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Topic: Newbies are free to choose the journey they will go - page 3. (Read 1008 times)

legendary
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I can't say I blame newcomers who turn up and instantly start raping this place. It takes time to figure out that many people care about it and get proper narked at those who don't. To a new arrival it's just another stop on the internet with some potential for mad gainz, most of which are gone now, for now at least.

When you take the time to digest what's here then it becomes a tad more nuanced. There's something more honest about someone who over time went from a shitposter to a valued member than some obsequious creep who instantly courts their audience.
It is very appropriate that those who are beginner are those who are very confused to start something right without making mistakes. Generally they will be very confused when they first get to know the forum and usually their first post here is a question.

When I was a beginner, I didnt even know what to do here before I got direction from other member. I began to ask them what to do. It is impossible for a beginner to be people who have a very good understanding of the rules and procedures of the forum correctly and if there are, I think they are not true beginner and they are someone alt.

Beginner should be welcomed here because they are the smallest part of the forum looking for an identity. As you said, spending a little time in the forum to learn and gain knowledge will give a different feel to anyone. I even felt that my forum trip ended when my ranking dropped to a beginner after the implementation of the merit system. But the awareness of the ability to rise has brought me here.
legendary
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I can't say I blame newcomers who turn up and instantly start raping this place. It takes time to figure out that many people care about it and get proper narked at those who don't. To a new arrival it's just another stop on the internet with some potential for mad gainz, most of which are gone now, for now at least.

When you take the time to digest what's here then it becomes a tad more nuanced. There's something more honest about someone who over time went from a shitposter to a valued member than some obsequious creep who instantly courts their audience.
legendary
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Beginners have different motivation to join this forum.
If they join this forum in order to learn more about btc,  technology etc. than I think others will be happy to support them with answers,  advices, merits...
It's obvious that many new members join this forum with only one motivation,  to earn some btc.
Of course that such new members can't expect support and help from other members.
We freely choose our way.
yes you are right, in this forum we are free to choose our own path. I also do not want to be hypocritical about the initial reason to join this forum because I want to get BTC and money from BTC sales obtained from various campaigns and airdrops. what I mean by members who deserve help is qualified beginner members and not concerned with how to get a lot of btc, but they also have a good contribution in this forum. The initial motivation of beginners who just want to get BTC is a general motivation that will occur to some or most beginners, it's still very reasonable.
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legendary
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Then they really are not into learning, after all. Obviously, if they cannot get or earn something worthy of their time and effort they will vanish. Probably, those people behind are roaming around the internet searching for something that they can juice out again. Such a waste, if they just instead used their effort and excessive time on a meaningful manner, they could achieve much amazing feats better than they usually do  Undecided.
There are only a few beginners who strive to learn to achieve good performance in the forum. So they can survive and can be good and useful members of this forum. Not just to find something they can juice again. They use the time in this forum well and contribute.

We as members who are already far above must support beginners with such thoughts, thoughts that want to advance and continue to be useful for this forum. providing some merit for quality posts will make them more enthusiastic.

Beginners have different motivation to join this forum.
If they join this forum in order to learn more about btc,  technology etc. than I think others will be happy to support them with answers,  advices, merits...
It's obvious that many new members join this forum with only one motivation,  to earn some btc.
Of course that such new members can't expect support and help from other members.
We freely choose our way.
legendary
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Then they really are not into learning, after all. Obviously, if they cannot get or earn something worthy of their time and effort they will vanish. Probably, those people behind are roaming around the internet searching for something that they can juice out again. Such a waste, if they just instead used their effort and excessive time on a meaningful manner, they could achieve much amazing feats better than they usually do  Undecided.
There are only a few beginners who strive to learn to achieve good performance in the forum. So they can survive and can be good and useful members of this forum. Not just to find something they can juice again. They use the time in this forum well and contribute.

We as members who are already far above must support beginners with such thoughts, thoughts that want to advance and continue to be useful for this forum. providing some merit for quality posts will make them more enthusiastic.
legendary
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One of the reason why newbies do those kind of things such as spamming, bounty hunters is because those who introduce about the crypto and the forum is not about the right introduction instead they are taught about how to earn money and made them think that this forum is good place to earn money as their main source of income which is not.
This is also what I heard in some people about Bitcointalk before.
But here is one guy who told me before when I was started to introduced in Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies that I should create my account here because this forum could help me to learn more about Bitcoin. But still, since I heard about some bounty campaigns here, I also think and tried those, but still, I still learning different things here in the forum.
hero member
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One of the reason why newbies do those kind of things such as spamming, bounty hunters is because those who introduce about the crypto and the forum is not about the right introduction instead they are taught about how to earn money and made them think that this forum is good place to earn money as their main source of income which is not.
legendary
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I think you have it all wrong, you do not have to pick a role for your membership on this forum, just be yourself. Remember this forum was created to answer people's questions about Bitcoin and also to stimulate discussions about Bitcoin and to brainstorm ideas that would improve it.

People come to this forum for different reasons, but the main goal should be to join here to gain knowledge about Bitcoin and also to share that knowledge with other members. Forget about all the role-playing games and just contribute constructively.  Wink
sr. member
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Wish for the rain? Then deal with the mud too.
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You shouldn't encourage newbies to earn merit via creating educational topic posts, because they are newbies, they will often fail to do so properly and will only introduce misconceptions.

Agree with this, they should be a reader of this topic first, not as a topic creator, cause they aren't really getting those educational post from themselves, maybe they will get it from an article, some tend to plagiarize just to create a certain post because in the first place they aren't really fully understand the topic they are creating. It may be true that they may learn from reading it but what if not. Its best to read first and acquire knowledge, when you have it then you can easily contribute to topics with quality post. And everything will follow. Forum members will see it through your post if you really know what you are talking about or you are just creating it because you are expecting something.

No he didn't. And I don't see any encouragement. Either way, it is still up for newbies if they'll forced themselves but I knew they would not assuming that they are the good members as mentioned  Smiley.
No. I don't encourage anyone. If you check my threads, some of them are simply questions when I needed help for my needs. Some questions are truly come from newbies. Anyhow, you nailed a point that newbies don't need to replicate anyone else. Just choose the things they like, have interests in and keep up their good works on such.

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But stepping again in 2018 until now, the bounty campaign seems to be no longer in demand anymore because many scammers are trying to deceive bounty hunters and members here. False ICOs and IEOs are increasingly numerous and cannot be controlled. This makes the scammers in this forum more and more beginners who end up inactive, because there is no definite source of income in this forum.
Those who are not active cannot compete and develop into members who is more productive and unable to rank.
Then they really are not into learning, after all. Obviously, if they cannot get or earn something worthy of their time and effort they will vanish. Probably, those people behind are roaming around the internet searching for something that they can juice out again. Such a waste, if they just instead used their effort and excessive time on a meaningful manner, they could achieve much amazing feats better than they usually do  Undecided.
legendary
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As a newbies, you have to choose the journey you want to go:
- Bounty hunters
- Spammers
- Scammers
- Good members.

In my opinion, basically the choices are only 2 options:
- Good members.
- Bad members.

You are good members if then you become good posters, help others, bring valuable things to the forum, or contribute other positive things. While you are bad members if then you become scammers, spammers, fraudsters, break forum rules, or other negative things. Regarding bounty hunters, it can be good or bad, depends on how you work on it. If you become bounty hunters and then it triggers you to spam the forum, you are classified as a bad member. But if you keep quality posts even if you are following a bounty, then you are still a good member. Well, it is also the same cases for being bounty managers, escrow providers, community managers, or other jobs in the forum. It depends on you to make it be a good one or a bad one.
legendary
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For sure this kind of decision was only common when there are a lot already using bitcointalk to some campaign of cryptocurrency projects like altcoins who starting their ICO in this forum, but for sure way back 2010 - 2015 maybe, those time is only for Bitcoin knowledge that wants a newbie need, since way back being a bounty hunter is still not so popular.

2010-2015 might be the year where beginners look for knowledge about cryptocurrency in this forum and bounty campaigns are still not very popular.
But in 2016-2017 which was the year I first entered the world of cryptocurrency, I found that year was where the bounty and airdrop campaigns were very popular. Most projects in that year were successful and achieved maximum results. I also get the maximum income for the year.

But stepping again in 2018 until now, the bounty campaign seems to be no longer in demand anymore because many scammers are trying to deceive bounty hunters and members here. False ICOs and IEOs are increasingly numerous and cannot be controlled. This makes the scammers in this forum more and more beginners who end up inactive, because there is no definite source of income in this forum.
Those who are not active cannot compete and develop into members who is more productive and unable to rank.
full member
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Agree with this, they should be a reader of this topic first, not as a topic creator, cause they aren't really getting those educational post from themselves, maybe they will get it from an article, some tend to plagiarize just to create a certain post because in the first place they aren't really fully understand the topic they are creating. It may be true that they may learn from reading it but what if not. Its best to read first and acquire knowledge, when you have it then you can easily contribute to topics with quality post. And everything will follow. Forum members will see it through your post if you really know what you are talking about or you are just creating it because you are expecting something.
hero member
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Not!. The first thing a newbie should do is go read the forum rules. After that if you are free to do what you want.
Intention before joining anything is important. Read rules is a next step of intention identification of one person. Without clear plan on what you are doing, you will not be able to do something good and well planned.

Rules are important and must read but it is not the first thing to do.
legendary
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Not!. The first thing a newbie should do is go read the forum rules. After that if you are free to do what you want.

You don't stop being a novice, ever. you are novice because you are simply in a section of the forum that you never use, when you get to your first post in that section, e.g. each section has its internal rules.

None of those stages you mention are rigid for a novice, the expert can go through them at any stage as a forum user.

Finally, common sense and try to add value to the conversations, that process is sometimes achieved, sometimes not, opinions are sometimes not right, but it is freedom of opinion joined to forum rules.
sr. member
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There is nothing needed to say if you choose the first three. If you fortunately and bravely to choose the last one, and want to go as good members the next thing you have to do is choosing the area you have interests in. It is important because you will more easily spend more time for that, and you will feel more comfortable to do so. It is your interests so your works with it will bring lots of fun back to you.
If someone would choose being a spammer and/or a scammer, then I don't know what they're thinking aside from wasting their time. This forum aims to give us knowledge about cryptocurrency and other related things and the least we can do to give back is to become a good member.

And by good member, that means following rules and doing your best to improve as part of your contribution in this community. It's somehow mutualism. You can help in making the forum cleaner and in turn, you allow yourself to learn new things and with commitment, you'll eventually become a master of your own craft.
legendary
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Totally true. Your destiny is on your hands, your mind and your decisions.
Of course, but sometimes the goodness is a bit vague at first because of the lack of awareness to get better. That's why I think all forum members will welcome anyone who wants to try to be better and start contributing to the community even if only by posting something constructive. A constructive and quality post is also a good effort to make the forum cleaner and it is not uncommon for such posts to be rewarded as a form of appreciation.

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You are right but most of bounty hunters are spammers. I guess 80% of bounty hunters are spammers.
The percentage may still be greater than 80% and I think it is around 90% of bounty hunter are those who are less concerned with the quality of posts. This is just my prediction based on what I found.

By the way, it is very difficult to read your replies when all other user responses are answered in one post. Its like looking at a wall of text. Sorry
hero member
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Well, you are right and as I have observed recently, most newbies are spammers they are spam their referral links in the forum and using different accounts to post on the topic aside from the OP. They deserve to get a reward, all of them have been nuked.
Such ones choose to use the forum in the shady and negative ways. Let they be what they want to be.
if they choose the fourth -good member- and not having the enthusiasm to spare head it, can leave them in the remaining three especially the second -spammers-
In a short summary, -newbies- work and the rest is history
If they want to be good, and start their works, don't give up, they will become good members definitely. I don't see why they will become spammers.
I don't think that new members explicitly choose to be spammers or bounty hunters instead of being good members, and as for scammers, those people aren't actually newbies, they probably have dozens of other accounts, some maybe even with higher ranks.

Some users who started as shitposters eventually changed their ways and became very valuable users, this is because when you posts are good, they will get merited without people going through your post history to check if you are worthy.
Scammers can be experienced scammers or newbie scammers. Newbie good members, newbie scammers like so. Shitposters and scammers can change to be good members, I agree with you on this opinion. However, scammers don't change to be good members. They love the ways the live as scammers and love the way the earn money by scam the others.
Spam is usually a direct result of the first; bounty hunting especially when it's done with no regard for the forum; enlisting multiple accounts and posting simply to fulfil your post count can cause a serious spam problem as is seen in some boards.
The position one takes is really down to how the forum was presented to them when they learnt about it and also how much they are willing to read and gain knowledge.
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Forum members would likely transition through various stages. Scammers however, could be bounty hunters, spammers or even high quality posters, and are usually unrepentant.
There are many different reasons why members join the forum and spam. People can change from bad to good but not all of them will change like that. Indeed, very small percent of them will change positively like that.
The choice is indeed in their hands. But being a good member will have a more positive impact to be able to achieve a high Rank and be able to participate in the BTC Signature Campaign which has more potential to pay consistently. At the moment I am also focused on developing my account and becoming a good and useful member of this forum.
Knowledge is what most important good members will get from their good works. What are good works? Such works can contribute good information, are helpful and users will spend decent times and efforts to build up their good works. From such journey, they learn more. After that, other members will contribute and somehow help them to learn more. More knowledge will be gotten for good members.
I rarely see someone really new on this forum, even rarer to find a new guy who acts like a normal member to learn about Bitcoin.
Likely similar as people who consider themselves as bitcoin investors but don't know any basic about bitcoin. Some consider themselves as bitcoin enthusiasts but don't know how to install and use a bitcoin wallet. What they care indeed is money.
I wouldn't put bounty hunters & spammers in the same pool with scammers. I would expect very new members to believe BitcoinTalk is a literal job and a way to get a Bitcoin in no time, just as I probably thought when I first registered on here. Even for older bounty hunters the reason why they aren't seen as normal/good members on here is still a question mark.
I put them into different groups but there are some of users will do multitasks: scam, spam, bounty hunt. Your other words are true, I agree.
Everyone has the right to choose their own path in the forum and will never be forced. Being a good member who contributes is a choice and those are things that are highly recommended by the forum and users because that will make us individual who have benefit for the forum and users.
Totally true. Your destiny is on your hands, your mind and your decisions.
For sure this kind of decision was only common when there are a lot already using bitcointalk to some campaign of cryptocurrency projects like altcoins who starting their ICO in this forum, but for sure way back 2010 - 2015 maybe, those time is only for Bitcoin knowledge that wants a newbie need, since way back being a bounty hunter is still not so popular.
I don't know because I was not here in 2010 or 2015.
Almost every Newbie is here to earn money through Bounties. Earning in bounties is not that good nowadays therefore they resort to spamming and when they get caught and get banned they would create a new ID to scam other members.
Good earnings from bounties or bad earnings, it does not matter. You can earn thousands of dollars from bounties but you won't get any far and wont' get rich with it.
I like how you separate the other 3 from good members. My favorite type of member is the Builder. Someone who creates something, the more innovative and existent on the blockchain the better.
It is.
legendary
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Many will come here to earn at first, unlike before we go here to gain knowledge about bitcoin as its community been a good place to share thoughts and ideas about new discoveries and related crypto websites or products that been known in crypto.
Basically forum and users never prohibit anyone from earning money here because this forum is intended to discuss about bitcoin as well as a place to promote product, sites or platforms, especially with bounty program or signature campaign. Its just that many bounty participant ignore things that can make them better because they are too focused on earning income so they dont seem to care about the quality and function of the forum as a place to get knowledge.

I think if they can make these two things balanced then there wont be a problem to solve. Getting income from promoting sites on the "signature campaign" forum can also be categorized as a form of bonus for those who contribute. But in reality we can see that there are very many bounty participant who are signature spammer on various board and that is totally useless for forum and users. There is a wrong perception about them and that must be able to change and start learning to be a good user.
hero member
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As beginners they will choose their destination to become a bounty hunter, because what they know is that Bounty will produce more with many projects that can be followed. and some bounty hunters will become spammers who will brutally carry out all bounty tasks.

The choice is indeed in their hands. But being a good member will have a more positive impact to be able to achieve a high Rank and be able to participate in the BTC Signature Campaign which has more potential to pay consistently. At the moment I am also focused on developing my account and becoming a good and useful member of this forum.

Many will come here to earn at first, unlike before we go here to gain knowledge about bitcoin as its community been a good place to share thoughts and ideas about new discoveries and related crypto websites or products that been known in crypto. But since many know that we were able to earn from here before many take it as an advantage to do bounty hunting thru spamming, hopefully newbies not here to scam. Those who do scam maybe are already here even before and see it as a room to do their bad intentions. Newbies and truly beginners here in forum should be more observant than ever.
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