, not crypto that is why people choose daily trading but for crypto traders based on what market we have now daily trade seems a bad option.

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Quote from: Julian ogan on October 09, 2019, 06:39:31 AM

>> If day trading is not profitable, then why do people still do day trading?

They are trying to become one of those 3% of people (as what the article is saying) that are making profit in day trading. In reality, more people are really losing money than earning, based on a lot on studies no matter what type of trading it is. That's why a newbie trader shouldn't risk 100% of capital he can, as much as possible make it decent just for the sake of learning and experience.

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I am not saying everyone trading daily are making profit but it is not everyone that you see make some analysis based on their idea are right, to me, it is impossible that everyone that is trading daily are losing money and I believe that the more they even trade is the more they get use to the market which will make them to even trade better and be able to adjust to any circumstances at any time.

Let me tell you, the reason why people fail in day trading is because they are greedy, they don’t take profit when they are supposed to take it because they see it as tiny profit at that time, and they don’t know that the tiny profit they neglect is the main profit that will build up their profit depending on how many time they trade in a day. Everything all depend on our skills and strategies.

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I didn’t read the entire article in the link that you post OP but it looks like the study was made for those who are into foreign exchange trading and not for cryptocurrency trading. we all know that theres a big difference between the price movement between the two. Just take a look at the starting price of a dollar and the end price and see the difference, its just a small fraction compare to trading in cryptos. Although I would say that day trading is also hard for crypto traders. Aside from knowing the back ground of the token/coin, timing is very important as well.

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Quote from: djsugar on October 09, 2019, 10:58:54 AM

Day trading is done with tighter stop losses. If you compare it with short or medium term trading, the chances if success is less in day trading. You play with small margins and tighter stop losses. There is big chance that you opt out of the trade with a small price movement taking little loss. Cryptos are pretty volatile and there are many noob traders here. Added to that lack of regulations leads to more trades ending in loss. A single professional trader can eat up many new traders in day trading.

Using a tighter stop loss is not a yardstick from not losing a trade as a day trader as you rightly mentioned in fact price will quickly hit a stop loss when trading volatile instruments.
A good strategy, perfect money management coupled with experience are prerequisite for making profit as a day trader however only a few trader can measured up to those criteria mentioned above while majority are the losers, the statistics by the OP is a fact that validates on my own personal experience which prompted my switching over to trade using a higher time frame with trades that last for days.

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sometimes trading if done continuously will not make a profit and will make you lose money. but I think now daily trading can only be done by professionals who already understand the science of trading in depth. so I think people who are still starting should start leaving daily trading because in the midst of the current unstable market situation, daily trading cannot be used as a good option

When the market is in sideways then it is the perfect time to start day trading but for beginners who didn't read the conditions well may not have to go with if they are willing to conserve their capital for long term.People who doing trading more often are not professionals,one who understand the condition and apply the best strategy to make reaps from the conditions are the best profitable traders.

Indeed. The person who are capable to get something out from any market conditions are the one who really knows how trading works. They are not rushing as they're looking for every potentials that they can get around this business. Things are not going to be easy but to those who are willing to take some good opportunities it will be possible to gain profits.

Observing the market in sideways will be much easier with the help of indicators but it doesn't mean it always move in that way,as someone who knows about trading risk they always take out profits much sooner and will keep doing that many times rather than waiting for the big candle to show up.

Secure profits anytime you do see greens is much more wiser rather or compared to wait up for a big green candle.Ive been doing this since when i do get involved with trading.
Its much preferable because anytime the price can change up its direction thats why you do need some sort of fast reaction when it comes to selling and buying opportunities and this is where traders do differ because profitability will always vary on how you do deal with it.Its hard but its not really impossible it will depend on how dedicated and experienced you are.

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sometimes trading if done continuously will not make a profit and will make you lose money. but I think now daily trading can only be done by professionals who already understand the science of trading in depth. so I think people who are still starting should start leaving daily trading because in the midst of the current unstable market situation, daily trading cannot be used as a good option

When the market is in sideways then it is the perfect time to start day trading but for beginners who didn't read the conditions well may not have to go with if they are willing to conserve their capital for long term.People who doing trading more often are not professionals,one who understand the condition and apply the best strategy to make reaps from the conditions are the best profitable traders.

Indeed. The person who are capable to get something out from any market conditions are the one who really knows how trading works. They are not rushing as they're looking for every potentials that they can get around this business. Things are not going to be easy but to those who are willing to take some good opportunities it will be possible to gain profits.

Observing the market in sideways will be much easier with the help of indicators but it doesn't mean it always move in that way,as someone who knows about trading risk they always take out profits much sooner and will keep doing that many times rather than waiting for the big candle to show up.

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Quote from: Julian ogan on October 09, 2019, 06:39:31 AM

I came across an article where researchers found that 3% of traders make money and with less than 1% making more than minimum wage.

A new study of day traders in Brazil 3 academics, 2 from the Sao Paulo School of Economics and another from the University of Sao Paulo, undertook a comprehensive analysis of options and futures day traders in local equity markets and shown that this is almost certain to be a total nonsense.

The academics looked at just under 20,000 new traders and found that, over time, they lost more and more money. Of those that traded for a single day, roughly 30% turned a profit. Conversely, only 3 percent of the people that traded for over 300 days made any money.

In fact, the researchers found that the longer that someone traded, the more money they lost. This pattern can be seen in the casino roulett, said the academics.

>> If day trading is not profitable, then why do people still do day trading?

How profitable day trading depends on many different factors, one such important factor is that it depends on how much capital a trader has. A 2% gain for a trader with $10k vs $100k USD makes a big difference and can spell the difference between becoming a successful full-time job or not.

But if we talk of Bitcoin alone, it does seem like long term investors have gained more than day traders.

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when a study states that every day trading more people make losses than profits, I feel there are several reasons why people are still trading daily.

1. Daily trading certainly will not take sides with individuals, so it's likely that everyone's potential for profit will still be there. even though many people lost, but some people still benefit from it.

2. Maybe another reason is because of habit. people who have high confidence about the analysis of a coin will make that person challenged to try daily trading, and make it a habit.

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sometimes trading if done continuously will not make a profit and will make you lose money. but I think now daily trading can only be done by professionals who already understand the science of trading in depth. so I think people who are still starting should start leaving daily trading because in the midst of the current unstable market situation, daily trading cannot be used as a good option

When the market is in sideways then it is the perfect time to start day trading but for beginners who didn't read the conditions well may not have to go with if they are willing to conserve their capital for long term.People who doing trading more often are not professionals,one who understand the condition and apply the best strategy to make reaps from the conditions are the best profitable traders.

Indeed. The person who are capable to get something out from any market conditions are the one who really knows how trading works. They are not rushing as they're looking for every potentials that they can get around this business. Things are not going to be easy but to those who are willing to take some good opportunities it will be possible to gain profits.

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Quote from: Julian ogan on October 09, 2019, 06:39:31 AM

I came across an article where researchers found that 3% of traders make money and with less than 1% making more than minimum wage.

A new study of day traders in Brazil 3 academics, 2 from the Sao Paulo School of Economics and another from the University of Sao Paulo, undertook a comprehensive analysis of options and futures day traders in local equity markets and shown that this is almost certain to be a total nonsense.

The academics looked at just under 20,000 new traders and found that, over time, they lost more and more money. Of those that traded for a single day, roughly 30% turned a profit. Conversely, only 3 percent of the people that traded for over 300 days made any money.

In fact, the researchers found that the longer that someone traded, the more money they lost. This pattern can be seen in the casino roulett, said the academics.

>> If day trading is not profitable, then why do people still do day trading?

Do bear in mind that this just a study and it hasn't been empirically investigated per say. I believe they conducted the study based on data made available to them. Now, Then to account - - those traders who keep their trading records private, the amount of exchanges. Don't forget that the article is centered around forex/stock trading. Day trading is quite profitable. Don't let anybody tell you otherwise. Since it's not thoroughly investigated, there's a research gap in that area.

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sometimes trading if done continuously will not make a profit and will make you lose money. but I think now daily trading can only be done by professionals who already understand the science of trading in depth. so I think people who are still starting should start leaving daily trading because in the midst of the current unstable market situation, daily trading cannot be used as a good option

When the market is in sideways then it is the perfect time to start day trading but for beginners who didn't read the conditions well may not have to go with if they are willing to conserve their capital for long term.People who doing trading more often are not professionals,one who understand the condition and apply the best strategy to make reaps from the conditions are the best profitable traders.

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Because of the high level of volatility and risk invloved in day trading i don't usually do it. I prefer to buy and hold for a long period of time till when it hits my target. By that means i am not under pressure which might cause me huge loss which most people incure from day trade

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The past year and this year have been unfavourable for the traders and many people have suffered loss which they were not expecting.And day trading is not for any trader but for expert and and trained traders who have knowledge about the market and some other special skills like judgement,decision making and speculatig the prices in the market.So we cant say it is unprofitable because people have earned huge profits through it so just avoid such wrong articles.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on October 10, 2019, 08:03:04 AM

We already know how hard is trading for average traders could make money in this. Even experts never find it a simple task but rather to consider this as a serious business deal. As I could think of the study, it is most likely that more than half of the average traders are included in the study which we know that they are not really capable of doing this. Thus, it appears that more traders are losing day by day instead of gaining some.

Well, daily trading is a job that requires a lot of highly specialized skills and a rich understanding, besides these important factors, the market that gives us support is also indispensable but unfortunately these elements only gather for a few days and then disappear, that makes the majority of day traders are losing more money, instead of earning, they are too blind to the goal every day. If people relax in psychology and switch to short-term trading, the chances of profit will be higher, every day is beyond our limits

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We already know how hard is trading for average traders could make money in this. Even experts never find it a simple task but rather to consider this as a serious business deal. As I could think of the study, it is most likely that more than half of the average traders are included in the study which we know that they are not really capable of doing this. Thus, it appears that more traders are losing day by day instead of gaining some.

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That is why I prefer a swing trader than day trader. And yeah the profit is not that big doing day trading and you will gonna analyze the market everyday and will just do a quick decisions which rather have an effect in trading. Especially if the coins you are trading is some altcoins that aren't profitable anyway. And we can't deny the fact that swing trader can be last for many days and it can take place in a period of time.

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It will depend, I tried day trading many times before way back 2017 I really earned more than I expect. Though now I do have regular job that its hard to be updated same with the market condition now but I guess we can still be profitable depending on when and how we watch and analyze the market, earnings will not depend on one group study. It will depends on our strategy, some are too skilled in day trading since they do it as their living now. I suggest we try it first and stop if not working on us so we can assess our capability in it.

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