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I don't think this bill will ever be passed as this is just a bill. A bill has no power over the land because this law is just for discussion as of now. Be worried if this bill gets enough traction though as it could get ugly even for bitcoins. This is temporary as bitcoins and crypto is a threat to the status quo.

I'm from East Europe and I have read don't worry it's not a bill yet then next thing this banned or that banned! I have seen a bunch of things like that from America. So I give it 99.99% that there will be some anti-bitcoin regulation from America. I HOPE I'M WRONG this time, but I have never ever been wrong about these things because I figured out years ago that America does what my countries ex. communist use to dream of and they are very very good at it. I wish I'm wrong but I have never been wrong and I hate myself for realizing this, it's much better to be ignorant. Ignorance is bliss!
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I don't think this bill will ever be passed as this is just a bill. A bill has no power over the land because this law is just for discussion as of now. Be worried if this bill gets enough traction though as it could get ugly even for bitcoins. This is temporary as bitcoins and crypto is a threat to the status quo.
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Your crypto assets are never in any country, or on any device, they are on the blockchain.
That fact invalidates the classic definition of ownership, as all it takes to take control is a private key, which proves nothing.
These shit for brains politicians just don't comprehend how it works.
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Okay, but what if you are crossing the border with your assets in an online wallet and not a physical device?
Since it's untraceable and can be accessed anywhere, this law applies to owning. It doesn't say what happens if you have it in a cold wallet inaccessible.


Yes, but at some point assuming you want to have access to your coins and covert to other assets then the govt will be able to regulate what you do with them.  I am talking about a significant amount of coin and you not wanting to use dark alleys.

See my post above for more detail.
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Americans just like a disaster. That's why the ico are refuse those to investing on the ICOs. I mean if this is not a good news for us to hear the crypto will get regulate same as banker and another financial system.
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The stupid thing is I can leave bitcoin in my wallet at home. Cross the border into the United States with zero bitcoin in my phone wallet. Access my home computer remotely once in the US. Send my wallet phone in excess of $10,000 bitcoin.

When I'm crossing the border I can be totally truthful and state I am not carrying more than 10K worth of currency.

From what I was told from your Americans is that you can't do that because your country reads your email so you can't do that if you do then you go to jail. You are no longer free like your granddaddy was. Sorry Americans.

i don`t understand,even your country reads your email,how they know you tranfer your bitcoin after you cross the border?

My progressive/socialist/democrat country doesn't ask me at border yet to declare stuff like America does under penalty 10 years jail and our commies haven't put 5 people in jail for taxes yet your America has millions in jail. I hate that my country hates freedom and regulates everything but they suck at their job so I have more freedom right now then America problem is America is good at it and is forcing my country to take my freedom more and more which is happening slower then in America but we are all loosing freedom that is why I ask you America and uncle sam please go back to your old ways when you use to be a freedom loving country and lave me alone! Let me be free stop your anti-freedom regulations love the old bill of rights your grandfathers use to have! Is that to much to ask?

i think you are a little bit out of topic...the question is: how do they know you tranfer your cryptocurrency out of the country...any country..not just america.

I think I wrote it already, but I'll say it again:

1. They "protection/safety" software or whatever they call it that's on your computer finds you have crypto and then runs into the central database and flags you as crypto person
2. annual sofware compares database where you are flagged to the cross border where you checked you don't have crypto since you use "cold paper" as you posted here
3. investigator says you broke law becasue now they read your email see you have crypto and you are money laundering
4. you pleed guilty not to get 10 years get down to 1.5 years

Something like that.

But no not in America, this cna't happen but not from what I see in your movey I saw your actors say 20+ time patriot act lets me do read email so I imagine they do more then this. Problem is you force this on other countries that's what I don't like america why don't you leave the rest of the planet alone? My country is tyring to do the same they just suck at it don't put any more presure on them
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The stupid thing is I can leave bitcoin in my wallet at home. Cross the border into the United States with zero bitcoin in my phone wallet. Access my home computer remotely once in the US. Send my wallet phone in excess of $10,000 bitcoin.

When I'm crossing the border I can be totally truthful and state I am not carrying more than 10K worth of currency.

From what I was told from your Americans is that you can't do that because your country reads your email so you can't do that if you do then you go to jail. You are no longer free like your granddaddy was. Sorry Americans.

i don`t understand,even your country reads your email,how they know you tranfer your bitcoin after you cross the border?

My progressive/socialist/democrat country doesn't ask me at border yet to declare stuff like America does under penalty 10 years jail and our commies haven't put 5 people in jail for taxes yet your America has millions in jail. I hate that my country hates freedom and regulates everything but they suck at their job so I have more freedom right now then America problem is America is good at it and is forcing my country to take my freedom more and more which is happening slower then in America but we are all loosing freedom that is why I ask you America and uncle sam please go back to your old ways when you use to be a freedom loving country and lave me alone! Let me be free stop your anti-freedom regulations love the old bill of rights your grandfathers use to have! Is that to much to ask?

i think you are a little bit out of topic...the question is: how do they know you tranfer your cryptocurrency out of the country...any country..not just america.
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The stupid thing is I can leave bitcoin in my wallet at home. Cross the border into the United States with zero bitcoin in my phone wallet. Access my home computer remotely once in the US. Send my wallet phone in excess of $10,000 bitcoin.

When I'm crossing the border I can be totally truthful and state I am not carrying more than 10K worth of currency.

From what I was told from your Americans is that you can't do that because your country reads your email so you can't do that if you do then you go to jail. You are no longer free like your granddaddy was. Sorry Americans.

i don`t understand,even your country reads your email,how they know you tranfer your bitcoin after you cross the border?

My progressive/socialist/democrat country doesn't ask me at border yet to declare stuff like America does under penalty 10 years jail and our commies haven't put 5 people in jail for taxes yet your America has millions in jail. I hate that my country hates freedom and regulates everything but they suck at their job so I have more freedom right now then America problem is America is good at it and is forcing my country to take my freedom more and more which is happening slower then in America but we are all loosing freedom that is why I ask you America and uncle sam please go back to your old ways when you use to be a freedom loving country and lave me alone! Let me be free stop your anti-freedom regulations love the old bill of rights your grandfathers use to have! Is that to much to ask?

America was a free country when it was ran by progressives. From 1933 until the 1970s, then conservatism came and ruined it. Now the assholes that call themselves progressive are mostly right-wing.
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This law has no effect on price, fucking read before commenting. It does nothing to legal holders and you would be required to declare what you own over $10,000 when crossing the boarder.

So people who don't travel much are safe?

this bill is crap, it mean nothing for crypto. example is ARK, if you have 12 words passphrase for ARK you can print it out or remember it then come in/out to the U.S with hundred of millions with just this passphrase. just saying, whole ARK itself is not 100million yet.
HINT; to regulate crypto more affective is to regulate exchange like coinbase where bitcoin/fiat or fiat/bitcoin flow but then almost everywhere and everyone now is taking bitcoin


Bottom line, the problem with crypto if you have a lot is not buying it, it is converting it into other assets. Most will not want to do this down dark alleys, but will use exchanges to convert, which will easily be regulated by the govt and therefore controlled.   

Even now if you have a ton of coins then selling and converting into another asset is not simple and normally requires several steps assuming you are not selling BTC.  Many places such as counbase have limits on selling and withdrawing.  Yes, you can get them raised, but just more steps and again provides easy way for the govt to regulate.

As for declaring coins if the value is over $10k,sure you can delete wallets when crossing the border, but again for many this just adds more steps and complication.  In addition, it adds fear and if you get caught they will take it all.   


I don't think it will be hard for govt to regulate coins.  They don't have to regulate the whole system just specific points along the chain.   Coins that are designed to work around it will have a hard time getting listed on exchanges that are regulated.   Sure there will always be the black market it exists now in other assets, but mom and pop are not going to use it.
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The stupid thing is I can leave bitcoin in my wallet at home. Cross the border into the United States with zero bitcoin in my phone wallet. Access my home computer remotely once in the US. Send my wallet phone in excess of $10,000 bitcoin.

When I'm crossing the border I can be totally truthful and state I am not carrying more than 10K worth of currency.

From what I was told from your Americans is that you can't do that because your country reads your email so you can't do that if you do then you go to jail. You are no longer free like your granddaddy was. Sorry Americans.

i don`t understand,even your country reads your email,how they know you tranfer your bitcoin after you cross the border?

My progressive/socialist/democrat country doesn't ask me at border yet to declare stuff like America does under penalty 10 years jail and our commies haven't put 5 people in jail for taxes yet your America has millions in jail. I hate that my country hates freedom and regulates everything but they suck at their job so I have more freedom right now then America problem is America is good at it and is forcing my country to take my freedom more and more which is happening slower then in America but we are all loosing freedom that is why I ask you America and uncle sam please go back to your old ways when you use to be a freedom loving country and lave me alone! Let me be free stop your anti-freedom regulations love the old bill of rights your grandfathers use to have! Is that to much to ask?
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Okay, but what if you are crossing the border with your assets in an online wallet and not a physical device?
Since it's untraceable and can be accessed anywhere, this law applies to owning. It doesn't say what happens if you have it in a cold wallet inaccessible.
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Okay, but what if you are crossing the border with your assets in an online wallet and not a physical device?
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This law has no effect on price, fucking read before commenting. It does nothing to legal holders and you would be required to declare what you own over $10,000 when crossing the boarder.

So people who don't travel much are safe?

If you are cashing out cryptos and not declaring them on taxes this could also target you. Pretty lengthy prison sentence and hefty fines, plus civil forfeiture.
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The stupid thing is I can leave bitcoin in my wallet at home. Cross the border into the United States with zero bitcoin in my phone wallet. Access my home computer remotely once in the US. Send my wallet phone in excess of $10,000 bitcoin.

When I'm crossing the border I can be totally truthful and state I am not carrying more than 10K worth of currency.

From what I was told from your Americans is that you can't do that because your country reads your email so you can't do that if you do then you go to jail. You are no longer free like your granddaddy was. Sorry Americans.

i don`t understand,even your country reads your email,how they know you tranfer your bitcoin after you cross the border?
sr. member
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I'm investigating Crypto Projects
The stupid thing is I can leave bitcoin in my wallet at home. Cross the border into the United States with zero bitcoin in my phone wallet. Access my home computer remotely once in the US. Send my wallet phone in excess of $10,000 bitcoin.

When I'm crossing the border I can be totally truthful and state I am not carrying more than 10K worth of currency.

From what I was told from your Americans is that you can't do that because your country reads your email so you can't do that if you do then you go to jail. You are no longer free like your granddaddy was. Sorry Americans.
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American alt coiners want this law passed because your government knows where your money should be spent better than you do.

Yeah.. on all the exchanges that are US govt 3 letter agency complaint. (which is most of them)
Oh and many of the coins are too such as Ripple and any hosted at Github.
Need more ? Should i go on ?

Ok i will Wink

Hope you all paid your US & CAN taxes on your trade profits.. or risk going to jail.
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The stupid thing is I can leave bitcoin in my wallet at home. Cross the border into the United States with zero bitcoin in my phone wallet. Access my home computer remotely once in the US. Send my wallet phone in excess of $10,000 bitcoin.

When I'm crossing the border I can be totally truthful and state I am not carrying more than 10K worth of currency.
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America is not the world.

And this bill has not been passed by congress. Just a proposal that will most likely get thrown out.

I disagree with you. Just look at how much anti-freedom laws Americans have managed to inflict against their citizens and even me in East Europe, this is just looking during my short life. They keep marching forward twards whatever the hell this wicked agenda America is pushing so no, they will get this going if not this year then next year or next decade. I have never seen (in my life) good come out of america only wicked that steps over their citizens and they are way more effective and punishing freedom of their citzens they my commies ever were (I would take my comunist evil over amaerican any time, because my family was able to bribe them and not be as regulated but I hear Amerca if they catch you you in jail!  no bribing american enforcers they love to enforce! ).

Anyway I just want America to go back to the republic it use to be and leave the world alone! Thats what I want!
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America is not the world.

And this bill has not been passed by congress. Just a proposal that will most likely get thrown out.
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Well it's very good news for bitcoin holders as it will affect on bitcoin's popularity and value on the future.
Everything will be more anonymous and faster than using fiat but of course there will be disadvantage for example , terorist able to use bitcoin in more ways and variuous coin

There are political risks of ICO project, so many ICO projects don't accept buyer from American. I am not a American, I don't know why cryptocurrencies are not welcome in this conuty famous with freedom.

When I was a kid I grew up under the freedom hating communist and use to dream about going to America. Now I'm happy to live under the tyranny of freedom hating democrats/socialist (they are about 50% bad as Communists) but they are 3x more free then American government (maybe more then 3x) and I'm happy I'm not an American citizen, I got to live in the lesser evil.

Hey Uncle Sam, leave Bitcoin alone, mind your own business!
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