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Winklevoss Twin says,

"The next BTC bull run will be dramatically different. Today, there's exponentially more capital, human capital, infrastructure and high quality projects than in 2017. Not to mention the very real specter of inflation that all fiat regimes face going forward. Buckle up!"

The full article is here, https://cointelegraph.com/news/winklevoss-twin-next-bitcoin-bull-run-will-be-dramatically-different/amp
We actually have few projects then on like now that we have several good projects that are sharing the capital that may flow into the cryptocurrency market. It might not going to be strength up this time around as it happened in 2017 but we should still expect bull dominant again.
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Bitcoin pumping fomo will always remain but pump  will happen today or tomorrow. So that’s how market works pump folloed by a correction or dump even more pump.         
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There will be a lot of FOMO this time around and the way things is looking now, we might have all time high before the end of this year.
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There is a part of adoption that can't happen because of the fundamental stuff in bitcoin. For starters when you spend fiat money in a place it could be cash or credit and you will give the money to other people very instantly and you will spend basically a tiny amount for profit, whereas when you are using bitcoin it could be as high as 10 bucks just for transaction that could take over an hour.

So, I am sorry but adoption could never happen in these situations, there is no way that people could use bitcoin all over the world for purchasing stuff since its definitely an inferior way of spending money.

We all love bitcoin here on bitcointalk but in order for it to become better, we need to make it better somehow and make it faster and cheaper and I mean a lot more faster, like under 30 seconds fast, and cheaper as in 10 cents or lower per transaction.
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The most important thing is the percentage.
there are more capital, human capital, infrastructure and high quality projects than in 2017, BUT, we need more money to take the same %profit, the amount to reach x20 of the last ATH is HUGE.
We will see profit, but not like the last bullrun

A common assumption, and one I disagree. Keep in mind, price is determined by both supply and demand. By focusing only on the amount of money needed to sustain the market, you are actually assuming static supply. What happens during bubbles: supply on exchanges exponentially decreases.

Very few people account for that phenomenon. When everyone is refusing to sell their coins, the potential gains are nearly limitless, at least during the temporary and short-lived blow off top.
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Every bitcoin bull run season comes with her own level of volatility. This year bull season might be quite different from 2017 bull run. Whereas we'll be able to see a steady increase in price after the bull run not as 2017 steady decrease in price after the bull season has commenced for a while, making people to lose their whole investment
As they say, fundamentals are getting stronger this time and the growth that we're seeing is no longer be called a bubble. There's an actual growth that we can compare to the past bull runs that we have.

It's true that this time, there will be a difference from the last ones.

It sure is three years and so many things have happened, so many projects come and go so many companies and institutions adopted Cryptocurrency and investors are more aware and educated, the landscape is very much different from what we had back 2017 so we expect the next bull run will be very much different from the one we last have, we could experience a more longer bull run.
The investors that have experienced the bulls and bears can be said as experienced and educated. But, the new investors that are keep coming can also experience the same struggle like the others or like what we did before.


I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. There is always "actual growth" during bull markets, this time isn't different. Every bull market has had exponential actual growth, as can be measured by how the bottoms increase by orders of magnitude each cycle: ~$2, (~$65 if we're counting the mini 2013 cycle), ~$200, ~$3100. And yea its not in a bubble right now, just as in 2016 when the price was building up through the mid to high 3 digits it wasn't a bubble.  But you can be sure that in the next year or two once the price starts shooting up to the mid-to-high 5 digits, and maybe even to $100k, that will be a bubble, just as there was in 2017, 2013, 2011...

It's true that this time, it's gonna be the same as every other bitcoin market cycle. So, no, this time isn't different.
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Every bitcoin bull run season comes with her own level of volatility. This year bull season might be quite different from 2017 bull run. Whereas we'll be able to see a steady increase in price after the bull run not as 2017 steady decrease in price after the bull season has commenced for a while, making people to lose their whole investment
As they say, fundamentals are getting stronger this time and the growth that we're seeing is no longer be called a bubble. There's an actual growth that we can compare to the past bull runs that we have.

It's true that this time, there will be a difference from the last ones.
Hopefully, that can change the bitcoin price to the high price because we finally see $11k again, and maybe that is the sign for us that bitcoin will be touching the other highest price. But unfortunately, there is no right information about when bitcoin price will get the next bull run, so we need to wait for more to see it's happening. The next bitcoin bull run will be different than the last one, and I am sure that we will see bitcoin price will break more than $20k soon.
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Winklevoss Twin says,

"The next BTC bull run will be dramatically different. Today, there's exponentially more capital, human capital, infrastructure and high quality projects than in 2017. Not to mention the very real specter of inflation that all fiat regimes face going forward. Buckle up!"

The full article is here, https://cointelegraph.com/news/winklevoss-twin-next-bitcoin-bull-run-will-be-dramatically-different/amp
that's good news, but I also always analyze and see every market response when after the bitcoin halving event, I've also analyzed that the price of bitcoin will be really surprising for the next time, I think a year after the halving will see the price of bitcoin will really take a new ATH from the previous
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“It’s different this time.”

It’s almost always the same. Don’t fight fractals.
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Every bitcoin bull run season comes with her own level of volatility. This year bull season might be quite different from 2017 bull run. Whereas we'll be able to see a steady increase in price after the bull run not as 2017 steady decrease in price after the bull season has commenced for a while, making people to lose their whole investment
As they say, fundamentals are getting stronger this time and the growth that we're seeing is no longer be called a bubble. There's an actual growth that we can compare to the past bull runs that we have.

It's true that this time, there will be a difference from the last ones.

It sure is three years and so many things have happened, so many projects come and go so many companies and institutions adopted Cryptocurrency and investors are more aware and educated, the landscape is very much different from what we had back 2017 so we expect the next bull run will be very much different from the one we last have, we could experience a more longer bull run.
The investors that have experienced the bulls and bears can be said as experienced and educated. But, the new investors that are keep coming can also experience the same struggle like the others or like what we did before.
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2017 was marked by the dollar index decline almost throughout the whole year, since that doesnt occur every year thats what Im watching out for this time.   Just recently Dollar has declined after during March registering a richter scale type movement back and forth tracing lows and highs as understandably volatility was apparent in world trade and debt trading.
    I'm more interested in common terms between rallys perhaps on a different magnitude but DXY was down to a new low today and if it continues below say 25 that'd put us into a similar trend decline dollar value that was evident during the BTC rally of 2017.

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Just one thing to focus on for BTC to propagate across the general population and its simplicity.   The product has to be less obstructive, convenience will determine success I think, when BTC becomes less remarkable at least in its requirements then ironically it will be more useful to most
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Every bitcoin bull run season comes with her own level of volatility. This year bull season might be quite different from 2017 bull run. Whereas we'll be able to see a steady increase in price after the bull run not as 2017 steady decrease in price after the bull season has commenced for a while, making people to lose their whole investment
^ Of course, there is, it will not probably repeat itself with the same movement. But there is something that we are sure, bitcoin price bull run will surge more than what happened on year 2017. This is the most anticipated and awaited moment in most bitcoin holders, they want bull run and it will dramatically different for every movement. Nevertheless, bitcoin dominance will also make arises altcoin prices and move significantly when bitcoin will increase the price.
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Every bitcoin bull run season comes with her own level of volatility. This year bull season might be quite different from 2017 bull run. Whereas we'll be able to see a steady increase in price after the bull run not as 2017 steady decrease in price after the bull season has commenced for a while, making people to lose their whole investment
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Winklevoss Twin says,

"The next BTC bull run will be dramatically different. Today, there's exponentially more capital, human capital, infrastructure and high quality projects than in 2017. Not to mention the very real specter of inflation that all fiat regimes face going forward. Buckle up!"

The full article is here, https://cointelegraph.com/news/winklevoss-twin-next-bitcoin-bull-run-will-be-dramatically-different/amp
That is something I think as well, the next bull run is going to be world shattering, when bitcoin went from 1k to 20k that was important but it was still seen as a major bubble begin created by geeks, the next bull run is going to change fundamentally the way we understand bitcoin and this market in general, and with institutional investors getting in the market and pumping billions of dollars to it I believe 100k could be a kind of a low prediction about the new heights bitcoin will reach.
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Yeah that is probably what they mean. I don't see a reason to expect it though. I actually thought at the end of 2017 we were at that point (which is why I didn't sell around $20k haha) and I thought after a decent correction the price would just keep going up as we reached the backbone of that S-curve. But after I witnessed yet another normal full blown bitcoin crash I realized that will just keep happening unless we get to the point where use and spending of Bitcoin is way simpler than it was in 2017 or than it is now, since it's roughly the same still.

I think adoption is less about Bitcoin's fundamental improvements and more about people's changing perceptions about the value of money.

As long as the driving thesis behind owning bitcoin by the populace is to make money - whether from a store of value, speculative trading, economic hedge, etc point of view - we're going to continue to see these booms where the market gets way overbought, followed by busts in which a lot of the new people run away and don't return for a few years.

I definitely see no end in sight as far as volatility goes, and until mass adoption actually occurs, I see no end to these speculative market cycles either. However, I think it's important to note that Bitcoin's price is a direct reflection of adoption. So if that mass adoption scenario occurs, we should expect the resulting price increase to greatly surpass the magnitude of past cycles.

I think FOMO and panic outweigh people's changing perceptions about the value money. By which I just mean the speculative market will continue the boom/crash cycle so there won't just be some turning point where we hit the vertical part of the S-curve and Bitcoin goes from say $50k to $500k and stays there without crashing.

I just think we'll continue to see the same cycles and nothing will be dramatically different, in that every market cycle the bitcoin converts will grow a lot, and more big monied interests will join, but also every cycle most of the new people who bought in late in the bull run that led to the huge price movement will leave out of despair after they lose money on the crash. I also think long term store of value and speculative investment play will remain the main driving market forces, possibly forever, but at least until the market is so large (like perhaps around the market cap of Gold) that its volatility has gone way down and perhaps at that point it will be spent more instead of just to get rich off of, as volatility going down means getting rich is no longer possible but also spending is easier.

Anyway, yeah infrastructure is continuing to improve and there is actual Wall St infrastructure now and Bitcoin is now regularly talked about in finance circles and financial media, but I think all of that was just the natural growth for the point we are at and required to take the next step up from 4 digits being the norm to will into 5 digits being the norm. I don't think people's fundamental ideas on Bitcoin are going to change, but we're just gonna get the normal order of magnitude or so increase in the number of people who have some Bitcoin between say 2022 and 2018.

The cycle will still continue until such time where BTC is going to be one of the rarest that bitcoin might not be the coins we get to be paid in bitcointalk marketing. So far the price still is low and its stil going tobe used as speculative investment that price correction will drives us wherever it goes.

Even if the price will hit 50K this time but after some time when its overbought, speculators like you will soon dump before everybody else does.


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Yeah that is probably what they mean. I don't see a reason to expect it though. I actually thought at the end of 2017 we were at that point (which is why I didn't sell around $20k haha) and I thought after a decent correction the price would just keep going up as we reached the backbone of that S-curve. But after I witnessed yet another normal full blown bitcoin crash I realized that will just keep happening unless we get to the point where use and spending of Bitcoin is way simpler than it was in 2017 or than it is now, since it's roughly the same still.

I think adoption is less about Bitcoin's fundamental improvements and more about people's changing perceptions about the value of money.

As long as the driving thesis behind owning bitcoin by the populace is to make money - whether from a store of value, speculative trading, economic hedge, etc point of view - we're going to continue to see these booms where the market gets way overbought, followed by busts in which a lot of the new people run away and don't return for a few years.

I definitely see no end in sight as far as volatility goes, and until mass adoption actually occurs, I see no end to these speculative market cycles either. However, I think it's important to note that Bitcoin's price is a direct reflection of adoption. So if that mass adoption scenario occurs, we should expect the resulting price increase to greatly surpass the magnitude of past cycles.

I think FOMO and panic outweigh people's changing perceptions about the value money. By which I just mean the speculative market will continue the boom/crash cycle so there won't just be some turning point where we hit the vertical part of the S-curve and Bitcoin goes from say $50k to $500k and stays there without crashing.

I just think we'll continue to see the same cycles and nothing will be dramatically different, in that every market cycle the bitcoin converts will grow a lot, and more big monied interests will join, but also every cycle most of the new people who bought in late in the bull run that led to the huge price movement will leave out of despair after they lose money on the crash. I also think long term store of value and speculative investment play will remain the main driving market forces, possibly forever, but at least until the market is so large (like perhaps around the market cap of Gold) that its volatility has gone way down and perhaps at that point it will be spent more instead of just to get rich off of, as volatility going down means getting rich is no longer possible but also spending is easier.

Anyway, yeah infrastructure is continuing to improve and there is actual Wall St infrastructure now and Bitcoin is now regularly talked about in finance circles and financial media, but I think all of that was just the natural growth for the point we are at and required to take the next step up from 4 digits being the norm to will into 5 digits being the norm. I don't think people's fundamental ideas on Bitcoin are going to change, but we're just gonna get the normal order of magnitude or so increase in the number of people who have some Bitcoin between say 2022 and 2018.
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It sure is three years and so many things have happened, so many projects come and go so many companies and institutions adopted Cryptocurrency and investors are more aware and educated, the landscape is very much different from what we had back 2017 so we expect the next bull run will be very much different from the one we last have, we could experience a more longer bull run.
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The most important thing is the percentage.
there are more capital, human capital, infrastructure and high quality projects than in 2017, BUT, we need more money to take the same %profit, the amount to reach x20 of the last ATH is HUGE.
We will see profit, but not like the last bullrun
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Considering how the crypto market is growing, the bull run of Bitcoin will not be as the same as 2017. Personally, I don't really see a bull run of Bitcoin like 2017. Looking at the Bitcoin market from 2018 to now, the bull run will be like a 10% increase in the previous market value of Bitcoin and the market might drop in few days after the rise.  I don't think there will be any dramatic different as stated by Winklevoss Twin in as much that there are more capital, infrastructure and better projects.  People have learnt to understand the bitcoin market. Due to that, the next bull run of  Bitcoin will not be significantly huge as before.

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Bitcoin Bull run will be completely different this time. Like 2017 it won't shoot to a new all time high straight away but this time it will go step by step. I accept it to reach till 25k by the end of this year or early next year.
It will be a baby steps, More ups means more down. Every breaking of resistance is a must if 15k uss will be able to reach before the end of September, there will be a possibility for more than that but if not reaching 15k will be already hard after this setback, but if there is a news to help breaking another miles then it can change the graph more but not like how the 2017 pump happen.
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Considering how the crypto market is growing, the bull run of Bitcoin will not be as the same as 2017. Personally, I don't really see a bull run of Bitcoin like 2017. Looking at the Bitcoin market from 2018 to now, the bull run will be like a 10% increase in the previous market value of Bitcoin and the market might drop in few days after the rise.  I don't think there will be any dramatic different as stated by Winklevoss Twin in as much that there are more capital, infrastructure and better projects.  People have learnt to understand the bitcoin market. Due to that, the next bull run of  Bitcoin will not be significantly huge as before.

I agree too

Bitcoin Bull run will be completely different this time. Like 2017 it won't shoot to a new all time high straight away but this time it will go step by step. I accept it to reach till 25k by the end of this year or early next year.
In fact, in 2017, the rise in prices for cryptocurrency was due to completely different reasons and therefore the current period is very different from the past. Recently, the fact that cryptocurrency prices are more stable and at the same time are steadily rising has been very noticeable. And if you take into account last year's halving, then according to historical indicators, you need to expect at least a year before Bitcoin actively begins to rise in price after halving 2020, that is, somewhere in July 2021.
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