New stupid/greedy move from Brave Browser - page 2.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on June 19, 2020, 10:27:21 PM

The extension you actually want is uBlock Origin. Both AdBlock and uBlock have commercial backers and interests, and will let through what they call "approved ads" for companies which pay them enough, whereas uBlock Origin does not. uBlock Origin is also faster and lighter on resources than the others.

I stand corrected. I meant uBlock Origin, I didn't know about the other uBlock.

Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on June 19, 2020, 10:27:21 PM

Ghostery is awful. They have a shady privacy policy which permits them to collect data on you, including every web page you visit, and permits them to serve you ads via "Ghostery Rewards". They have moved to a subscription model, meaning their free version is now very limited. It also doesn't do anything that you can't do with uBlock Origin.

Woah. I didn't know. I use the free version. I use Ghostery for many years, with no rewards and such. Back then when I started it was praised to be great. I guess that over time they made some poor/commercial decisions and I was not keeping pace with that. Also I didn't know that uBlock Origin is that powerful.
So.. bye-bye Ghostery. And a big thank you for the heads up.

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Quote from: TryNinja on June 18, 2020, 12:56:49 PM

AdBlock

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The extension you actually want is uBlock Origin. Both AdBlock and uBlock have commercial backers and interests, and will let through what they call "approved ads" for companies which pay them enough, whereas uBlock Origin does not. uBlock Origin is also faster and lighter on resources than the others.

Quote from: NeuroticFish on June 18, 2020, 02:01:06 PM

Ghostery

Ghostery is awful. They have a shady privacy policy which permits them to collect data on you, including every web page you visit, and permits them to serve you ads via "Ghostery Rewards". They have moved to a subscription model, meaning their free version is now very limited. It also doesn't do anything that you can't do with uBlock Origin.

I also wouldn't recommend Braver browser. All browsers based on Chromium, even those that have been stripped back to the bare minimum such as Ungoogled Chromium, still send some data to Google. It is unavoidable. Similarly, Braver browser will almost certainly have some remnants of privacy invading code from Brave left over in it. Although their intentions are good, I don't see the point of using a browser which has been built by two privacy invading companies and then attempted to be "sanitized" (so to speak), when you could just pick Firefox or Tor and know that you are clean from the start.

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Quote from: NeuroticFish on June 18, 2020, 02:01:06 PM

I'd add Braver Browser, it's something that wants to be the "clean" version of Brave.
And for blockers, uBlock and Ghostery may be worthy to the list.
BTW, I've switched to Firefox. It's old enough and robust enough.

Firefox is the longest browser I've ever heard, thanks for the advice. I turned to Brave, because I think many people say "Brave is good and safe". But this news lost my trust in Brave. They dare to do things that are inappropriate and I think this can extend to other things. Even though there is an apology and this can be arranged, I will not use Brave again.

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Quote from: TryNinja on June 18, 2020, 12:56:49 PM

Quote from: Luzin on June 18, 2020, 12:27:34 PM

I'm a brave browser user, I feel the benefits of their adblok. But I just found out about the ref link and some of the problems above. It seems like this makes me disappointed in Brave. What is the best browser? please give suggestion for me.

Every other major browser has support for extensions. There is no reason to use Brave only for an Adblock that is available everywhere. Firefox (being the best in my mind), Edge or Chrome - along with all other Chrominium based browsers, like Opera. HTTPS Everywhere, AdBlock, Privacy Badger, Metamask, etc... You can make your browser times better than Brave with the extensions you want. No KYC, no bs ads or token crap.

I'd add Braver Browser, it's something that wants to be the "clean" version of Brave.
And for blockers, ~~uBlock~~ uBlock Origin (!) and ~~Ghostery~~ (nope, Ghostery not good) may be worthy to the list.
BTW, I've switched to Firefox. It's old enough and robust enough.

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Quote from: Luzin on June 18, 2020, 12:27:34 PM

I'm a brave browser user, I feel the benefits of their adblok. But I just found out about the ref link and some of the problems above. It seems like this makes me disappointed in Brave. What is the best browser? please give suggestion for me.

Every other major browser has support for extensions. There is no reason to use Brave only for an Adblock that is available everywhere. Firefox (being the best in my mind), Edge or Chrome - along with all other Chrominium based browsers, like Opera. HTTPS Everywhere, AdBlock, Privacy Badger, Metamask, etc... You can make your browser times better than Brave with the extensions you want. No KYC, no bs ads or token crap.

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I'm a brave browser user, I feel the benefits of their adblok. But I just found out about the ref link and some of the problems above. It seems like this makes me disappointed in Brave. What is the best browser? please give suggestion for me.

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What the shit?! ew. I am not surprised but I am not happy about it either. First Kyc, now this, great. Soon before you know it, brave is going to end up being the bittrex of browsers. And we'll kinda be forced to go back to firefox/chrome(visible disgust) and maybe even edge.

fuck this shit im out.

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I didn't really like Brave browser since they started asking for KYC after promoting itself as the most private browser ever. Now they prove again that they are deceivers that may start stealing users info without even informing them or ask for permissions. However, like many others, i still use it in order to avoid ads without the need to install addons like with other browsers.
After reading all the comments above, i want to know if Firefox is a good alternative or does there other options?

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"The road to hell is paved with good intentions". This quote summarizes what happened with Brave IMHO. I used it since the beginning, it looked a very good alternative but today I have to study which is my alternative. I probably would use my old tweaked firefox.

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Brave browser might have started with good intentions a couple of years ago when they advertised it as a privacy focused browser but even then many experts were skeptical about its true intentions and even its reason for existence when we already have good browsers that can do the same thing (if not better) such as Firefox.

then after a very short time it started going on a downward spiral and lose that little trust it had when it started adding tokens, run ICO,... and finally the last nail in its coffin was the addition of KYC to an effing privacy oriented browser!!!

this recent attempt of pushing their own ref link is just coming from a copse of a browser. and that surprises me to see people are still using this garbage browser.

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I expect this type of thing from a browser. When you think of the amount of potential power you're handing to them by using their product it's mind boggling. It's a portal into your online entirety.

I would not have expected it from a browser that claimed to be your wee buddy on your side. It's a really stupid move on their part as it gobs on exactly the reasons many people took it on in the first place.

I'd much rather pay a browser that guaranteed certain standards of respect and behaviour.

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Quote from: cabron on June 06, 2020, 03:09:29 PM

Making money would be easy for them that way so I guess its going to be its normal behavior after all they partner up with binance. But it shouldn't be this bold though.
They could have been transparent to it. Possibly letting people know that registering through them could receive more benefits or so.

You're absolutely about brave been transparent about the ref issue but I'm not so surprised about this news because have been asking myself "how did brave browser dev maintain their product giving BAT to their broswer user, where are they getting the money" and with this information I'm not surprised.

Quote from: cabron on June 06, 2020, 03:09:29 PM

I'm not a Brave user but as far as I know, hackforum.net participated in developing the browser. Just so you know too.

I'm a brave browser users but i only use binance mobile app but what make you said hackforum participated in developing brave? Any evidence?

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I think the crypto community should understand by now that most online product owners/teams are not totally honest cause a couple of days back it was Google chrome incognito and now brave browser making money through their users and i think we need to re-examine brave browser so-called privacy browsing.

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Quote from: smyslov on June 07, 2020, 12:31:10 PM

So Brave is not in the league of Google, Opera and some of the top browsers in the internet, they should disable that and apologize to the community, it's cheap trick only low rate browser will do that, not a big project like Brave,this is something unexpected.

What do you exactly mean by not in the league? AFAIK, the two you mentioned are far worse when we talk about privacy. About the Binance referral, it's been the new default set up.

I was also surprised to see Binance, sponsored images, and recommended top sites when I updated to the latest version. I immediately went to the settings and disabled all that manually. Now I get to see a clean interface.

I can't remember if the google, other third party sites and social media (Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn) were disabled by default. If it's not, they can also be disabled manually.

Quote from: 1miau on June 07, 2020, 01:57:43 PM

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Sadly, this "privacy" browser has turned out to be an outright joke...
I'm curious what's next. Cry

It's been "commercialized".

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Quote from: smyslov on June 07, 2020, 12:31:10 PM

they should disable that and apologize to the community, it's cheap trick only low rate browser will do that

They did and you can disable it on the browser settings https://www.reddit.com/r/brave_browser/comments/gydbi6/referral_link_autocomplete_update_on_github/

This is not the first and would not be the last, these dubious tactics of theirs will bring them down, use firefox instead.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on June 07, 2020, 03:30:43 AM

Quote from: shield132 on June 06, 2020, 04:38:13 PM

When the browser itself redirects me to their referrals, how is my privacy protected

Yeah, it isn't. Their advertised headlines of being "privacy respecting" and "having no trackers" are demonstrably false.

Brave should change their promise to:

Sadly, this "privacy" browser has turned out to be an outright joke...
I'm curious what's next. Cry

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So Brave is not in the league of Google, Opera and some of the top browsers in the internet, they should disable that and apologize to the community, it's cheap trick only low rate browser will do that, not a big project like Brave,this is something unexpected.

People are going to look now for more referral links or redirection.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on June 06, 2020, 02:44:13 PM

Such a shame that such a promising project sold out their users for profit, just like the centralized exchange they partnered with.

All things do have corresponding price and a good project that we do believe on would turn out to the other side since they do have been paid up well.

They would be willing to ruin up its users trust because of it.Im not really that surprise though and actually this is a good find and im trying on other

exchange links but i didnt find any ref-code aside from Binance and same as you said that this one wont be the last.

Maybe they are experimenting, they can make big money from those referrals, is their coin not enough for them to make money that they are resorting to this, soon we will have all links with their referral links on them, there are other browsers, I'm using Becent, Opera and Edge but they are not implementing this, this can ruin their reputation.

Experimenting? This do simply imply that they are just too greedy. They do call themselves as privacy browser but do end up on integrating or inserting a referral link when users tends to visit out binance.

This kind of activity would surely ruin out their reputation specially to those users who are really giving out importance on its main feature.Just like me where i do appreciate this browser

but they do really pull off that kind of trust when i do discover this stuff. Its really a shame thing. If other browsers would intendly to do the same thing then they already have done it in the past
but they dont consider such shady act.

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@ o_e_l_e_o i'll look into those links, thanks.

Quote from: NeuroticFish on June 06, 2020, 04:40:34 PM

I did like its speed and in-built ad blocker.

Their ad blocker is decent, but not as good as uBlock Origin which gives you more customization. You can also get uBlock on Brave Browser, but if you're gonna install uBlock on Brave, you might as well get rid of Brave and install ublock on FF.

Quote from: tomahawk9 on June 06, 2020, 02:57:36 PM

But most probably I'll give another chance to Firefox, although I stopped liking it after it has disappointed me many many years ago.

I'm genuinely curious to know why exactly FF has disappointed you.

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Looks like they given up with their idealism (privacy and freedom).

To me it seems like the Brave Team wanted to use the privacy thing and the BAT reward system as a way to attract ppl from niche markets (privacy community and the crypto communty), but it didn't work so now they're selling out and doing some shady stuff. People thought Brave was going to disrupt the browser market and revolutionize the industry but at the of the day their top priority was the same as any other company: profits, and the privacy and crypto related features were secondary. That's not a bad thing (any company needs money), but like you said, the idealism, the "we care about your privacy & security" but then you go and do this "referral links" thing behind the scenes? That's just shitty behaviour.

IMO it's a matter of time before a big company buys Brave Software Inc. And I'm expecting a chinese company to be the one to purchase this browser, just like it happened to Opera^[1]...Heh, that takeover certainly didn't work out for Opera^[2].

1. https://www.engadget.com/2016-07-18-opera-browser-sold-to-a-chinese-consortium-for-600-million.html
2. https://www.extremetech.com/internet/305149-opera-accused-of-operating-predatory-loan-apps-on-android

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Quote from: shield132 on June 06, 2020, 04:38:13 PM

When the browser itself redirects me to their referrals, how is my privacy protected

Yeah, it isn't. Their advertised headlines of being "privacy respecting" and "having no trackers" are demonstrably false.

Quote from: shield132 on June 06, 2020, 04:38:13 PM

How can browser show me "relevant" ads and at the same time offer anonymity?

It can't. At the end of the day, Brave is an ad company. To serve you relevant ads, they must track and monitor your activity. This is antithetical to the entire concept of anonymity.

Quote from: Maus0728 on June 06, 2020, 10:45:21 PM

They also manage to put referrals from ledger, coinbase and trezor:
https://github.com/brave/brave-browser/issues/9302

Wow. You can't even type in "btc" without Brave trying to redirect you to their affiliate link. This feels like it has been designed by the kind of spammers you see on social media who write "review" articles or "guides" solely to spam their referral links.

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Unless the website is functionally broken when i use Firefox, i wouldn't use Brave (it's still far better than Google Chrome if you opt-out).

I use Tor or my custom hardened Firefox for most things, a clean Firefox install for the odd occasion my hardened Firefox totally breaks a site, and Ungoogle Chromium for the very rare occasion I need to use a Chromium based browser.

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