Topic: NFT subforum? (Read 714 times)

Alright well, after reading this (unofficial) official description of what the boards are supposed to be about, I opted to move my thread to Digital Goods.


Bitcoin NFTs aren't altcoin tokens. Please don't move my thread back there -- its clearly the wrong section for it.

Just caught up on this thread, thanks for everyone's input.

If you believe bitcoin is here to stay, then you believe in the security and immutability of the bitcoin blockchain.
If that is the case, then you have to believe that artists will fuck around on the bitcoin blockchain and produce their art and leave their mark on it.

Among those artists are the new masters, making bitcoin NFTs, particularly historical bitcoin NFTs, highly collectible.

Yes, this stuff isn't going away.

Phil, wow, I don't know what to say, other than I hope those who read your post can actually learn something from your words, and realize the wisdom you are trying to imbue comes from a place of experience and selflessness.

There's no way I can follow that  

But you would probably like to know that this kind of spirit has been around in the forum for a long time, though it has come and gone through the years.

Nili Lerner, a German artist who used Counterparty to launch a series of "art coins" in 2014 (before NFTs was a term), was heavily ridiculed back in the day, and is now being hailed as a visionary, as what they were doing proved to be years ahead of their time.

This was their response to one of their early critics. I found it fitting in the context of your words.


https://www.vinniejinn.com/post/nili-lerner-nft-artists-are-shaping-a-new-reality-of-the-financial-world

This stuff isn't going away.

Quite the opposite: it will form the bedrock of digital identity in the upcoming era of blockchain-driven technology.

Two words bro

"Andy Warhol"


Why not look at his portflio and try to understand that nutildah is on the side of innovation just as Andy Warhol was.

Many years again Andy's  Campbell soup collection came out I was young and saw some of it in person at the

https://www.guggenheim.org

my small mind thought what a fucking con.
much like my small mind thought about the iPad when it first came out.

Well Andy's Campbell soup collection is certainly the first attempt at NFT art that became super successful.

go back and read how people hated and mocked Andy's work.

my self included.

The reality is Andy realized how absurd all of this world is for all of us and he had some fucking fun with it.

I will continue to push the 'have some fucking fun idea' even though in the case off my life:

 I lost my kids
 I have life long asthma
 I have had  a 27 year bout with mental illness and had to take anti psychotic meds>>> GOT BETTER OFF THOSE MEDS
even though at one time my pharmacist accidentally switched my meds with a viagra 90 day script. I  ran around with hard-on after hard-on after hard-on.
even though that 90 day script of viagra caused me double cataracts due to less blood flow to my eyes.
After the cataract surgery happened which repaired my eyes.
I realized no more phycosis. So no more meds.
I then developed diabetes. discovered it in 2018

I got covid 2 times dec 2019 oct 2021 and because of it developed peyronie's disease in 2020
my Johnson was bent into the shape of a fucking U
after 2 years of bending straight it is more like a (

even with all of that
I still like to look at the fun part of life and not be a stick in the mud.

The problem with bitcointalk is many many many people here are simply up tight and do not see how absurd life is.
all the shit I just wrote about myself is true and fairly ridiculous.
Which is why you need to look at life from that viewpoint have some fun.

Do not be a Will Smith and go about slapping people making jokes.

Chris Rock had the idea for a great reboot movie of GI Jane.

Get Jada Pinka, her daughter Williow  and toss in the white chick Demi Moore


In fact if they all had some common sense they could still do the movie use the ones above have Will Smith and Chris Rock in it .  Make the Wayan brother produce it and it could be funny as shit.

but no the world is in the whoa is me life sucks mode.

rant done.


note:
did a bit of typo edits

Now replace the word "NFT" with "Bitcoin" and congrats, you sound like every fervent no-coiner, ever. You sound exactly like Jorge Stolfi, Amy Castor or Charlie Munger, as your take on NFTs is zero percent different than theirs is on Bitcoin.


I know you somehow believe that ignorance is virtuous -- its not. All you're actually doing is sticking your fingers in your ears, closing your eyes, and saying "no no no no no I can't hear you." You're hoping if enough people here do the same you will feel vindicated in your quest to not have to understand what makes NFTs valuable.

Smallpox was once a huge part of the culture, globally, until it was eradicated and now is only talked about as a part of history.

To a much smaller extent, there were Beanie Babies, tulips, and any number of things that had their moment of fame but didn't last as things of value.  NFTs perplex me and challenge my assumptions about the rationality of people in cryptocurrency these days, and my only hope is that all of these bottom-feeding morons on Youtube who extol the wisdom of buying them suffer enormous economic loss.  Yes, I'm hoping some people suffer financially.  Sue me for having a hardened heart.

Please excuse me for my own, but I won't guarantee that there won't be a torrent of more negativity towards idiocy coming from me if threads like this keep popping up.

Seems to me it should qualify but there is so much negativity on this website it is sad to read.

I actually promoted you and signed up for your signature campaign because I am pro doge and this shitcoin nft idea of yours could act to promote both doge and btc.

Yet after reading the thread I see negative negative negative.

My thoughts on doge are that the endless regulated coin amount could be helpful to keep the coin alive for decades to come.

I think your idea of wrapping doge,btc,nft has some value.

Maybe bitcointalk could see fit to allow your idea.

@OgNasty
@hilariousandco

Yo why you guys do me dirty.

My thread has nothing to do with Altcoin Tokens. Please think about it.

This event makes it obvious why we need an NFT board. It could attract a new breed of users and breathe fresh life into an otherwise musty museum.

In the meantime, any good reason why I shouldn't move this thread to Collectibles? After all, this is what I'm trying to create: a unique, forum-specific collectable that is made using Bitcoin, purchasable with Bitcoin.

Speak now or forever hold your piece...

Here's the problem with this:

Not all NFTs are on altcoin blockchains.

Arguably, some of the best NFTs are on Bitcoin. So relegating their discussion to Altcoin Announcements -> Tokens doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

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I'd like to know where this thread should be, and I won't accept Tokens (Altcoins) as an answer, because they are in no way "altcoin tokens":

Forum NFTs - immortalize your profile on the BTC blockchain

I initially posted it in Goods, which I thought was reasonable, but then it was moved to Tokens. What I'm really trying to create are collectibles, though I understand that sub-board is mostly physical items.

These are Bitcoin goods, for sale for BTC. They are unique items -- nobody here has done anything like this before, except for maybe theymos (the main difference is my NFTs are real). They are not altcoins. So what's the best place for this topic?

I agree and you are fully right , they all run on a tokens blockchain.
The next issue i guess we will see even when we should get a NFT Subforum (what i think we dont get) is that the most dosnt post there Topics there.
Because the Token board is already for long time here now and most of the Topics gets done in the Altcoins Board , dont know why but its possible that a few Topicstarter cant read "Token".

Try to read and get informed about them but they are technically tokens and when know token don't not have their own blockchain and have to rely on another blockchain like Ethereum or the likes of solana.

I don't know why this topic keeps pooping up but NFTs are tokens and we already have a tokens board. I wonder why people think NFTs are any special from SHIB or BABY DOGE 

As has already been pointed out on this thread, there is an NFT section.  It's just that nobody cares to dig through the shitcoins sections to find it.  I even made a post about an NFT collection today.  You can't make people care though.  If a free NFT project from Mila Kunis and Seth Green can't get a response here, you have to wonder if there's really demand to learn about NFTs or if people just want another outlet to try and sell you stuff they made for free.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nft-gimmicks-weekly-cartoon-series-5393118

I wasnt aware that this was discussed before on the forum!

Anyway, yes I would be in favour of a child board of the Goods board just like the
Collectibles Child board. The two boards would be interlinked, many physical
items are loaded with NFT's.

@sweeteye created a thread recently about this topic in the Collectibles board >
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60825838


From the thread its clear that there is a massive community of makers and collectors
of NFT's out there and while the space may be in decline I would guess its finding its realistic level
while speculation levels out and
the real collectors stay.

Just my 2 sats

Someday you will argue to make a sub-forum for Defi and MetaVerse also  

This is indeed not a good idea as all of this stuff can be covered within the altcoin section and there is no need to create sub-forums for every category of altcoins. Also, we should not forget that this is first a bitcoin forum and altcoin is just a section in this forum.

I acknowledge that the market sees value. Granted. I'm just questioning its usefulness.

Feels like we're going in circles now as you continue to insist the token isn't the product.


Just as with the price of bitcoin, it doesn't matter what you or I see its value as so much as what the market sees it as.

I tried to help you get a glimpse of where this comes from, that's about all I can do.

So, is it like a ticket? Like saying "I, nutildah, give the number 1,000 to Bob". Can Bob redeem it somehow? For example, in a store? This can have a utility, although it can work centrally more efficiently.

Data that is stored in the blockchain can't be changed (although it can be edited locally). That wasn't my point. My point was: It doesn't hold water to buy the proof that you own something, when that something is publicly accessible and can be utilized without your permission.

This sounds like just an OP_RETURN message.

They require no license to exist, because they're not liabilities, opposed to NFTs that work as contracts. No one can utilize my bitcoin without my private key, but everyone can utilize the image whose rights I'm supposedly and community-exclusively selling, without any private key.

It doesn't matter if it's internal or external. Everyone can access it and enjoy the benefits of utilizing the image without owning the token. Sorry, but I can't see the value you do. Maybe I'm wrong.

In addition to selling plenty of image tokens, I've sold thousands of tokens without an image at all -- simply based on the name of the token and its mint date, which cannot be changed. That's because the token is the product.

You're simply incorrect in continuing to insist that "the data can normally change" for all NFTs. For some, yes. There's an entire blockchain whose NFT-associated data is stored in IPFS -- these entries are immutable and cannot be changed. Separately, once an image hash is created, it can and will only correspond with the particular image from which it was created. Transferring ownership of a token's metadata to a burn address assures that metadata cannot be changed, and again, this is different than transferring the token itself.

The private key is what you need to move the NFT. There is no private key for a baseball card, just there is no private key for a dollar bill. The analogy is more like minting a counterfeit Bored Ape. If you know what to look for it's easy to tell its a counterfeit, but you can still try to sell it, and nobody can stop you (without the involvement of some kind of authorities).

I don't even know what an "unlicensed identifier" means... All bitcoins in existence are "unlicensed." They just are. They require no license to exist.

Please read before responding:

https://jpjanssen.com/8-reasons-olga-is-worth-%E2%82%BF88/

It's a token that does not point at an external image file, and nothing about its inherent properties that make it valuable to collectors can be altered. Now, he might not get 88 BTC for it, but it is nevertheless worth big bucks as a highly-desirable crypto collectible, independent of your personal opinion of its value.



https://fullycrypto.com/hal-finney-1993-email-foresaw-nfts

The NFT is the product's fingerprint. There's no product saved in the blockchain, nor the bytes that represent it. It's just a hash of it; a unique number that works as the identifier.

If you transfer ownership to a burn address, it'll essentially mean you're "burning" the rights. The data (which is the image) can normally change, whether you "officially possess" its hash or not.

Being counterfeited is irrelevant. You can have your private keys counterfeited by the same reasoning.

No, they're not. A bitcoin isn't an unlicensed identifier of an asset. It's itself an asset.

The NFT is the product.

If I transfer ownership of the metadata to a burn address (which can be done independent of sending the corresponding NFT to a burn address), that data cannot be altered. You can also make counterfeit baseball cards and sell those without permission.

You want to control the definition of what "tangible benefits" entail, and I'm not about to bother arguing with you about that. Your arguments against NFTs are the same ones that no-coiners have been making against bitcoin for years.