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sr. member
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December 31, 2014, 09:49:41 PM
#51
I expect the "reward halving" to have a significant, negative impact on large mining operations. Another way to phrase this is "income halving" (in terms of bitcoins). Virtually everything that goes into a mining operation is priced in fiat (USD for me). That means electricity, hardware, staff salaries, cooling and so forth. Unless bitcoin doubles in value, a large operation will likely lose half it's "income", and have zero reduction in it's cost of operation. Show that to any large industrial operation (e.g. auto manufacturer), and they will all say it's time to do something drastic (e.g. close plants, lay off folks, etc).

I don't see how a large bitcoin mining operation can avoid this, unless they start to "wind down" in some way prior to "reward halving".

it would be beautiful to see the global harshrate plummet and difficulty along with it.
The block subsidy halving is not going to be any kind of surprise. People who are considering to buy an additional (or first) miner are gong to take the upcoming reduced block subsidy into consideration.

I would think we will start to see the consequences of the lower block reward early this year (2015) as many miners will not expect to ROI for at least a year under good conditions
legendary
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#Free market
December 31, 2014, 05:50:45 PM
#50
In the beginning : the mining was only for support the network , but now it is only a question of money. I really would like to see what will happen before~after the next halving ( at the end of 2016).
newbie
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Merit: 0
December 31, 2014, 11:39:44 AM
#49
I expect the "reward halving" to have a significant, negative impact on large mining operations. Another way to phrase this is "income halving" (in terms of bitcoins). Virtually everything that goes into a mining operation is priced in fiat (USD for me). That means electricity, hardware, staff salaries, cooling and so forth. Unless bitcoin doubles in value, a large operation will likely lose half it's "income", and have zero reduction in it's cost of operation. Show that to any large industrial operation (e.g. auto manufacturer), and they will all say it's time to do something drastic (e.g. close plants, lay off folks, etc).

I don't see how a large bitcoin mining operation can avoid this, unless they start to "wind down" in some way prior to "reward halving".

it would be beautiful to see the global harshrate plummet and difficulty along with it.

Or price to rise.

When you have a lot of GHS it is always great to see the difficulty going down Grin

no no, price needs to drop.  If the price rises more big investors will see it as profitable to set up large mining operations with high end equipment that will just push the at-home mining further out of the picture.

Now if the price dropped to $150 today we'd see a few PHs worth of machines shut down tomorrow.  Then the difficulty would drop and someone with 2 antminer S1s in their closet will finally have a reason to turn them back on
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December 31, 2014, 06:29:02 AM
#48
I'd trust the dollar if new ones were printed at a predictable and measured rate, too. They aren't though, and that's the reason why Bitcoin is a better store of value over a longer period of time, regardless of how bad it has been over the last year.

I guesss thats one big advantage bitcoin has to it . Can't be printed in excess and there is always a count to it.
There aren't any fake coins as well.
member
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December 31, 2014, 06:28:06 AM
#47
I expect the "reward halving" to have a significant, negative impact on large mining operations. Another way to phrase this is "income halving" (in terms of bitcoins). Virtually everything that goes into a mining operation is priced in fiat (USD for me). That means electricity, hardware, staff salaries, cooling and so forth. Unless bitcoin doubles in value, a large operation will likely lose half it's "income", and have zero reduction in it's cost of operation. Show that to any large industrial operation (e.g. auto manufacturer), and they will all say it's time to do something drastic (e.g. close plants, lay off folks, etc).

I don't see how a large bitcoin mining operation can avoid this, unless they start to "wind down" in some way prior to "reward halving".

it would be beautiful to see the global harshrate plummet and difficulty along with it.

however, what is more likely to happen:

a) small miners switch off their euipment, hashrate and difficulty down

b) miners sell their gear to consortiums who can still make money based on economies of scale
hero member
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Merit: 500
December 31, 2014, 06:16:37 AM
#46
I expect the "reward halving" to have a significant, negative impact on large mining operations. Another way to phrase this is "income halving" (in terms of bitcoins). Virtually everything that goes into a mining operation is priced in fiat (USD for me). That means electricity, hardware, staff salaries, cooling and so forth. Unless bitcoin doubles in value, a large operation will likely lose half it's "income", and have zero reduction in it's cost of operation. Show that to any large industrial operation (e.g. auto manufacturer), and they will all say it's time to do something drastic (e.g. close plants, lay off folks, etc).

I don't see how a large bitcoin mining operation can avoid this, unless they start to "wind down" in some way prior to "reward halving".

it would be beautiful to see the global harshrate plummet and difficulty along with it.

Or price to rise.

When you have a lot of GHS it is always great to see the difficulty going down Grin
newbie
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Merit: 0
December 30, 2014, 11:47:02 PM
#45
I expect the "reward halving" to have a significant, negative impact on large mining operations. Another way to phrase this is "income halving" (in terms of bitcoins). Virtually everything that goes into a mining operation is priced in fiat (USD for me). That means electricity, hardware, staff salaries, cooling and so forth. Unless bitcoin doubles in value, a large operation will likely lose half it's "income", and have zero reduction in it's cost of operation. Show that to any large industrial operation (e.g. auto manufacturer), and they will all say it's time to do something drastic (e.g. close plants, lay off folks, etc).

I don't see how a large bitcoin mining operation can avoid this, unless they start to "wind down" in some way prior to "reward halving".

it would be beautiful to see the global harshrate plummet and difficulty along with it.
alh
legendary
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December 30, 2014, 09:19:54 PM
#44
I expect the "reward halving" to have a significant, negative impact on large mining operations. Another way to phrase this is "income halving" (in terms of bitcoins). Virtually everything that goes into a mining operation is priced in fiat (USD for me). That means electricity, hardware, staff salaries, cooling and so forth. Unless bitcoin doubles in value, a large operation will likely lose half it's "income", and have zero reduction in it's cost of operation. Show that to any large industrial operation (e.g. auto manufacturer), and they will all say it's time to do something drastic (e.g. close plants, lay off folks, etc).

I don't see how a large bitcoin mining operation can avoid this, unless they start to "wind down" in some way prior to "reward halving".
donator
Activity: 1419
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December 30, 2014, 05:57:52 PM
#43
I'd trust the dollar if new ones were printed at a predictable and measured rate, too. They aren't though, and that's the reason why Bitcoin is a better store of value over a longer period of time, regardless of how bad it has been over the last year.
sr. member
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December 29, 2014, 10:11:21 PM
#42
well its going to be more difficult to mine them so I would have to think its going to go up.
legendary
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SpacePirate.io
December 29, 2014, 09:24:34 PM
#41
i just want to say that all the miners are ruining bitcoin just like how the federal reserve ruined the dollar.

Well, technically I think it was Congress in 1933 and then Nixon in '71.... Either way, bitcoin is much better.  I think mining is what led to bitcoin being a success and gaining greater popularity. However, the great ASIC race kind of ruined things too :|
hero member
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December 29, 2014, 03:49:59 PM
#40
i just want to say that all the miners are ruining bitcoin just like how the federal reserve ruined the dollar.

I don't think that you understand what miners are doing-they are basically transaction validators.
Without mining there is NO BITCOIN.

No,i get it the miners are the ones who make the bitcoin or I should use the term "generate".

Just like how the federal reserve prints their currency.
It was awesome in the beginning and everything but now people are just milking the system out of greed.
And it shows,look at bitcoin as it stays low 300s like a B list pornstar. This is terrible.

I don't think that you understand how bitcoin works in general. Bitcoin emission is a mathematical algorithm; it does not matter if there are 10 or 10000 or 1000000 miners (greed or no greed). The same amount of bitcoin is issued regardless (at the current block size=25 BTC right now) every ten minutes no matter what as long as there is a functional network.

Yes the same amount of bitcoins is created : 3600BTC/day right now wether you have 1 miner or billions of miners. If the price is low and there are many miners, the maintenance costs are higher in BTC terms.


Any idea on hpow much do the miners bear for the cost of mining 1 bitcoin?

and approximately how much profit they make on an average?

It is hard to tell you how much profit you can get but you will have some answers here at current difficulty : https://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty

100GHS earns 0.00008922/week 0.0003824/month - maintenance costs
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December 29, 2014, 03:22:46 PM
#39
i just want to say that all the miners are ruining bitcoin just like how the federal reserve ruined the dollar.

I don't think that you understand what miners are doing-they are basically transaction validators.
Without mining there is NO BITCOIN.

No,i get it the miners are the ones who make the bitcoin or I should use the term "generate".

Just like how the federal reserve prints their currency.
It was awesome in the beginning and everything but now people are just milking the system out of greed.
And it shows,look at bitcoin as it stays low 300s like a B list pornstar. This is terrible.

I don't think that you understand how bitcoin works in general. Bitcoin emission is a mathematical algorithm; it does not matter if there are 10 or 10000 or 1000000 miners (greed or no greed). The same amount of bitcoin is issued regardless (at the current block size=25 BTC right now) every ten minutes no matter what as long as there is a functional network.

Yes the same amount of bitcoins is created : 3600BTC/day right now wether you have 1 miner or billions of miners. If the price is low and there are many miners, the maintenance costs are higher in BTC terms.


Any idea on hpow much do the miners bear for the cost of mining 1 bitcoin?

and approximately how much profit they make on an average?
hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 500
December 29, 2014, 01:57:01 PM
#38
i just want to say that all the miners are ruining bitcoin just like how the federal reserve ruined the dollar.

I don't think that you understand what miners are doing-they are basically transaction validators.
Without mining there is NO BITCOIN.

No,i get it the miners are the ones who make the bitcoin or I should use the term "generate".

Just like how the federal reserve prints their currency.
It was awesome in the beginning and everything but now people are just milking the system out of greed.
And it shows,look at bitcoin as it stays low 300s like a B list pornstar. This is terrible.

I don't think that you understand how bitcoin works in general. Bitcoin emission is a mathematical algorithm; it does not matter if there are 10 or 10000 or 1000000 miners (greed or no greed). The same amount of bitcoin is issued regardless (at the current block size=25 BTC right now) every ten minutes no matter what as long as there is a functional network.

Yes the same amount of bitcoins is created : 3600BTC/day right now wether you have 1 miner or billions of miners. If the price is low and there are many miners, the maintenance costs are higher in BTC terms.
legendary
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December 29, 2014, 12:34:41 PM
#37
i just want to say that all the miners are ruining bitcoin just like how the federal reserve ruined the dollar.

I don't think that you understand what miners are doing-they are basically transaction validators.
Without mining there is NO BITCOIN.

No,i get it the miners are the ones who make the bitcoin or I should use the term "generate".

Just like how the federal reserve prints their currency.
It was awesome in the beginning and everything but now people are just milking the system out of greed.
And it shows,look at bitcoin as it stays low 300s like a B list pornstar. This is terrible.

I don't think that you understand how bitcoin works in general. Bitcoin emission is a mathematical algorithm; it does not matter if there are 10 or 10000 or 1000000 miners (greed or no greed). The same amount of bitcoin is issued regardless (at the current block size=25 BTC right now) every ten minutes no matter what as long as there is a functional network.
hero member
Activity: 1022
Merit: 500
December 28, 2014, 04:37:59 PM
#36
What do you think will happen in 2016 when the next halving is going to happen ?

1. Bitcoin will keep almost same price, and miners will just get half the BTC.

2. Even tho we will mine half bitcoins, bitcoin price will explode just because it's harder to mine.

Which one you belive is more probable to happen ?

i believe that point 2 would happen.
after the reward halving some more people need to buy bitcoin, that increases the demand. (assuming that they need bitcoin!)
because it would be less profitable for the most to run a miner efficient.

Miners will have half less bitcoins to sell on the markets but the same maintenance costs which is bullish for the price.
How is it bullish? Wouldn't it be rather good, as the price would go up, as less sellers would be there?

That's exactly what he meant by "bullish".

Bear market Vs Bull market:

http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/129.asp

Yes it is what I meant, bullish means the price will go up
legendary
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December 28, 2014, 03:07:08 PM
#35
What do you think will happen in 2016 when the next halving is going to happen ?

1. Bitcoin will keep almost same price, and miners will just get half the BTC.

2. Even tho we will mine half bitcoins, bitcoin price will explode just because it's harder to mine.

Which one you belive is more probable to happen ?

i believe that point 2 would happen.
after the reward halving some more people need to buy bitcoin, that increases the demand. (assuming that they need bitcoin!)
because it would be less profitable for the most to run a miner efficient.

Miners will have half less bitcoins to sell on the markets but the same maintenance costs which is bullish for the price.
How is it bullish? Wouldn't it be rather good, as the price would go up, as less sellers would be there?

That's exactly what he meant by "bullish".

Bear market Vs Bull market:

http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/129.asp
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December 28, 2014, 01:28:36 PM
#34
What do you think will happen in 2016 when the next halving is going to happen ?

1. Bitcoin will keep almost same price, and miners will just get half the BTC.

2. Even tho we will mine half bitcoins, bitcoin price will explode just because it's harder to mine.

Which one you belive is more probable to happen ?

i believe that point 2 would happen.
after the reward halving some more people need to buy bitcoin, that increases the demand. (assuming that they need bitcoin!)
because it would be less profitable for the most to run a miner efficient.

Miners will have half less bitcoins to sell on the markets but the same maintenance costs which is bullish for the price.
How is it bullish? Wouldn't it be rather good, as the price would go up, as less sellers would be there?
legendary
Activity: 3248
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December 28, 2014, 08:54:41 AM
#33
The halving will have, approximately, the following 3 effects:

1. The Bitcoin price will go up by 26%
2. The difficulty will go down by 20%
3. The revenue per hash will go down by 20% (something which miners need to consider in the decisions they are doing now).

Of course, all 3 can also be affected by factors unrelated to the halving.

Very, very difficult to predict, but this is a very reasonable guess.

those seems random number to be honest

personally i think there will be a pump long before the havling then a price correction, aka dump, but we will get a better value compared to the current one
hero member
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December 28, 2014, 07:43:20 AM
#32
What do you think will happen in 2016 when the next halving is going to happen ?

1. Bitcoin will keep almost same price, and miners will just get half the BTC.

2. Even tho we will mine half bitcoins, bitcoin price will explode just because it's harder to mine.

Which one you belive is more probable to happen ?

i believe that point 2 would happen.
after the reward halving some more people need to buy bitcoin, that increases the demand. (assuming that they need bitcoin!)
because it would be less profitable for the most to run a miner efficient.

Miners will have half less bitcoins to sell on the markets but the same maintenance costs which is bullish for the price.
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