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November 10, 2015, 02:18:20 PM
#51
I suggest that posts in the off topic section dont have signatures enabled, i think we will see less spammers there
i know they will move to other boards but it will be easier to see spam in the other boards

your thoughts?
AFAIK most of the sig. campaigns do not already pay for the posts made in newbie section...............
You are correct but it is those from the campaigns that pay for posts from off-topic that make the most spam there
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November 07, 2015, 10:13:49 AM
#50
I suggest that posts in the off topic section dont have signatures enabled, i think we will see less spammers there
i know they will move to other boards but it will be easier to see spam in the other boards

your thoughts?
AFAIK most of the sig. campaigns do not already pay for the posts made in newbie section so it would be kind of a waste idea if you remove the signatures from off topic. And if you want to remove the signatures then why simply not remove the paid signatures from the whole forum?
Maybe because most of the posts made there are paid for by the few signature campaigns that pay for posts in that section, stop them from spamming there and they will have to migrate elsewhere where their spam would be easier to see and they will get banned
legendary
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November 06, 2015, 11:41:09 PM
#49
I suggest that posts in the off topic section dont have signatures enabled, i think we will see less spammers there
i know they will move to other boards but it will be easier to see spam in the other boards

your thoughts?
AFAIK most of the sig. campaigns do not already pay for the posts made in newbie section so it would be kind of a waste idea if you remove the signatures from off topic. And if you want to remove the signatures then why simply not remove the paid signatures from the whole forum?
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November 06, 2015, 04:01:24 PM
#48
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Exactly. Just look at what lengths determined trolls go to on here botting accounts etc. Shady or unethical businesses and scammers would buy up or create numerous accounts to silence any negative opinions or criticism. If signatures ever get banned or campaigns rates significantly drop in the future imagine all the accounts that will come on to the market when they have no use for them anymore. Even higher ranked accounts will be sold for next to nothing so it wouldn't be that difficult to buy up a shitload.

Considering that the person that created >>6000 accounts just to spam a link got hold of a handfull of accounts that are at or near the 4 seconds per post limit is really scarry. Its possible right now, but I assume they are not willing to dump the money required into it. If timed right it could stop the board for a few hours until someone is awake to handle it.

Well thats the thing, right now anyone could create accounts all the time to spam something or troll someone but it doesn't happen that often and when it happens it gets handled by the mods, i don't think the upvote system would be that easy to abuse and I doubt anyone would buy 100 accounts just to do it but whatever.

Only Newbies get handled quickly. For a while after the last hack higher ranked accounts pop up spamming, spreading links to malware etc. It often took several hours until someone was online able to handle it. I would guess paroler coverage against newbies is pretty close to 24/7.

I would also think that someone willing to write an automated system to run a lengthy spam attack against this board just because they have some beef with a bitcoin company should be considered very determined. If a Hero account could be gotten for 0.1 or even less it might be worth it for them to burn a few BTC on accounts.
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November 06, 2015, 03:56:21 PM
#47
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Exactly. Just look at what lengths determined trolls go to on here botting accounts etc. Shady or unethical businesses and scammers would buy up or create numerous accounts to silence any negative opinions or criticism. If signatures ever get banned or campaigns rates significantly drop in the future imagine all the accounts that will come on to the market when they have no use for them anymore. Even higher ranked accounts will be sold for next to nothing so it wouldn't be that difficult to buy up a shitload.

Considering that the person that created >>6000 accounts just to spam a link got hold of a handfull of accounts that are at or near the 4 seconds per post limit is really scarry. Its possible right now, but I assume they are not willing to dump the money required into it. If timed right it could stop the board for a few hours until someone is awake to handle it.

Well thats the thing, right now anyone could create accounts all the time to spam something or troll someone but it doesn't happen that often and when it happens it gets handled by the mods, i don't think the upvote system would be that easy to abuse and I doubt anyone would buy 100 accounts just to do it but whatever.
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November 06, 2015, 03:46:26 PM
#46
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Exactly. Just look at what lengths determined trolls go to on here botting accounts etc. Shady or unethical businesses and scammers would buy up or create numerous accounts to silence any negative opinions or criticism. If signatures ever get banned or campaigns rates significantly drop in the future imagine all the accounts that will come on to the market when they have no use for them anymore. Even higher ranked accounts will be sold for next to nothing so it wouldn't be that difficult to buy up a shitload.

Considering that the person that created >>6000 accounts just to spam a link got hold of a handfull of accounts that are at or near the 4 seconds per post limit is really scarry. Its possible right now, but I assume they are not willing to dump the money required into it. If timed right it could stop the board for a few hours until someone is awake to handle it.
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November 06, 2015, 02:11:51 PM
#45
Make that a post needs -100 votes to get hidden and only high ranks accounts, do you really think someone would buy 100 accounts or more if the other post has positive just to make it hidden because he doesnt like his opinion, come on now your arguments are really the worst shit I have ever read.

If a post requires a ridiculous number of votes to get removed then it would be almost useless anyway. How long do you think it would take a post to receive 100 votes? Ages if at all. Makes it even less likely if only higher ranked accounts can downvote things as well. And again, if a post is so bad that it is getting a lot of downvotes then it is likely against the rules and it can be reported and it will be dealt with, but if it's not against the rules a mob shouldn't be able to remove it.

Make that a post needs -100 votes to get hidden and only high ranks accounts, do you really think someone would buy 100 accounts or more if the other post has positive just to make it hidden because he doesnt like his opinion, come on now your arguments are really the worst shit I have ever read.
given that this forum is a pretty central place to discuss all things bitcoin related, you really think theres not a sliver of a chance that people might be willing to drop a few thousand doollars to control free speech on here? come back when you can make a solid argument instead of just lashing out.

Exactly. Just look at what lengths determined trolls go to on here botting accounts etc. Shady or unethical businesses and scammers would buy up or create numerous accounts to silence any negative opinions or criticism. If signatures ever get banned or campaigns rates significantly drop in the future imagine all the accounts that will come on to the market when they have no use for them anymore. Even higher ranked accounts will be sold for next to nothing so it wouldn't be that difficult to buy up a shitload.
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November 06, 2015, 01:54:55 PM
#44
It's not a good idea. It will easily be abused by people trying to censor others. Doesn't it already happen on reddit? If a post is bad or spam report it. You're basically giving regular users the ability to moderate the forum which is never a good idea.

It doesn't really happen on reddit, i have been browsing reddit for years and the downvotes are usually right and even if they are not it takes a lot of downvotes to hide someone's comment and even after that you can still show the comment anyways, it's not like it gets deleted.

There is an ignore button already, but a reddit system is IMHO not suitable for a discussion(!) board. It removes unpopular opinions. Yes I can do the extra click and read it, but over time most - me included - will just ignore it. I dont like the idea of a hive mind deciding what is worth to be seen and what not. I rare use the ignore function for the every same reason. I can spot a post not worth reading after I read the first (half-) sentence, but that user might have an interesting post from time to time.
it wouldnt be just unpopular opinions, it might extend to the opinions that dont agree with any single member of the forum that is willing to go far enough to make sure that train of thought is silenced. account trading here is more or less allowed here on the forum; whats going to stop a single person from buying up dozens of sock puppet accounts just so they can control the way speech works in the forum if such a system were to be implemented? it'd be a lot worse than the reddit hivemind imo.

Make that a post needs -100 votes to get hidden and only high ranks accounts, do you really think someone would buy 100 accounts or more if the other post has positive just to make it hidden because he doesnt like his opinion, come on now your arguments are really the worst shit I have ever read.
given that this forum is a pretty central place to discuss all things bitcoin related, you really think theres not a sliver of a chance that people might be willing to drop a few thousand doollars to control free speech on here? come back when you can make a solid argument instead of just lashing out.
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November 06, 2015, 01:39:07 PM
#43
Mall signature campaigns don't include off topic as part of payment so spamming there would
Be useless. Honestly it's not a big deal
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November 06, 2015, 01:37:34 PM
#42
It's not a good idea. It will easily be abused by people trying to censor others. Doesn't it already happen on reddit? If a post is bad or spam report it. You're basically giving regular users the ability to moderate the forum which is never a good idea.

It doesn't really happen on reddit, i have been browsing reddit for years and the downvotes are usually right and even if they are not it takes a lot of downvotes to hide someone's comment and even after that you can still show the comment anyways, it's not like it gets deleted.

There is an ignore button already, but a reddit system is IMHO not suitable for a discussion(!) board. It removes unpopular opinions. Yes I can do the extra click and read it, but over time most - me included - will just ignore it. I dont like the idea of a hive mind deciding what is worth to be seen and what not. I rare use the ignore function for the every same reason. I can spot a post not worth reading after I read the first (half-) sentence, but that user might have an interesting post from time to time.
it wouldnt be just unpopular opinions, it might extend to the opinions that dont agree with any single member of the forum that is willing to go far enough to make sure that train of thought is silenced. account trading here is more or less allowed here on the forum; whats going to stop a single person from buying up dozens of sock puppet accounts just so they can control the way speech works in the forum if such a system were to be implemented? it'd be a lot worse than the reddit hivemind imo.

Make that a post needs -100 votes to get hidden and only high ranks accounts, do you really think someone would buy 100 accounts or more if the other post has positive just to make it hidden because he doesnt like his opinion, come on now your arguments are really the worst shit I have ever read.
legendary
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November 06, 2015, 01:09:58 PM
#41
It's not a good idea. It will easily be abused by people trying to censor others. Doesn't it already happen on reddit? If a post is bad or spam report it. You're basically giving regular users the ability to moderate the forum which is never a good idea.

It doesn't really happen on reddit, i have been browsing reddit for years and the downvotes are usually right and even if they are not it takes a lot of downvotes to hide someone's comment and even after that you can still show the comment anyways, it's not like it gets deleted.

There is an ignore button already, but a reddit system is IMHO not suitable for a discussion(!) board. It removes unpopular opinions. Yes I can do the extra click and read it, but over time most - me included - will just ignore it. I dont like the idea of a hive mind deciding what is worth to be seen and what not. I rare use the ignore function for the every same reason. I can spot a post not worth reading after I read the first (half-) sentence, but that user might have an interesting post from time to time.
it wouldnt be just unpopular opinions, it might extend to the opinions that dont agree with any single member of the forum that is willing to go far enough to make sure that train of thought is silenced. account trading here is more or less allowed here on the forum; whats going to stop a single person from buying up dozens of sock puppet accounts just so they can control the way speech works in the forum if such a system were to be implemented? it'd be a lot worse than the reddit hivemind imo.
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November 06, 2015, 04:58:18 AM
#40
It's not a good idea. It will easily be abused by people trying to censor others. Doesn't it already happen on reddit? If a post is bad or spam report it. You're basically giving regular users the ability to moderate the forum which is never a good idea.

It doesn't really happen on reddit, i have been browsing reddit for years and the downvotes are usually right and even if they are not it takes a lot of downvotes to hide someone's comment and even after that you can still show the comment anyways, it's not like it gets deleted.

There is an ignore button already, but a reddit system is IMHO not suitable for a discussion(!) board. It removes unpopular opinions. Yes I can do the extra click and read it, but over time most - me included - will just ignore it. I dont like the idea of a hive mind deciding what is worth to be seen and what not. I rare use the ignore function for the every same reason. I can spot a post not worth reading after I read the first (half-) sentence, but that user might have an interesting post from time to time.
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November 06, 2015, 04:31:39 AM
#39
It's not a good idea. It will easily be abused by people trying to censor others. Doesn't it already happen on reddit? If a post is bad or spam report it. You're basically giving regular users the ability to moderate the forum which is never a good idea.

It doesn't really happen on reddit, i have been browsing reddit for years and the downvotes are usually right and even if they are not it takes a lot of downvotes to hide someone's comment and even after that you can still show the comment anyways, it's not like it gets deleted.
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November 06, 2015, 03:26:56 AM
#38
It's not a good idea. It will easily be abused by people trying to censor others. Doesn't it already happen on reddit? If a post is bad or spam report it. You're basically giving regular users the ability to moderate the forum which is never a good idea.
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November 06, 2015, 03:21:33 AM
#37
I wish someone with authority could disable signatures completely for everyone for some test period of time.
I want to see if that helps reduce spam on bitcointalk. Because from what I could see on other big boards, Reddit included, spam is still overwhelming there.

Would be an interesting experiment for sure. If signatures were banned shitposts and traffic would drastically decrease but there will always be spam and trolls. In fact, most of the disruptive  trolls here never have signatures. I think we need to crack down on shitposters though and hopefully just banning people who put no/minimal effort in will quickly get the idea. Campaign managers need to step up their game too and start moderating their participants.

Back then they had nothing to gain, now spammers are spamming with the intention to make money, cut down their most profitable board and they will surely get banned as spam is easier to catch when not in off-topic
cutting signatures completely would stop them indefinately
I recently rarely look what people post in off-topic, but I used to post there a lot in the past, it was fun. Restricting boards is not the answer, spam will likely move to the unrestricted sub boards.
I also don't think that off topic is so profitable since 95% signature campaigns do not pay for posts done in off top section.

Most campaigns don't pay for off topic but it's the ones that do that are causing the problem. Go look there and you will see all the shit posts are being made by people with a yobit signature because they can get away with easily spamming one word responses. Go look in games and rounds and you'll see it plastered with secondstrade sigs. Why? Because bizzarely they pay for that sub (and don't for off topic). Those campaigns are the worst offenders here because they don't do anything to actually manage their campaign and pay people automatically whatever drivel they post. Personally, I think those campaigns should be treated the same as sig spammers and banned as they're the ones causing it. Probably going to leave both campaigns negative feedback soon until they clean up their act but a ban will be more appropriate.

One solution may be to allow users to vote posts up or down, with posts that receive many down votes becoming hidden. Then adding an option to ignore all users with many negative posts. I've noticed some websites have such a system implemented in their comments section.

Wouldn't work and would easily be abused by people with bots and multiple accounts. If someone didn't like you or something you said then they would just use their alt army to downvote you. If people are obviously posting crap then they should just be temp banned until they get the message. If they don't then a perma ban should follow. I wouldn't be opposed to removing signatures entirely if my suggestions ultimately don't work but I think we can quickly get on top of spam  by both mods and signature campaign managers being more strict. If people aren't going to get paid for shitposts or banned for making them then they either will up their game or not bother making them at all.

Well the voting option may not be that bad, you could always make only full members and above to be able to vote posts, of course poeple can buy full members accounts but how man? Like if someone really hates you at most he is going to have 5 accounts and you could make 30 negative votes for a post to be hidden. Legendary members votes could also be worth more and people with good trust too, seriously this could be a good idea, it wont stop the spam but it would help and it's a simple thing to do.
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November 06, 2015, 03:06:22 AM
#36
I wish someone with authority could disable signatures completely for everyone for some test period of time.
I want to see if that helps reduce spam on bitcointalk. Because from what I could see on other big boards, Reddit included, spam is still overwhelming there.

Would be an interesting experiment for sure. If signatures were banned shitposts and traffic would drastically decrease but there will always be spam and trolls. In fact, most of the disruptive  trolls here never have signatures. I think we need to crack down on shitposters though and hopefully just banning people who put no/minimal effort in will quickly get the idea. Campaign managers need to step up their game too and start moderating their participants.

Back then they had nothing to gain, now spammers are spamming with the intention to make money, cut down their most profitable board and they will surely get banned as spam is easier to catch when not in off-topic
cutting signatures completely would stop them indefinately
I recently rarely look what people post in off-topic, but I used to post there a lot in the past, it was fun. Restricting boards is not the answer, spam will likely move to the unrestricted sub boards.
I also don't think that off topic is so profitable since 95% signature campaigns do not pay for posts done in off top section.

Most campaigns don't pay for off topic but it's the ones that do that are causing the problem. Go look there and you will see all the shit posts are being made by people with a yobit signature because they can get away with easily spamming one word responses. Go look in games and rounds and you'll see it plastered with secondstrade sigs. Why? Because bizzarely they pay for that sub (and don't for off topic). Those campaigns are the worst offenders here because they don't do anything to actually manage their campaign and pay people automatically whatever drivel they post. Personally, I think those campaigns should be treated the same as sig spammers and banned as they're the ones causing it. Probably going to leave both campaigns negative feedback soon until they clean up their act but a ban will be more appropriate.

One solution may be to allow users to vote posts up or down, with posts that receive many down votes becoming hidden. Then adding an option to ignore all users with many negative posts. I've noticed some websites have such a system implemented in their comments section.

Wouldn't work and would easily be abused by people with bots and multiple accounts. If someone didn't like you or something you said then they would just use their alt army to downvote you. If people are obviously posting crap then they should just be temp banned until they get the message. If they don't then a perma ban should follow. I wouldn't be opposed to removing signatures entirely if my suggestions ultimately don't work but I think we can quickly get on top of spam  by both mods and signature campaign managers being more strict. If people aren't going to get paid for shitposts or banned for making them then they either will up their game or not bother making them at all.
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November 05, 2015, 10:35:29 PM
#35
One solution may be to allow users to vote posts up or down, with posts that receive many down votes becoming hidden. Then adding an option to ignore all users with many negative posts. I've noticed some websites have such a system implemented in their comments section.

It would but when there were almost no signatures people posted crap too, i once got like 10 posts deleted in like 3 days and never got banned, of course no signature back then so really the sig campaigns have brought the spammers to atention but there were plenty of them back then

The quality of spam has gone down while the quantity of it has gone up since paid signatures have become popular. Obviously not every post is going to be a treasure trove of information. But if we had cheap posts back then, we got straight up knock-offs nowadays. Online money-making forums advertise posting on bitcointalk as a way to make money: http://thebot.net/threads/make-money-posting-on-btctalk.321232/

Of course, the 'Engrish' speakers on those sites see that opportunity and figure that it's more profitable than making 10 cents per 1000 captchas and descend upon here like hyenas on carrion. These aren't people like Mikestang who post here anyway and figure, 'why not get paid for what I already do?' Rather, they're only posting here because it's the best way for them to make money online. It's not very difficult to spot them either, especially since they become very defensive whenever someone calls them out.

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November 05, 2015, 07:55:46 PM
#34
Back then they had nothing to gain, now spammers are spamming with the intention to make money, cut down their most profitable board and they will surely get banned as spam is easier to catch when not in off-topic
cutting signatures completely would stop them indefinately
I recently rarely look what people post in off-topic, but I used to post there a lot in the past, it was fun. Restricting boards is not the answer, spam will likely move to the unrestricted sub boards.
I also don't think that off topic is so profitable since 95% signature campaigns do not pay for posts done in off top section.

Bitcointalk is now very big forum and spam will not end, no matter what. Even if you remove signature campaigns, spam is it is here to stay. They only answer is moderation.
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November 05, 2015, 07:25:26 PM
#33
I wish someone with authority could disable signatures completely for everyone for some test period of time.
I want to see if that helps reduce spam on bitcointalk. Because from what I could see on other big boards, Reddit included, spam is still overwhelming there.

It would but when there were almost no signatures people posted crap too, i once got like 10 posts deleted in like 3 days and never got banned, of course no signature back then so really the sig campaigns have brought the spammers to atention but there were plenty of them back then
Back then they had nothing to gain, now spammers are spamming with the intention to make money, cut down their most profitable board and they will surely get banned as spam is easier to catch when not in off-topic
cutting signatures completely would stop them indefinately
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November 05, 2015, 06:37:16 PM
#32
I wish someone with authority could disable signatures completely for everyone for some test period of time.
I want to see if that helps reduce spam on bitcointalk. Because from what I could see on other big boards, Reddit included, spam is still overwhelming there.

It would but when there were almost no signatures people posted crap too, i once got like 10 posts deleted in like 3 days and never got banned, of course no signature back then so really the sig campaigns have brought the spammers to atention but there were plenty of them back then
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