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legendary
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March 07, 2015, 05:14:29 PM
#14
To quote myself:
Ehh, I was a moderator luckily only for a few months with the whitelist system, and it was not fun. I remember going through newbie jail, I dont think it had a post requirement at the time, I just left Bitcointalk open for 4 hours and just went and did something else. I also delayed signing up for a few months, using a friends account because I didn't feel like going through newbie jail. People don't seem to realize that getting rid of newbie jail doesn't really change much, it just delays spammers/bots by 4 hours, so essentially after 4 hours of changing the newbie jail system, things would go back to normal. Anyway, report bots/spammers/account farmers if you see them. There are a few staff members who are really good at purging large numbers of spammers at once. Report one, and 20 will go away quickly.

Point being, newbie jail is a strain on the staff, and it doesn't do anything positive. The only people it interupts are the individuals with 1-2 accounts that are here to actually learn/discuss. A 4 hour waiting period doesn't discourage spammers, because they just make 20 accounts and wait for the accounts to get out of newbie jail in shifts.
So take that into account when setting up the rules. People want this. It's 14 to 2 at this point (the no activity troll doesn't count).
legendary
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Merit: 1278
March 07, 2015, 05:12:42 PM
#13
It's understandable why the newbie jail was removed.

It's a ridiculous barrier to new users that want to discuss about bitcoin for whatever reason and post in all sections right away.
With the bitcoin price crashing all last year I guess there is a lot less interest in bitcoin currently from new people. Putting another barrier like newbie jails or whatever means that the forum becomes even more deserted.


Anyone who is serious about bitcoin will be able to tolerate it. We don't need or want people with such a short attention span and inability to understand the point of it.

with all due respect, we all started from the inability to understand the point of bitcoin. we all started from no knowledge about bitcoin until today, so a barrier like newbie jail is a big no to this forum where people come to learn more about it
The first step is to read and ask questions. That's what the newbie forum is for. Or used to be for at some point, anyway.
legendary
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#Free market
March 07, 2015, 04:32:21 PM
#12
I voted yes for the simple reason that I have seen a lot of spammers bot. Everyday at least 20-30 spammers will sign up here and make a spam post in every off topic of each local board. I think the newbie jail will make this thing a little bit difficult but obviously will not resolve at 100% the problem.
legendary
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Welcome to the SaltySpitoon, how Tough are ya?
March 07, 2015, 04:05:05 PM
#11
To quote myself:
Ehh, I was a moderator luckily only for a few months with the whitelist system, and it was not fun. I remember going through newbie jail, I dont think it had a post requirement at the time, I just left Bitcointalk open for 4 hours and just went and did something else. I also delayed signing up for a few months, using a friends account because I didn't feel like going through newbie jail. People don't seem to realize that getting rid of newbie jail doesn't really change much, it just delays spammers/bots by 4 hours, so essentially after 4 hours of changing the newbie jail system, things would go back to normal. Anyway, report bots/spammers/account farmers if you see them. There are a few staff members who are really good at purging large numbers of spammers at once. Report one, and 20 will go away quickly.

Point being, newbie jail is a strain on the staff, and it doesn't do anything positive. The only people it interupts are the individuals with 1-2 accounts that are here to actually learn/discuss. A 4 hour waiting period doesn't discourage spammers, because they just make 20 accounts and wait for the accounts to get out of newbie jail in shifts.
legendary
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1000
March 07, 2015, 03:55:00 PM
#10
It's understandable why the newbie jail was removed.

It's a ridiculous barrier to new users that want to discuss about bitcoin for whatever reason and post in all sections right away.
With the bitcoin price crashing all last year I guess there is a lot less interest in bitcoin currently from new people. Putting another barrier like newbie jails or whatever means that the forum becomes even more deserted.


Anyone who is serious about bitcoin will be able to tolerate it. We don't need or want people with such a short attention span and inability to understand the point of it.

with all due respect, we all started from the inability to understand the point of bitcoin. we all started from no knowledge about bitcoin until today, so a barrier like newbie jail is a big no to this forum where people come to learn more about it
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1278
March 07, 2015, 03:30:54 PM
#9
It's understandable why the newbie jail was removed.

It's a ridiculous barrier to new users that want to discuss about bitcoin for whatever reason and post in all sections right away.
With the bitcoin price crashing all last year I guess there is a lot less interest in bitcoin currently from new people. Putting another barrier like newbie jails or whatever means that the forum becomes even more deserted.


Anyone who is serious about bitcoin will be able to tolerate it. We don't need or want people with such a short attention span and inability to understand the point of it.
legendary
Activity: 2268
Merit: 1278
March 07, 2015, 03:29:22 PM
#8
I often think the same thing, but sometimes i get smacked in the face with statements from certain newbie members that are obviously very intelligent ones,
so it seams rather harsh to judge every newbie the same way, maybe thats why the jail is removed in the first place ?
Anecdotes are useless. A statistical sample of one is not a statistic. This is about averages and signal to noise.
hero member
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Merit: 500
March 07, 2015, 03:26:47 PM
#7
It's understandable why the newbie jail was removed.

It's a ridiculous barrier to new users that want to discuss about bitcoin for whatever reason and post in all sections right away.
With the bitcoin price crashing all last year I guess there is a lot less interest in bitcoin currently from new people. Putting another barrier like newbie jails or whatever means that the forum becomes even more deserted.

hero member
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Merit: 1000
March 07, 2015, 03:25:25 PM
#6
I like the filter option, but I am sure that wouldn't be implemented until the new forum comes out. I doubt Theymos would open newbie jail again in the current forum either.
hero member
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March 07, 2015, 03:23:08 PM
#5
absolutely. There is and was nothing wrong with making 10 posts before posting a thread.
I went through it and I was surprised to see it was removed.
Plus it will cut down on the viagra spam littering the forums lately.
legendary
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Merit: 1000
Satoshi is rolling in his grave. #bitcoin
March 07, 2015, 03:22:45 PM
#4
This is to persuade Theymos to open newbie jail.
Secondbest option, IMO, would be status-based filtering. Instead of lengthy ignore list, being able to set something like "show legendary, heroes and seniors only".

I often think the same thing, but sometimes i get smacked in the face with statements from certain newbie members that are obviously very intelligent ones,
so it seams rather harsh to judge every newbie the same way, maybe thats why the jail is removed in the first place ?

Your proposal = help bitcoin become even more of a cult than what it already is.

It's all about freedom amirite? Newbie Jail? really?

U seriously opened new account just to do this ? I'm not even mad, that's amazing :]

cheers
legendary
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March 07, 2015, 03:19:39 PM
#3
Emphatic yes before even reading the op. Do it do it do it!
newbie
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March 07, 2015, 03:17:42 PM
#2
Your proposal = help bitcoin become even more of a cult than what it already is.

It's all about freedom amirite? Newbie Jail? really?
hero member
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Merit: 1000
Who's there?
March 07, 2015, 03:07:21 PM
#1
This is to persuade Theymos to open newbie jail.
Secondbest option, IMO, would be status-based filtering. Instead of lengthy ignore list, being able to set something like "show legendary, heroes and seniors only".


EDIT: By the results of the discussion I've changed my opinion:

-The best option is being able to use somebody else's black/white lists.
-The second best option is being able to set ignores by status (by clicking tick-boxes in your profile).
-The third best option is the newbie jail (that is comment from newbies go to separate thread).
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