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Quote from: nutildah on August 03, 2022, 05:58:09 AM

nobody can take your NFT if you are the only one who holds the private key for the address at which it is stored

That is the same as saying "Nobody can take your baseball card's receipt". Okay, sure. I've stated I own the hash, but isn't the card the product?

Quote from: nutildah on August 03, 2022, 05:58:09 AM

- NFT metadata can be permanently locked so it can't be altered, and there are certainly ways to figure out if it is still editable.

The only thing that can't be altered is the hash's ownership. The image can be used for any purpose with no owner's permission.

Quote from: nutildah on August 03, 2022, 05:58:09 AM

There's a multi-hundred-million dollar industry that revolves around crypto collectibles. People value them regardless of whether or not they provide "tangible benefits."

Scraping the barrel, aren't we? Tongue

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Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on August 03, 2022, 05:28:45 AM

Quote from: nutildah on August 01, 2022, 11:11:47 AM

You understand that old sports cards have value, right?

Flawed comparison.

Old sport cards have a physical beingness, oppose to digital images of old sport cards. Nobody can take my baseball card, view it, change it, touch it, play with it etc, without my permission. On the other hand, the person who sold me the NFT, and every other person who does have the image/video, can and have every right to do those things, because there's no law that forbids it; and even if there was, there's no way to detect such "malicious" behavior.

Owning an NFT provides no tangible benefits.

Nearly every quality of a baseball card you just mentioned can be recreated digitally, and applies to the fundamental properties of cryptocurrency.

- nobody can take your NFT if you are the only one who holds the private key for the address at which it is stored, and you are the only one who can move it (other people can still view it; dunno how you "play" with sportscards)

- NFT metadata can be permanently locked so it can't be altered, and there are certainly ways to figure out if it is still editable.

- perhaps most importantly, nobody can alter or forge the blockchain transactions of an NFT as they apply to its mint date and ownership history.

There's a multi-hundred-million dollar industry that revolves around crypto collectibles. People value them regardless of whether or not they provide "tangible benefits."

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Quote from: nutildah on August 01, 2022, 11:11:47 AM

You understand that old sports cards have value, right?

Flawed comparison.

Old sport cards have a physical beingness, oppose to digital images of old sport cards. Nobody can take my baseball card, view it, change it, touch it, play with it etc, without my permission. On the other hand, the person who sold me the NFT, and every other person who does have the image/video, can and have every right to do those things, because there's no law that forbids it; and even if there was, there's no way to detect such "malicious" behavior.

Owning an NFT provides no tangible benefits.

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I really think we also need a subforum for NFT. I saw a rug pull nft thread in the bitcoin marketplace section where it shouldn't be because it is using the BNB chain.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60678728

Also i am planning to make an nft in the forum but I don't know know where to create the thread in the right section.

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@Rikafip. I would argue for reorganization and properly cleaned. There is much development to talk about concerning altcoins, Defi and how they are presently being merged with NFTs. Also, why can we not make bitcointalk.org's altcoin subforums be one of the best sources of information for the investors and the cryptospace community?

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Quote from: dkbit98 on August 02, 2022, 01:51:26 PM

Yeah but our intention was to clear to make some order in our local forum, making it better and cleaner.

Those asking for NFT subforum probably have the same intention. Anyway, my point was that people shouldn't stop asking for new subforums/features/merit source positions as sometimes those requests are approved.

Quote from: dkbit98 on August 02, 2022, 01:51:26 PM

With NFT board I would expect mostly spammers posting their new ''art'' projects.

Probably, if that subforum gets moderated the way rest of the altcoin section is. Imho, altcoin section should either be completely closed or properly cleaned and reorganized because at the current state it doesn't serve any purpose. As I said in my previous post, I do think that bitcointalk is missing opportunity to attract those who are more into altcoins and turn them into bitcoiners.

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Quote from: Little Mouse on July 31, 2022, 09:39:21 PM

There were many more discussion for this but I have never seen a reply from theymos, I can't remember. I think he isn't interested.

The forum is centralized we all understand this, But when it comes to matters like this, i think that the forum users choice should be the top priority to Theymos, since without the users of the forum, there is actually no forum.

I am also in support of implementing an NFT subforum, many of us, including myself might not be really interest in NFTs, but this does not change the fact that NFTs have become a hot topic of discussion in the crypto currency space, creating NFT subforum on Bitcointalk will not only give the forum more exposure out there, it will also enlarge the forum in terms of users and things to be discussed.

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Quote from: mk4 on August 02, 2022, 12:58:17 AM

Quote from: avp2306 on August 02, 2022, 12:11:30 AM

Is it really needed? as @Charles-Tim said it is also a crypto so this belong on altcoin section. And Its not ideal to add sub section because its famous right now since for sure the same on other category which became famous NFT fame will fade out, then the section will be dead if no people will talk about NFT anymore so its useless section to be added.

Let's be honest here — that might definitely be the case, but let's not describe it as if merely adding a subforum will take like a hundred development hours to do. Assuming Theymos doesn't literally manually code everything, adding(and removing) a subforum will literally only take less than 5 minutes to do.

Yes, anyone who's ever worked with an SMF forum can tell you that it literally takes 2 minutes to add a subforum. That's if you've never done it before and read through all the information while you're doing it.

Every time someone posts this thread (which is a lot) it always boils down to 2 things. 1) Bitcoin is for hodling and things like NFTs offend Bitcoin only users because it shows that people actually want to use crypto, and that offends maximalists. 2) We already have a subform for altcoin tokens, which is literally what NFTs are. Don't think we don't have an NFT section just because it's called the Tokens (Altcoins) subforum. What you're really asking is for theymos to rename this section to Non-Fungible Tokens (Altcoins), which is unnecessary given that we don't need a specific section for fungible tokens.

TL;DR - We already have an NFT section.

Tokens (Altcoins)

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on July 31, 2022, 09:28:46 PM

Using that as an argument, bitcointalk.org has welcomed altcoins and created subforums for them for everyone to discuss, speculate and for people to help each other. Can the forum also welcome NFTs and also create subforums for NFT discussion, speculation and information sharing?

No.
We are not going to create new subforums each time when some new ICO-like thing comes up, now it's NFT and tomorrow it's going to be something else.
One more thing I never liked NFT is because they are built on top of other shitcoins, so that makes them even worse and almost unusable with high fees.
I wonder whats next thing going to be in crypto, trip to Mars or ticket to virtual meta prison, etc...

Quote from: Rikafip on August 02, 2022, 12:48:30 AM

Year and a half ago we (Croatian local board) got a new child board after creating request topic here in meta so its not like nothing can be done or that people shouldn't ask for features or new local boards.

Yeah but our intention was to clear to make some order in our local forum, making it better and cleaner.
With NFT board I would expect mostly spammers posting their new ''art'' projects.

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Quote from: Rikafip on August 02, 2022, 12:48:30 AM

Quote from: KingsDen on August 01, 2022, 06:38:38 PM

I have read people suggesting features to be added, requesting local boards and others requesting to be merit sources. So, of recent has theymos granted any of such kinds of requests or applications. If yes, please comment and provide me links.

Year and a half ago we (Croatian local board) got a new child board after creating request topic here in meta so its not like nothing can be done or that people shouldn't ask for features or new local boards. And same thing regarding the merit sources, as theymos introduced new ones year ago and there will certainly be new merit sources in the future as merit system is constantly adjusted.

Ok. I said so because since I joined this forum(about 1yr and 2 months) and has been seeing suggestions and requests, I haven't seen anyone granted. That made me feel that theymos doesn't want to bother this present software much anymore because a new one might be on the way.

While we wait and make suggestions, I am of the opinion that some of these suggestions should be channelled to the board for the new forum software. By doing so, the board would be busy, and each time a suggestion is made there, it would be a reminder to theymos that we are waiting for it.

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Quote from: KingsDen on August 01, 2022, 06:38:38 PM

I stand to be corrected by anyone if I am wrong, maybe with evidence. I strongly believe and say that theymos is not ready/interested or willing to effect any more changes in this forum, pending the arrival of the new forum software if it's coming.

I have read people suggesting features to be added, requesting local boards and others requesting to be merit sources. So, of recent has theymos granted any of such kinds of requests or applications. If yes, please comment and provide me links.

Not like creating an NFT board, mprep has given the requirement needed before it can be created, if altcoin board is not much more of NFTs, a board will not be considered for it.

About local board, if requirement needed are met, it would be created.

About merit source, maybe theymos still see merit distribution to be sufficient enough and see no need for new merit sources, but some of those that applied and some other people that can do the work would be made merit sources if the merit distribution is declining and as more people are registering on this forum if they are good posters.

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Quote from: nutildah on August 01, 2022, 11:11:47 AM

Quote from: mindrust on August 01, 2022, 06:23:22 AM

NFT’s may never die but may never live neither. Take a look at ICO’s. You can’t say they are dead but do they live? You call that living? NFT’s didn’t even have the impact of the ICO’s and now they are even in a worse shale than them.

Nope. NFT’s don’t need their own sub forum. Nobody will visit there anyway. The idea of NFT’s was dumb to begin with and now proven worthless .

I actually could care less about most new NFTs. 99.99% of everything on Ethereum for example. Old NFTs won't die. They are collectors items. You understand that old sports cards have value, right? Same deal with old NFTs. They are scarce, non-fungible, and made when nobody really cared.

To call NFTs "proven worthless" just reflects utter disregard for reality. All you need to do is visit OpenSea to be proven wrong. If people pay money for them, they are not worthless, independent of your personal opinion.

I think many had the wrong idea that anything could be screenshot and claimed and probably resold on the blockchain, rendering the original art useless. It definitely takes some reading to know they work totally differently.

Btw welcome back. It's been a while

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Quote from: avp2306 on August 02, 2022, 12:11:30 AM

Is it really needed? as @Charles-Tim said it is also a crypto so this belong on altcoin section. And Its not ideal to add sub section because its famous right now since for sure the same on other category which became famous NFT fame will fade out, then the section will be dead if no people will talk about NFT anymore so its useless section to be added.

Let's be honest here — that might definitely be the case, but let's not describe it as if merely adding a subforum will take like a hundred development hours to do. Assuming Theymos doesn't literally manually code everything, adding(and removing) a subforum will literally only take less than 5 minutes to do.

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Quote from: KingsDen on August 01, 2022, 06:38:38 PM

I have read people suggesting features to be added, requesting local boards and others requesting to be merit sources. So, of recent has theymos granted any of such kinds of requests or applications. If yes, please comment and provide me links.

Year and a half ago we (Croatian local board) got a new child board after creating request topic here in meta so its not like nothing can be done or that people shouldn't ask for features or new local boards. And same thing regarding the merit sources, as theymos introduced new ones year ago and there will certainly be new merit sources in the future as merit system is constantly adjusted.

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Is it really needed? as @Charles-Tim said it is also a crypto so this belong on altcoin section. And Its not ideal to add sub section because its famous right now since for sure the same on other category which became famous NFT fame will fade out, then the section will be dead if no people will talk about NFT anymore so its useless section to be added.

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Quote from: mk4 on August 01, 2022, 05:05:27 AM

Demand(and demand that's currently on a downtrend) probably isn't that big to have it's on subforum.

I'm definitely not against it though — the altcoin subforums are already messy to start with; and an NFT subforum might help tidy that section a bit. It's not like Bitcointalk has anything to lose by adding a subforum.

Agreed and it might also bring more people in the forum. New people will certainly also bring new ideas, new knowledge and new opporunities. If it helps for the growth of our community in bitcointalk.org, we should try it. It also appears that much of us might be underestimating NFTs for the adoption of the cryptospace, however, in 4 years the rate of growth for NFTs might be faster than bitcoin's rate of growth. NFT trading might become the no.1 form of introduction to the cryptospace for new users.

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I stand to be corrected by anyone if I am wrong, maybe with evidence. I strongly believe and say that theymos is not ready/interested or willing to effect any more changes in this forum, pending the arrival of the new forum software if it's coming.
I have read people suggesting features to be added, requesting local boards and others requesting to be merit sources. So, of recent has theymos granted any of such kinds of requests or applications. If yes, please comment and provide me links.

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Quote from: nutildah on July 31, 2022, 10:23:43 PM

NFTs are probably responsible for drawing a bigger crowd into crypto than any other single factor (aside from pure speculation, I assume).

I think that this forum would benefit from sorting out the altcoin section instead just leaving it in a mess that currently is. Whether we like it or not, new crypto users mainly invest in altcoins (NFT included) before they start looking at bitcoin (usually after getting rekt) and by getting them here there is a good chance that instead of wasting their time and money on shitcoins, they start using bitcoin instead.

Quote from: mindrust on August 01, 2022, 06:23:22 AM

The idea of NFT’s was dumb to begin with and now proven worthless .

Just because NFT market is currently dominated by overpriced JPEGs doesn't mean that they are worthless or useless as they can be so much more.

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Quote from: mindrust on August 01, 2022, 06:23:22 AM

NFT’s may never die but may never live neither. Take a look at ICO’s. You can’t say they are dead but do they live? You call that living? NFT’s didn’t even have the impact of the ICO’s and now they are even in a worse shale than them.

Nope. NFT’s don’t need their own sub forum. Nobody will visit there anyway. The idea of NFT’s was dumb to begin with and now proven worthless .

I actually could care less about most new NFTs. 99.99% of everything on Ethereum for example. Old NFTs won't die. They are collectors items. You understand that old sports cards have value, right? Same deal with old NFTs. They are scarce, non-fungible, and made when nobody really cared.

To call NFTs "proven worthless" just reflects utter disregard for reality. All you need to do is visit OpenSea to be proven wrong. If people pay money for them, they are not worthless, independent of your personal opinion.

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I honestly don't care about the NFT, but owning or speculating forum usernames would be cool. I definitely would like to see such names as LoyceV, Lauda in my collection. I could also accept the username GazetaBitcoin into my collection (if his owner pays me extra).

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