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Topic: [Newbie scrutiny instead of jail] Every new user's first post: loyce.club/patrol - page 2. (Read 999 times)

LoyceV

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Quote from: Upgrade00 on December 14, 2020, 07:13:52 AM

I was considering a situation where hyperlink was used and it appeared as the personalized text not the original link, wasn't sure how exactly it would appear.

Good point, those require looking at the page source, or my archive.

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Well newbies can't post images, so na harm there I guess.

It could still be a link to malware (say a directory called image.jpg so the browser opens image.jpg/index.html) but I haven't seen them yet. If someone clicks an image link and gets malware, I expect them to be smart enough not to download it.

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By quotes, do you man quoted replies of others?

Yes. Apparently those use a different tag. That's fine, it links to the forum anyway.

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Quote from: LoyceV on December 14, 2020, 06:48:20 AM

Or just manually copy/paste the link into a browser

Thanks for the quick response. Of course manually copying and pasting would be the easiest response, but I was considering a situation where hyperlink was used and it appeared as the personalized text not the original link, wasn't sure how exactly it would appear.

Quote from: LoyceV on December 14, 2020, 06:48:20 AM

Update: quotes and image links are still clickable.

Well newbies can't post images, so na harm there I guess.
By quotes, do you man quoted replies of others?

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Quote from: FatFork on December 14, 2020, 05:59:12 AM

LoyceV, I like this idea very much. Can we have a timestamp (posting time) for each post as well?

I don't keep the exact time of each post, only the time I scrape it. This is usually a few seconds later. I've added it (Amsterdam time).

Quote from: Upgrade00 on December 14, 2020, 06:08:28 AM

Suggestion: Make links within posts un-clickable.

Done!
After some searching, I added the following code to loyce.club/patrol/theymos.css:

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/* The following code came from https://css-tricks.com/how-to-disable-links/ (so not from theymos) to disable accidentally clicking on potential phisting links */
.ul {
pointer-events: none;
}

I like this solution, the forum consistently uses , so I can quite easily disable all links without editing the original HTML-code for each post. Quote If someone is interested in the links posted they could follow the post number hyperlink back to the forum and check it here. If it is a spam post which would likely already be deleted, they can always check it on archive (although, there's little reason to want to do so). Or just manually copy/paste the link into a browser Update: quotes and image links are still clickable.

Upgrade00 legendary Activity: 2016 Merit: 2169 Professional Community manager Re: [Newbie scrutiny instead of jail] Every new user's first post: loyce.club/patrol December 14, 2020, 06:08:28 AM #20 Suggestion: Make links within posts un-clickable. Since this project was inspired by the wave of spam links being posted on the forum, it is likely that the first post of some of the new members would contain phishing or malware links, and scrolling through, especially on mobile a user can mistakenly click on one of such links. I do not know if it's possible but making links within tracked posts not clickable could help. If someone is interested in the links posted they could follow the post number hyperlink back to the forum and check it here. If it is a spam post which would likely already be deleted, they can always check it on archive (although, there's little reason to want to do so). FatFork legendary Activity: 1568 Merit: 2581 Top Crypto Casino Re: [Newbie scrutiny instead of jail] Every new user's first post: loyce.club/patrol December 14, 2020, 05:59:12 AM #19 LoyceV, I like this idea very much. Can we have a timestamp (posting time) for each post as well? It would be helpful to see the rate of new spam being generated. LoyceV legendary Activity: 3290 Merit: 16489 Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021 Re: [Newbie scrutiny instead of jail] Every new user's first post: loyce.club/patrol December 13, 2020, 03:07:10 PM #18 Quote from: wooI_Ioow on December 13, 2020, 12:42:58 PM Post 55819586 caught by tool is de facto from Legendary. A bug? No, it's the first post he made since I created this project. I show those. wooI_Ioow jr. member Activity: 39 Merit: 8 Re: [Newbie scrutiny instead of jail] Every new user's first post: loyce.club/patrol December 13, 2020, 12:42:58 PM #17 Post 55819586 caught by tool is de facto from Legendary. A bug? LoyceV legendary Activity: 3290 Merit: 16489 Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021 Re: [Newbie scrutiny instead of jail] Every new user's first post: loyce.club/patrol December 12, 2020, 06:23:01 AM #16 Quote from: mole0815 on December 11, 2020, 02:37:04 PM And if then really only the first posts are taken, the tool is a real asset ... thanks! It's not really their first post, but the first post they make since (a few hours before) I created this topic. It's currently down to showing about 50 posts per hour, I expect it to get a lot lower the coming days/weeks. Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on December 12, 2020, 12:14:58 AM IMO this is something that needs to be done via automation. Most spammers are using automation to make spam posts and the mods nuke *many* newbies. If you use automation, you can report posts automatically, and in the report note specifically state that the account should be reviewed to get nuked and that you are using a script to make the report. I can only dream of that I still don't have a reliable posting bot, so I can't automate reporting either. But if it's a bot anyway, MindlessElectron can take care of that without reporting. I agree it would be better to remove posts that have been deleted, but that requires a lot of scraping to check, while I didn't need any additional scraping to create the current version. Quote there is always the patrol. I barely use that because it's filled with bounty spam reports. That's allowed, but makes it harder to find spam that can be reported. I count a total of 3699 users posting until now mole0815 staff Activity: 2310 Merit: 2632 Join the world-leading crypto sportsbook NOW! Re: [Newbie scrutiny instead of jail] Every new user's first post: loyce.club/patrol December 12, 2020, 06:21:32 AM #15 Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on December 12, 2020, 12:14:58 AM Quote from: mole0815 on December 11, 2020, 02:37:04 PM Wow this is very helpful. As a FYI, there is always the patrol. Yes, of course I know that. Thanks! But the new/additional page offers a few nice features that makes it quite easier to work through PrimeNumber7 copper member Activity: 1610 Merit: 1898 Amazon Prime Member #7 Re: [Newbie scrutiny instead of jail] Every new user's first post: loyce.club/patrol December 12, 2020, 12:14:58 AM #14 Quote from: LoyceV on December 11, 2020, 04:45:19 AM IMO this is something that needs to be done via automation. Most spammers are using automation to make spam posts and the mods nuke *many* newbies. If you use automation, you can report posts automatically, and in the report note specifically state that the account should be reviewed to get nuked and that you are using a script to make the report. Quote from: mole0815 on December 11, 2020, 02:37:04 PM Wow this is very helpful. As a FYI, there is always the patrol. mole0815 staff Activity: 2310 Merit: 2632 Join the world-leading crypto sportsbook NOW! Re: [Newbie scrutiny instead of jail] Every new user's first post: loyce.club/patrol December 11, 2020, 02:37:04 PM #13 Wow this is very helpful. I guess you never run out of good ideas either Will visit the site more often and thanks to the shortcuts directly even more practical. And if then really only the first posts are taken, the tool is a real asset ... thanks! LoyceV legendary Activity: 3290 Merit: 16489 Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021 Re: [Newbie scrutiny instead of jail] Every new user's first post: loyce.club/patrol December 11, 2020, 06:48:57 AM #12 Quote from: Pmalek on December 11, 2020, 06:31:21 AM Eventually, these spammers will find out about this feature and understand that all they need to do to avoid it is to create one post that won't be considered spam, and after that they can continue with their routine. Instead of one, would you consider tracking the first 3 or 5 posts (and listing them one below the other) of each new user? I can add that when needed, but for now I prefer to keep the list short. It's always a cat and mouse game against spam, and I have no illusions this will stop them all. I did however already use it to report several posts that I wouldn't have reported without this. Pmalek legendary Activity: 2730 Merit: 7065 Farewell, Leo. You will be missed! Re: [Newbie scrutiny instead of jail] Every new user's first post: loyce.club/patrol December 11, 2020, 06:31:21 AM #11 I would have to agree with nullius regarding point #1. Eventually, these spammers will find out about this feature and understand that all they need to do to avoid it is to create one post that won't be considered spam, and after that they can continue with their routine. Instead of one, would you consider tracking the first 3 or 5 posts (and listing them one below the other) of each new user? Chances that they will go through the trouble of creating 3-4 legit posts before they start spamming are significantly lower. Quote from: RapTarX on December 10, 2020, 05:46:48 PM But it would be pretty good if it created new tab when we click on report or merit option. Otherwise, whenever I'm clicking on report, I'm going to the report page and then to the board the post was. But if your site would create a new tab when click on a link, anyone can easily report. Don't click on the merit/report button directly on the page, instead right click on it and open it in a new tab. That will take you straight to the merit or report window. LoyceV legendary Activity: 3290 Merit: 16489 Thick-Skinned Gang Leader and Golden Feather 2021 Re: [Newbie scrutiny instead of jail] Every new user's first post: loyce.club/patrol December 11, 2020, 04:45:19 AM #10 Quote from: Upgrade00 on December 10, 2020, 10:21:18 PM The loyce patrol page tracks first post of users only (subsequent posts are not tracked). It primarily targets new members. Correct, although it includes all old members too. The active users will all disappear from the list soon enough, but old users who wake up will still show up. Quote from: NotATether on December 11, 2020, 02:28:06 AM I think that for the link spam, you can filter all new posts that have at least 3 URLs in them and put them on a different page. I could, but for now I want to see how this turns out after most existing users disappear from the list. It was a quick fix the way it is, and I don't want this to turn into another one of my time-consuming projects. Quote from: PrimeNumber7 on December 11, 2020, 02:33:52 AM Unless your page will update when a user is nuked or a post is removed, it will result in a lot of duplication of work for anyone using your site to find spammers. At the moment, I don't check for banned users. I update my list of banned users once an hour, but it has an exception for users who recently posted. Modlog doesn't show time stamps, and I made this exception to remove unbanned users from my list again. I don't check for deleted posts. For now I just want to see if this turns out useful. Quote Someone could find hundreds of spammers on your page that have already been nuked. In that case stick to the top of the list only. nullius copper member Activity: 630 Merit: 2610 If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto! Re: [Newbie scrutiny instead of jail] Every new user's first post: loyce.club/patrol December 11, 2020, 03:19:44 AM #9 Objections: It won’t work. This is trivial for spambot authors to work around. All that a bot needs to do is to make one post which will have a high probability of passing human review from someone who is not following the thread in which the post is made. The old spammer trick of copying and pasting an earlier post in a long thread can be fully automated—as can a text spinner, to prevent catching that with a bot, too. It will result in overreporting of legitimate humans. Most people are injudicious. Most people will not use this only to report obvious spambot activity. Many people will apply their own biases when reporting; and moderators are not always perfect in filtering that out. This always happens; but I think that it will be worse when those biases are focused on every new user’s first post, especially since people using this will also suffer confirmation bias when they are looking for something bad. Use of this tool will bias the whole process to err toward the deletion of new users’ first posts. Unfun fact that I have not hereto mentioned: My own first post was trashed. I am still not sure why. There is a reason why I have oftentimes referred to “the first post in my post history”. My actual first post on this forum was deleted almost immediately. Given that experience, I know how discouraging it can be to a human with a Brand New account. I don’t expect for it to discourage the spambot authors. PrimeNumber7 copper member Activity: 1610 Merit: 1898 Amazon Prime Member #7 Re: [Newbie scrutiny instead of jail] Every new user's first post: loyce.club/patrol December 11, 2020, 02:33:52 AM #8 There are many new users whose posts are removed due to spam (among other reasons). It would probably not be uncommon for one spambot to create thousands of accounts that eventually get banned in a short period of time. Unless your page will update when a user is nuked or a post is removed, it will result in a lot of duplication of work for anyone using your site to find spammers. Someone could find hundreds of spammers on your page that have already been nuked. NotATether legendary Activity: 1568 Merit: 6660 bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org Re: [Newbie scrutiny instead of jail] Every new user's first post: loyce.club/patrol December 11, 2020, 02:28:06 AM #7 I think that for the link spam, you can filter all new posts that have at least 3 URLs in them and put them on a different page. It will help moderators find the spam sooner than just a bunch of reports. tranthidung legendary Activity: 2170 Merit: 3858 Re: [Newbie scrutiny instead of jail] Every new user's first post: loyce.club/patrol December 10, 2020, 10:27:23 PM #6 Quote from: Timelord2067 on December 10, 2020, 08:47:22 PM could the patrol page be narrowed down to a specific section (e.g. meta or reputation (not very good examples, but still...) ? ) ?? You have customization for patrol page. Please see Hidden pages/ features on the forum Quote from: tranthidung on April 25, 2020, 07:24:53 AM | Patrol | | | Recent posts | Last 100 recent posts (from all accounts) | | Patrol | Last 200 recent posts (from Newbie accounts) | | No-bounty patrol | Last 200 recent posts (from Newbie accounts (outside bounty threads) | | Customized recent posts | Last 100 recent posts (from all accounts) in a specific board (ex: 1 ~ Bitcoin discussion) | | No-bounty customized patrol | Last 200 recent posts (from Newbie accounts (outside bounty threads) (ex: 1 ~ Bitcoin discussion) | Upgrade00 legendary Activity: 2016 Merit: 2169 Professional Community manager Re: [Newbie scrutiny instead of jail] Every new user's first post: loyce.club/patrol December 10, 2020, 10:21:18 PM #5 Quote from: Timelord2067 on December 10, 2020, 08:47:22 PM I saw you posted a link to another patrol page: That's a link to the forum's default patrol page, it tracks posts of newbie ranked users, this would include all their posts and replies till they get the required activity and merit for the next rank. Go to forum profile information, you'll find the option to activate patrol link. The loyce patrol page tracks first post of users only (subsequent posts are not tracked). It primarily targets new members. From the topic title it follows the suggestions on some other thread about newbie scrutiny as an alternative to newbie jail. The tool would be used to analyze first posts and to determine which new accounts are possible bots and spammers. Timelord2067 legendary Activity: 3626 Merit: 2209 💲🏎️💨🚓 Re: [Newbie scrutiny instead of jail] Every new user's first post: loyce.club/patrol December 10, 2020, 08:47:22 PM #4 I saw you posted a link to another patrol page: Code: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=recent;patrol Can you just outline how your patrol page differs from the other? I'm still looking over that other one. could the patrol page be narrowed down to a specific section (e.g. meta or reputation (not very good examples, but still...) ? ) ??